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Sickening posted:Again, I find that really hard to believe. A person where ADSM is too hard but Meraki just right, probably shouldn't be managing anything IT. I don't call that cost savings, I call that being reckless. We've got customers that literally straddle this divide between "comfortable with Meraki but not Cisco." You can argue that maybe they should try harder or whatever, but they exist, and they're the market for Meraki. And that aside there are certain benefits from a management perspective to having a single pane of glass view of your entire network vs managing things on a device by device basis like you do with Cisco. Especially for someone who isn't very network savvy. wolrah posted:I'd be willing to agree with either. The "IT person" is the owner's son who's kind of tech savvy. It's more akin to a lease, and plenty of companies lease IT gear. We have customers who lease storage. They also understand how their purchase cycles work so they're never in danger of having their storage ripped out from under them because their lease was up. If you're on a sane purchase cycle you're refreshing hardware every 3-5 years and it doesn't matter if your device bricks in five years because you're replacing it at 4 1/2. If you're on an unpredictable purchase cycle and tend to cheap out and run unsupported equipment then it's probably not for you. Is your argument that running your critical network equipment without support is a good idea and something you should plan for when buying hardware? YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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wolrah posted:Right, but offering an automatic cloud management service is not the same as making it mandatory. I 100% see the value in a cloud management service for almost any business with multiple sites. I work for a hosted VoIP company, we're basically doing the same thing with phones. We have the same capabilities as well, you can buy a Polycom or Yealink phone off the shelf anywhere on the planet right now, tell me the MAC address, and then plug it in to the internet and it'll automatically find its way to my provisioning server to pick up a config. Funny you mention Yealink, I bought two used phones and they got reset time after time to the POs settings and still worked with the remote PBX, letting me make international calls. Yealink was nice enough to disable it for me. CrazyLittle posted:It's an 8 port switch. How deep are you really going to get into the feature set on a device that's sole purpose is to makeup for poor cabling decisions? I think TDR and such features are neat. I wouldn't pay the huge premium, but they are cool features to have.
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CrazyLittle posted:It's an 8 port switch. How deep are you really going to get into the feature set on a device that's sole purpose is to makeup for poor cabling decisions? I use an 8 port switch at home because I don't need more than 8 ports, what are you talking about?
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Apr 11, 2017 20:48
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Eletriarnation posted:I use an 8 port switch at home because I don't need more than 8 ports, what are you talking about?
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anthonypants posted:They are most likely talking about "Working in IT", which, incidentally, is the first three words in the title of the thread you are reading. Yeah, I thought about that but the guy was specifically attending a webinar for a free switch which implies that maybe he would be using it for personal use. I mean, he didn't say that his boss was making him attend a webinar...
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SEKCobra posted:Funny you mention Yealink, I bought two used phones and they got reset time after time to the POs settings and still worked with the remote PBX, letting me make international calls. Yealink was nice enough to disable it for me. Eletriarnation posted:I use an 8 port switch at home because I don't need more than 8 ports, what are you talking about? The vast majority of 8 port switches I've seen in the wild are used to add more ports to the drop where they only bothered pulling one cable. The vast majority of home users have no use for a hardware-as-a-service ethernet switch that stops working when the subscription runs out.
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Eletriarnation posted:Yeah, I thought about that but the guy was specifically attending a webinar for a free switch which implies that maybe he would be using it for personal use. I mean, he didn't say that his boss was making him attend a webinar... Meraki is pretty clear that the units they're giving you are an evaluation so that you can decide if you want to purchase more hardware for your work. Which is also why the evaluation is limited to one eval per company, and not per "home." HOWEVER they're quite flexible about sending you whatever gear you want to evaluate (48 port switches, full-feature security appliances, phones etc) for a month-long trial if you ask nicely and get a good sales rep.
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^ OK, sure, but nothing stops you from attending for your company and taking the switch if no one else at the company cares.CrazyLittle posted:The vast majority of home users have no use for a hardware-as-a-service ethernet switch that stops working when the subscription runs out. The vast majority of home users don't attend free webinars specifically to get hardware-as-a-service ethernet switches that stop working when the subscription runs out either, so if someone does I assume that maybe they have a use for it or just want to play around with a new gadget? 
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Eletriarnation posted:^ OK, sure, but nothing stops you from attending for your company and taking the switch if no one else at the company cares. It's a $500 switch with 8 ethernet ports.
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Eletriarnation posted:The vast majority of home users don't attend free webinars specifically to get hardware-as-a-service ethernet switches that stop working when the subscription runs out either, so if someone does I assume that maybe they have a use for it or just want to play around with a new gadget?
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CrazyLittle posted:Meraki is pretty clear that the units they're giving you are an evaluation so that you can decide if you want to purchase more hardware for your work. Which is also why the evaluation is limited to one eval per company, and not per "home." Meraki is extremely clear about the free devices being yours to keep, no strings attached, owned by you. They also offer the free eval of any equipment to everyone, it's even on their website. Nothing to do with reps.
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CrazyLittle posted:It's a $500 switch with 8 ethernet ports. anthonypants posted:At this point are you still upset that you thought you heard someone making fun of your 8-port switch at home or what Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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Eletriarnation posted:The vast majority of home users don't attend free webinars specifically to get hardware-as-a-service ethernet switches that stop working when the subscription runs out either, so if someone does I assume that maybe they have a use for it or just want to play around with a new gadget? Playing with random new gadgets is why I got into IT to begin with!
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I use 8 port 2960c switches as my internet side switch to connect external poo poo to HA firewall pairs pretty often v v
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CrazyLittle posted:It's a $500 switch with 8 ethernet ports. It's a free 8 port switch actually.
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I don't know the model number, but I wouldn't be surprised if the company I worked at that used Meraki used 8 port switches, since a lot of the stores had maybe 6 computers. Or does Meraki make 8 port routers? Even if they do, we probably used both since our network admin was self-taught and arrogant. Meraki is really handy in cases like having a remote site with really limited speeds available. That way Tier 1 (like I was) could look at usage statistics and tell the sites "Stop streaming Netflix/ESPN/Redtube on your 1.5mbps connection" when they complain the remote desktop apps are unresponsive.
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22 Eargesplitten posted:I don't know the model number, but I wouldn't be surprised if the company I worked at that used Meraki used 8 port switches, since a lot of the stores had maybe 6 computers. Or does Meraki make 8 port routers? Even if they do, we probably used both since our network admin was self-taught and arrogant. Meraki MX64 or MX65 are their small office edge routers. They have W versions as well if you don't need separate AP's for your wireless. I'm a huge huge fan of the Meraki Z1. Register them on my dashboard, apply a template, ship them to a remote worker. They get plugged in, auto configure, auto vpn, and I don't have to worry about a thing.
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big money big clit posted:It's more akin to a lease, and plenty of companies lease IT gear. We have customers who lease storage. They also understand how their purchase cycles work so they're never in danger of having their storage ripped out from under them because their lease was up. It's just like buying, except when you're done with it you can't let someone in IT take it home to use on their network where a switch having old software really isn't a meaningful concern. Unless these things are a lot cheaper than equivalent standalone hardware which I don't believe is the case I still don't get it. quote:Is your argument that running your critical network equipment without support is a good idea and something you should plan for when buying hardware? wolrah fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Apr 11, 2017 |
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big money big clit posted:It's a free 8 port switch actually. Only the first hit's free. That's how dealers get ya
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If you have a free meraki AP at home that you don't want to pay for after 3 years, cucumber tony is pretty nice.
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wolrah posted:It's just like buying, except when you're done with it you can't let someone in IT take it home to use on their network where a switch having old software really isn't a meaningful concern. Why would a company care about this as a factor in its purchasing decision? And even if the switch didn't brick without a license you still wouldn't be able to send it home with an employee because they wouldn't be able to configure it without dashboard access, so your argument here isn't even about the licensing restrictions, it's about the entire cloud configuration model. Of course, interested staff can get their own Meraki hardware for free by doing a webinar... quote:Of course not. I just recommend and buy my hardware from vendors who value security over profits and release their security updates publicly rather than attaching them to support contracts. Once it's no longer receiving updates it gets removed from anywhere that has a straightforward path to the general internet or any other public networks. Generally that means replacement and giveaway to interested staff as mentioned above, but in the occasional case that it's something irreplaceable like expensive industrial machinery we firewall it off on a private VLAN with a deny all by default rule and only allow access to the bare minimum number of things it needs to function. Well, Meraki switches stop working without a license, so there's certainly no concern over running old out of dates ones out of support, so by this metric they're pretty secure yea? This post sort of got away from you because I don't see what it has to do with Meraki. The bottom line is that Meraki is selling hardware like its software because the hardware is commodity and the software (both switch and cloud) is the IP and it's ultimately where the value is. If you hate the model that's fine, but that's not a valid reason for companies not to use it.
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You know it's going to be one of Those days when the first words I say out loud on the first call of the day are "oh for god's sake take a day off with your self righteous bullshit" Got a guy who is absolutely the walking dead sick and sounds like a wreck on a call, and he's like, well I didn't want to fall behind on work. Oh boo hoo, no one thinks you're a superhero, take a day off you silly tit. At least he's not IN the office so I don't have to forcibly eject him before he infects everyone else.
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We have 22 remote locations - I was curious what anyone is using as a backup access solution, like cellular or?
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I'm advising a company that uses 4G failover at their sites to look at different redundancy options because the rates are insane. Works pretty well, but your bills will be quite high if it's used for any significant period of time.
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kensei posted:We have 22 remote locations - I was curious what anyone is using as a backup access solution, like cellular or?
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anthonypants posted:I thought you had an MPLS between these sites? We do, they also want to investigate another option as extra redundancy.
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kensei posted:We do, they also want to investigate another option as extra redundancy.
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The real question is what's your budget? How much bandwidth do those offices use? Could you use broadband from another carrier? That's essentially what I'm advising with the Cradlepoint/4G setup I'm around now. The first Cradlepoints were installed and could only handle a single VLAN, and before they signed off on upgrading I said why don't we look at 4G costs. One day for one site for this company could run as high as $15k. If you can afford it it's actually pretty cool. The folks I'm working with now cannot haha
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anthonypants posted:Do they know that's going to cost money? Yes milk milk lemonade posted:The real question is what's your budget? How much bandwidth do those offices use? Could you use broadband from another carrier? That's essentially what I'm advising with the Cradlepoint/4G setup I'm around now. The first Cradlepoints were installed and could only handle a single VLAN, and before they signed off on upgrading I said why don't we look at 4G costs. One day for one site for this company could run as high as $15k. We had a site (one of two that do not have MPLS) that was down for most of Friday due to an after hours Thursday night unplanned switch maintenance (not by me). They lost literally Thousands of Dollars, so as long as that is fresh in their minds, cost is secondary.
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kensei posted:We have 22 remote locations - I was curious what anyone is using as a backup access solution, like cellular or? We only have redundancy at our head office which uses fiber but will failover to radio. All (remote, rural) branch offices are radio.
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kensei posted:Yes Then go check this out: https://cradlepoint.com/products/arc-cba850 and call whoever can offer 4G/LTE/whatever and get pricing. (Please note I have no idea if there are better failover options out there and I once saw one of these revert to factory settings in a datacenter and start handing out DHCP addresses across 18 sites  )
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If you have MPLS, why not use something like Comcast or a cable connection as backup? It will be a lot cheaper and more reliable in a failover than a cell modem.
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Internet Explorer posted:If you have MPLS, why not use something like Comcast or a cable connection as backup? It will be a lot cheaper and more reliable in a failover than a cell modem. Some of our sites do have that as their Internet Circuit. This is a knee jerk reaction to last week's event and I fully expect that I will spend hours on this to have someone veto it.
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DMVPN over internet works fine. That's what we have as a backup.
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GreenNight posted:DMVPN over internet works fine. That's what we have as a backup.
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milk milk lemonade posted:Then go check this out: https://cradlepoint.com/products/arc-cba850 and call whoever can offer 4G/LTE/whatever and get pricing. Thanks for this 
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Is AirWatch any good? I'm ordering some laptops (Macs) for the office and I need a MDM and don't want to host my own.
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Matt Zerella posted:Is AirWatch any good? Honestly... it's terrible. But it's about as good as everything else we've tried to use. We've been trying to figure out how to get this poo poo to actually work for about a year now. I'm still not sure if remote wipe actually works. I've done it, but it's failed more times than succeeded. App management is absolutely not present. We're jumping through hoops right now to get But I digress, this is really all phone-related.
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