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Pissflaps posted:You've said the UK will get an immediate 50% reduction in the amount of cash owed and agreed that there will be compromise. You've not disagreed with anything I said. If you weren't so commited to your 800 posts/day routine, you might actually be able to take the time to understand what you're replying to quote:Give the boring whitenoise personal attacks a rest for a while mate - there's an election on. no
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spectralent posted:If: Well, there is that slight media issue of 75% misrepresentation of Corbyn and twice as much airtime given to his critics on the BBC... https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...s-a7144381.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-media-bias-labour-party-media-reform-coalition-birkbeck-a7163706.html
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OwlFancier posted:How would we manage without professional dole hasslers in every jobcenter. Please rise, for our new national anthem... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BvUGiG893U (this is actually a real thing that exists unironically)
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TheRat posted:Whats happening?? In reality, the withdrawal agreement will just be a sheet of A4 with "gently caress the poors" in size 72, and Corbyn will um and ah for a minute before instituting a three-line whip on the Bill (with himself and Abbott suffering migraines as soon as the division bell rings).
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TinTower posted:In reality, the withdrawal agreement will just be a sheet of A4 with "gently caress the poors" in size 72, and Corbyn will um and ah for a minute before instituting a three-line whip on the Bill (with himself and Abbott suffering migraines as soon as the division bell rings). What reason will the libdems give to vote for it? After spending the entire election swearing to block it, I mean.
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OwlFancier posted:It's a pretty piss poor defence in that it still allows the incumbent government to pick the most favorable time for them. the notion of a "most favourable time" that is intrinsically illegitimate begs the question. What's the underlying Platonic ideal of public support being proposed here? the incumbent majority can do many things. it can pass and repeal laws, it can make and unmake ministries, it can appoint governments amongst themselves. All of these impact favourability. What makes the timing of the GE within the five years so special?
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Carecat posted:Well, there is that slight media issue of 75% misrepresentation of Corbyn and twice as much airtime given to his critics on the BBC... Yeah, but the leaders debates are just shown directly. Unless they do a real editing hackjob on them I guess. I think a leader's debate is one of the small amounts of things that would go well for Corbyn in the election, since he's generally good at being forceful and rhetorically strong in debate, probably because he's not got a script to ignore and can react to stuff as it comes (though there is the small issue that he appears to also ignore his factsheet. It generally doesn't seem to show, though).
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TheRat posted:What reason will the libdems give to vote for it? After spending the entire election swearing to block it, I mean. The Lib Dems voted against Article 50, friend.
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nothing to seehere posted:Oh no, are we going to have bring a bunch of services back into the public sector instead of outsourcing them? What a shame. The police? Some kind of new British govt. security service? Local security firms which are "rough and ready" to say the least?
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TinTower posted:The Lib Dems voted against Article 50, friend.
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ronya posted:the notion of a "most favourable time" that is intrinsically illegitimate begs the question You're familiar with the concept of a khaki election, which is to say calling one at the time the government does a particularly popular thing which overshadows its performance otherwise? It would be like having inspections at work except you get to say when you would like it to happen and given five years leeway. Mandatory timings are not ideal either but they're substantially better than just "call an election whenever you like, especially if you don't like the result of the last one"
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Oberleutnant posted:He was probably talking about the other times they lied. Actually I was asking about the future, but this works too.
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Ewan posted:I've recently changed my voting address back to my Mum's for various reasons. She's also recently (ish) moved - just realised my local MP is now loving Gove. Hi this thread is moving super fast what with everything being on fire, but if you want to get involved with Labour and do some canvassing in one of the safest Tory seats ever, drop me a PM
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https://twitter.com/capx/status/854364327004057600 Fag-packet calculation gives this a Tory majority of about 150.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:If you weren't so commited to your 800 posts/day routine, you might actually be able to take the time to understand what you're replying t I do understand. I said there'd be more than talk. You said there would be a 50%+ reduction in the UK's cash commitments to the EU. We are in agreement.
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Have some Politico analysis of the snap election and the timings re: Brexit: quote:Theresa May throws Brussels a curveball
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TinTower posted:Seeing as they voted against Article 50 apart from the 25% of MPs who didn't
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Corbs mate, I know you read this thread, just grab this vid and stick it on loop forever, cheers. https://my.mixtape.moe/neqllx.webm
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A little more context to these seat forecasts of doom: With UKIPs mission accomplished the awful, no good, terrible British public are returning to apathy or back to Conservatives which will net them even more seats while Labour has only turned off 5% more than the SNP. God knows how the Lib Dems have become even more of a disappointment to their voters since 2015 though.
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namesake posted:A little more context to these seat forecasts of doom: Lmao at that libdem graph
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TinTower posted:In reality, the withdrawal agreement will just be a sheet of A4 with "gently caress the poors" in size 72, and Corbyn will um and ah for a minute before instituting a three-line whip on the Bill (with himself and Abbott suffering migraines as soon as the division bell rings). He'll eventually come to the conclusion that "gently caress the poors" is in fact a proper pro-worker stance because even the Tories agree that the poors do not have jobs otherwise they would not be poor therefore "gently caress the poors" is also the new motto of Labour
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namesake posted:God knows how the Lib Dems have become even more of a disappointment to their voters since 2015 though. Cleggo the Clown waddled off with all their charisma and left a permanently crying haunted puppet to man the wheel. But not man it in a gay way because he thinks the gays are icky.
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FAUXTON posted:He'll eventually come to the conclusion that "gently caress the poors" is in fact a proper pro-worker stance because even the Tories agree that the poors do not have jobs otherwise they would not be poor therefore "gently caress the poors" is also the new motto of Labour This is ridiculous given the one thing that Corbyn does staunchly is refuse to budge from his worldview, popular opinion be damned. Also hilarious that the party who propped up the Tories for five years and wanted another five is the one giving Corbyn poo poo about loving the poor.
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OwlFancier posted:You're familiar with the concept of a khaki election, which is to say calling one at the time the government does a particularly popular thing which overshadows its performance otherwise? But it's not like having inspections at work - the point is to yield a mandate to govern, not obtain a signoff slip. There are no objective standards here save the voter's, and any talk about 'performance' presumes the conclusion. The popularity of a government during a 'khaki election' is not less real than the popularity of a government pursuing any other initiative. The UK left thinks in terms of the khaki metaphor because old grudges die hard, but the argument is no less bullshit when advanced by the right-wing enraged that a left-wing government might do things that are popular in the short-term.
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ronya posted:The UK left thinks in terms of the khaki metaphor because old grudges die hard, but the argument is no less bullshit when advanced by the right-wing enraged that a left-wing government might do things that are popular in the short-term. Being fair the right-wing are enraged whenever a poor person survives a day longer.
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Oberleutnant posted:Do any of the candidates in the upcoming general election promise to make anime real? Anime is real, I can buy it on dvd
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Tesseraction posted:This is ridiculous given the one thing that Corbyn does staunchly is refuse to budge from his worldview, popular opinion be damned. He was (allegedly) campaigning for Remain while Leave leaflets quoted him at length.
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Tesseraction posted:This is ridiculous given the one thing that Corbyn does staunchly is refuse to budge from his worldview, popular opinion be damned.
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Tesseraction posted:This is ridiculous given the one thing that Corbyn does staunchly is refuse to budge from his worldview, popular opinion be damned. It's not a change in worldview, just different langu- gently caress, different languages are taking jobs away from British workers.
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Oberleutnant posted:Do any of the candidates in the upcoming general election promise to make anime real? Mission accomplished.
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ronya posted:But it's not like having inspections at work - the point is to yield a mandate to govern, not obtain a signoff slip. There are no objective standards here save the voter's, and any talk about 'performance' presumes the conclusion. The popularity of a government during a 'khaki election' is not less real than the popularity of a government pursuing any other initiative. A government that can do shite except for one thing at which point it calls an election, is worse than a government that is forced to do well as consistently as possible because it has no control over when there is an election. Ideally I would suggest that elections should be called at random within 3-6 years of the last, with the government having no foreknowledge or control except for a deference veto requiring a two thirds majority in parliament, for times of emergency. What is an election if not a submission to the public to decide your suitability to govern, or continue governing? And what is democracy if not the hope that a collective of voters can decide more reliably what is objectively good for them, than a limited few. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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namesake posted:A little more context to these seat forecasts of doom: Who are 'FTI consulting'?
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jBrereton posted:The Labour party is more important than Corbyn's staunchly held values. Hopefully it can piece itself back together after this election, because we need it. We do, indeed, need an alternative to tory rule. "Tories but friendlier" is not going to be that alternative.
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TinTower posted:He was (allegedly) campaigning for Remain while Leave leaflets quoted him at length. Ah, allegedly. Is this like how any promise a Lib Dem makes shortly becomes alleged?
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For gently caress's sake people, please vote Labour. Lib Dems are not going to stop Brexit, don't be deluded, they're just minoritories. Also, if this future dystopia of extraterritorial megacorps doesn't include Shadowrun cyber-implants and decking into cyberspace I'm going to be so pissed.
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jBrereton posted:What if they're the only providers large enough? There was something in the news recently about outsourcing guard services to private companies at the sub base in faslane, which is pretty terrifying. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/local-news/security-concerns-faslane-after-plans-9990941 E: also my MP is Corbyn with effectively no alternatives knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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