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Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.

PittTheElder posted:

Now I want to see a rescue helicopter deploy out the rear end end of the C-130, deploy the troops to the stricken vessel, then return to the mothership somehow. That seems like something the air force would have attempted at some point.
Not precisely the same, but at least two very similar programs were attempted. One even made it into service, more or less.

The first were US Navy's two Akron-class airships, which each carried five biplane fighters modified to launch from and reattach to a trapeze system. It was a pretty crazy idea, but they built and operated them for a time. Both crashed during storms within two years of commissioning though and that was that. Pretty much every major power experimented with the concept but it never really worked.

During the 60s the Air Force experimented with parasite fighters to protect the B-36. They built a dedicated concept, the XF-85 Goblin, and also looked at mating F-84s to the B-36 but never got it working properly. There was also a drawing board only nuclear powered transport, the Lockheed CL-1201, that they designed an airborne carrier version of, but obviously that project never got off the ground.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Captain Postal posted:

I feel the airforce solution would be to have a B36 dropping a parasite fighter that is also a tail-sitter.

Think of it. All those project offices, flight testing lasting years, systems integration, old airframes, engine after engine after engine needing updating...

Somewhere in the Pentagon, a Marine captain is frantically drafting an RFI for a parasite V-22's mothership. LHD compatible, of course.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


Comrade Gorbash posted:

There was also a drawing board only nuclear powered transport, the Lockheed CL-1201, that they designed an airborne carrier version of, but obviously that project never got off the ground.

I had to look that up.

quote:

Span: 1,120 feet
Gross weight: 11.85 million pounds
Endurance: 41 days
Reactor output: 1830 megawatts
Crew: 845
Tactical fighters carried (AAC variant): 22
Lift engines: 182

:aaaaa:

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

FuturePastNow posted:

I had to look that up.


:aaaaa:

:magical:

Wouldn't that basically be this?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
More like this:



Leave it to Lockheed to think like Lex Luthor.

Mortabis
Jul 8, 2010

I am stupid
Tiltrotors seem tailor made for that sort of mission honestly.

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


BIG HEADLINE posted:

More like this:

Leave it to Lockheed to think like Lex Luthor.







Here's an album with most of them; there were a few more of the more po-faced sales-brochure style ones I omitted for brevity. Apologies for the shadows and odd angles; some of them are posted in stairways and are awkward to shoot.

My favorite, and the one that I was really strongly reminded of by the ad posted upthread:



And a bonus BOMARC:

:allears:

ehnus
Apr 16, 2003

Now you're thinking with portals!

HookedOnChthonics posted:

My favorite, and the one that I was really strongly reminded of by the ad posted upthread:


Must be a loud watch to hear it over the song of four JT3Cs

marumaru
May 20, 2013



FuturePastNow posted:

I had to look that up.


:aaaaa:



:aaa:

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Raiden, take out Solidus and his men, you must recover Arsenal intact!

MRC48B
Apr 2, 2012


I don't understand this image, is the giant flying manta ray getting refueled by the KC10s?

If you're building something that big, it should be powered by ATOMZ

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XcADQzfZ7wU

Real pros take it out by gunduelling the elite, physics-warping Sukhoi squadron it deploys to death with the A-10's cannon and then releasing a fuel-air bomb while flying inverted through the flight deck :hist101:

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.


Why would you use probe and drogue for that? Boom refueling would go a lot quicker. :spergin:

Granted, you'd probably still need a shitton of tankers to refuel that fucker.

Also, is it wrong I recognize this as being from an Ace Combat game?

HookedOnChthonics
Dec 5, 2015

Profoundly dull


New ace combat has a Starfighter get hype :flashfap:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

MRC48B posted:

I don't understand this image, is the giant flying manta ray getting refueled by the KC10s?

If you're building something that big, it should be powered by ATOMZ

The air-carrier might be powered by ~ATOMZ~ but the planes flying out of it won't be - they'd be replenishing the fuel reserves for those.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

MRC48B posted:

I don't understand this image, is the giant flying manta ray getting refueled by the KC10s?


By drogue, which is basically impossible.

EFB

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

HookedOnChthonics posted:

New ace combat has a Starfighter get hype :flashfap:

oh I saw that and was immediately erect.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


HookedOnChthonics posted:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XcADQzfZ7wU

Real pros take it out by gunduelling the elite, physics-warping Sukhoi squadron it deploys to death with the A-10's cannon and then releasing a fuel-air bomb while flying inverted through the flight deck :hist101:

Man I used to love that game. It was either the one in the clip or similar that I first realised that the PS2 controller had analog buttons (not talking the triggers).

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009



Imagine the abandon ship drill on that bad boy. 800 lightly radioactive crew.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

aphid_licker posted:

Imagine the abandon ship drill on that bad boy. 800 lightly radioactive crew.

"Aim for the state everyone cares the least about."

"Setting impact point for Kansas."

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.
If we had to get rid of a state, it should be North Dakota.

I have nothing against the people that live there, but we can’t lose Wyoming because 1) it has Yellowstone and 2) It’s completely surrounded by other states.

I would entertain a case for Vermont. It has less population and area and New Hampshire has better maple syrup anyway.

rscott
Dec 10, 2009
just crash it in a part of nevada the government owns

or kansas, that works too

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Platystemon posted:

If we had to get rid of a state, it should be North Dakota.

I have nothing against the people that live there, but we can’t lose Wyoming because 1) it has Yellowstone and 2) It’s completely surrounded by other states.

I would entertain a case for Vermont. It has less population and area and New Hampshire has better maple syrup anyway.

North Dakota has most of the Bakken Oil Field on the US side of the border.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

Party Plane Jones posted:

North Dakota has most of the Bakken Oil Field on the US side of the border.

Without Question it should be Florida.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

HookedOnChthonics posted:

My favorite, and the one that I was really strongly reminded of by the ad posted upthread:


Were silver dollars an old rich person thing?

On the C-1201, it was just an experiment as what the largest aircraft buildable with current technology could be used for, right?

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Flikken posted:

Without Question it should be Florida.

Florida is the third most populous state and has the second highest amount of tourists in the US.

If we had to drop it somewhere, how about Maine? Ain't nothing ever happening in Maine.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Party Plane Jones posted:

Florida is the third most populous state and has the second highest amount of tourists in the US.

If we had to drop it somewhere, how about Maine? Ain't nothing ever happening in Maine.

Still trying to see a downside with Florida.

Unreal_One
Aug 18, 2010

Now you know how I don't like to use the sit-down gun, but this morning we just don't have time for mucking about.

Do you really want to deal with the combination of radiation granted super powers and Florida Man?

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

Unreal_One posted:

Do you really want to deal with the combination of radiation granted super powers and Florida Man?

Basically sentient bath salts.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



wolrah posted:

Basically sentient bath salts.

text me

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
The Great War channel just uploaded a special video about Bloody April. Where the Royal Flying Corps took a beating in 1917, losing 275 aircraft to 66 over the span of 5 weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfMY1j4wXak

The Locator
Sep 12, 2004

Out here, everything hurts.





Interesting video, thanks for posting it. I really need to read more about WWI, as everything I read about it was when I was much younger, and I'm sure there are a lot of good resources now that didn't exist then.

bennyfactor
Nov 21, 2008

Free World Defender in every box of Rice Krispies!

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
Just watch that channel from the start. The main episodes cover WW1 week by week 100 years later. Then there are special episodes like this focusing on a specific battle or technology or person in more detail.

World War 1 - 1914 (Season 1): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxO1lsrC98VOyOzfW0Gn8Tga

And the 3 episode 'prelude to war' episodes they did before kicking off the main series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f11CKYB2FCA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYrofaDfMKI & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHxq28440c

It is very good and has evolved quite a lot as they've gotten ad revenue/funding. It is nice to popup with two short videos a week I can watch before bed or on the toilet.

drunkill fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Apr 29, 2017

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

drunkill posted:

Just watch that channel from the start. The main episodes cover WW1 week by week 100 years later. Then there are special episodes like this focusing on a specific battle or technology or person in more detail.

World War 1 - 1914 (Season 1): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB2vhKMBjSxO1lsrC98VOyOzfW0Gn8Tga

And the 3 episode 'prelude to war' episodes they did before kicking off the main series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f11CKYB2FCA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYrofaDfMKI & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHxq28440c

It is very good and has evolved quite a lot as they've gotten ad revenue/funding. It is nice to popup with two short videos a week I can watch before bed or on the toilet.

And now I have something new to subscribe to.

Thanks for this

hannibal
Jul 27, 2001

[img-planes]

HookedOnChthonics posted:

And a bonus BOMARC:

:allears:

The fact that there was a Westinghouse Air Arm Division in Baltimore made me curious, looking around I found this interesting page about them and that led me to the National Electronics Museum near BWI that I had no idea existed. In fact the museum was started by people from Westinghouse and supported by the company. (which was bought by Lockheed Martin in 1996) Guess I'll have to make a field trip since I live in MD.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Godholio posted:

By drogue, which is basically impossible.

EFB

What's amusing to me is there's another cutscene in the game where your plane is refueled by a different KC10, and there are separate boom or probe/drogue cutscenes depending on the plane you're flying - so yes, they certainly cared about a deep level of detail 99% of people missed. Presumably it's a deliberate choice, then, though I guess it could've been an animation or rigging problem that meant they went with six drogues.

When you are actually playing the game those six KC10s are green squares on your HUD and obliterated long before visual range for you to even notice how they're fueling it, though :v:

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
I wonder if you could do a reverse probe and drogue setup, where the receiver trails drogues that a tanker can hook into and pump fuel up.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I wonder if you could do a reverse probe and drogue setup, where the receiver trails drogues that a tanker can hook into and pump fuel up.



B-50 Lucky Lady II being refueled by a KB-29, using grappled-line refueling. The receiver would trail a cable, which the tanker would capture and attach the actual fuel hose to, which would be winched back to the receiver, and attached. The tanker would then climb above and slightly aft of abeam the receiver, and pump fuel. Not really what you're talking about, but close enough to mention.

February 26, 1949, Lucky Lady II took off from Carswell AFB in Texas, pointed east, and flew all the way around the world, supported by this type of aerial refueling, and landed at Carswell AFB.

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Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Ok ok bear with me on this.....
Giant nuclear powered mothership, right? Needs a way to refuel non-nuclear aircraft that visit it, right? Now, why send liquid fuel filled tankers to constantly top up the reservoir for the non nuclear swarm that are based on it, or might visit it. You've got a couple of gigawatts of electricity there... You make your airplanes electric powered, you can refuel them with Electrons!! Those aren't fuel lines with drogues, those are power cables! Fast charging isn't limited by cooling, you've got all the cooling you need at altitude!! This could work, people! :shepface:

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