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It's grimly fascinating when you realize just how many British atrocities are acknowledged by historians but completely invisible to the public consciousness. People are sort of vaguely aware of the Irish potato famine but all those Indian famines, right up to the midst of World War II, went right down the memory hole. Sure, you can look them up in a few obscure sources or the occasional book published in the left-wing press, and serious historians don't actually deny that they happened, but the amount of selective forgetfulness is astounding.
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the approximate british consensus is that the empire was maybe a bit rude so don't brag around outsiders but we civilised the savages and they should be grateful
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Helsing posted:It's grimly fascinating when you realize just how many British atrocities are acknowledged by historians but completely invisible to the public consciousness. People are sort of vaguely aware of the Irish potato famine but all those Indian famines, right up to the midst of World War II, went right down the memory hole. Sure, you can look them up in a few obscure sources or the occasional book published in the left-wing press, and serious historians don't actually deny that they happened, but the amount of selective forgetfulness is astounding. WW2 was a big Lysol wipe over Anglo-American history. Though I have to say post-Iraq war a lot of patriotic hawkish types don't even bother with the moral high ground argument anymore.
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Dinesh D'Souza is proudly pro-colonialist and spends a big portion of his weird movie about Obama's Dad arguing that much of Asia was better off under the British Empire (including India, where he is from). I'm sure this isn't terribly uncommon among Anglo neocons, theyre still all about the white man's burden
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tbf to the British colonial administrators, they probably would have let their own poor people starve too
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Fullhouse posted:Dinesh D'Souza is proudly pro-colonialist and spends a big portion of his weird movie about Obama's Dad arguing that much of Asia was better off under the British Empire (including India, where he is from). I'm sure this isn't terribly uncommon among Anglo neocons, theyre still all about the white man's burden This is an established career path in British journalism and academia. The "pro-empire wog" character goes right back to the early Victorian era, D"Souza just plies it on Americans. Plus now we've got the Niall Fergusson "colonialism was wrong, but now that I've got that out of the way let me praise every single thing about it" school too.
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Fullhouse posted:Dinesh D'Souza is proudly pro-colonialist and spends a big portion of his weird movie about Obama's Dad arguing that much of Asia was better off under the British Empire (including India, where he is from). I'm sure this isn't terribly uncommon among Anglo neocons, theyre still all about the white man's burden
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May 3, 2017 04:55
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has corbyn instituded full school lunch communism yet
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Pomp posted:has corbyn instituded full school lunch communism yet not quite, but the good news is that we're all hopelessly hosed for life. i hope that's some consolation?
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Helsing posted:It's grimly fascinating when you realize just how many British atrocities are acknowledged by historians but completely invisible to the public consciousness. People are sort of vaguely aware of the Irish potato famine but all those Indian famines, right up to the midst of World War II, went right down the memory hole. Sure, you can look them up in a few obscure sources or the occasional book published in the left-wing press, and serious historians don't actually deny that they happened, but the amount of selective forgetfulness is astounding. Even the potato famine was taught much more as "this terrible thing that happened" rather than an the logical end result of British colonial policy. The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine.
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May 3, 2017 10:06
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the english are God's blight
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Kurtofan posted:the english are God's blight that's why it's called old blighty
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A cool book on this subject is Britain's Empire: Resistance, Repression and Revolt by Richard Gott (2001), which aims to deconstruct the British version of empire history in which the British where met with only minimal violence and resistance. Here's a quote from a 2001 guardian review, lol how the times have changed: Guardian review posted:
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2011/dec/07/britains-empire-richard-gott-review oliwan has issued a correction as of 12:41 on May 3, 2017 |
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May 3, 2017 12:39
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Maybe it would be much fairer for the average Briton to hold up the everyday everyman who didn't give a poo poo about the colonies, and was being cheerfully robbed at home themselves as their idol, because that's a much more realistic and representative example for most of us than Chin Peng or Ghandi.
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"I'm the Qahtan Muhammad al-Shaabi of trying not to fall behind too far on my gas bill and to get a pay rise in line with or slightly above inflation." "Same."
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oliwan posted:A cool book on this subject is Britain's Empire: Resistance, Repression and Revolt by Richard Gott (2001), which aims to deconstruct the British version of empire history in which the British where met with only minimal violence and resistance. lmao grauniad as gently caress
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there's one thing that gives me solace in these trump filled times, and that's that no matter how bad it is here in the us, it's worse in the uk. schadenfreude sustains me.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:there's one thing that gives me solace in these trump filled times, and that's that no matter how bad it is here in the us, it's worse in the uk. schadenfreude sustains me.
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May 4, 2017 01:27
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The feelings of the British people are about to be hurt
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May 4, 2017 06:54
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someone found the last horcrux
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Mycroft Holmes posted:there's one thing that gives me solace in these trump filled times, and that's that no matter how bad it is here in the us, it's worse in the uk. schadenfreude sustains me. while the nhs still exists this isn't true
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Mycroft Holmes posted:there's one thing that gives me solace in these trump filled times, and that's that no matter how bad it is here in the us, it's worse in the uk. schadenfreude sustains me. Yeah we have the moral high ground since trump only got in on a technicality, the American people were wise and picked Hillary by a big margin, but the brits legit voted for brexit.
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Jose posted:while the nhs still exists this isn't true
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Kurtofan posted:someone found the last horcrux
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get that OUT of my face posted:no harry potter references on star wars day please Theresa May the force be with you
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May 4, 2017 19:49
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Yer a Jedi, Harry
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corbyn wouldn't use a shield smh
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I swear John Harris is one of the few journalists left who actually has real conversations with ordinary people, but yeah, his web series was really good last election and it seems to be hitting the same notes here. As bleak as Britain circa 2017 deserves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SqH7ynY1g
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where is the original interview
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May 5, 2017 00:42
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Everyone except the conservatives gets destroyed at the local elections confirming our descent into a third rate shithole run by an incompetent authoritarian Christian.
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nopantsjack posted:Everyone except the conservatives gets destroyed at the local elections confirming our descent into a third rate shithole run by an incompetent authoritarian Christian. probably because the government have been deliberately making cuts worst at councils they didn't control
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SNP are probably bad because the Scots are just going to keep refusing to leave the UK.
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Nonsense posted:SNP are probably bad because the Scots are just going to keep refusing to leave the UK. Yeah "scotland the brave" is some particularly lovely joke. In shocking news: the arrogant jackass jeremy corbyn has again refused to resign after leading his party to disaster in a major election.
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