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el dingo
Mar 19, 2009


Ogres are like onions
Which keystone do ppl reckon is best on Ashe, the lifesteal or ad stacking one? Been running lifesteal as the speedboost is nice but seems like ad stacks would work well with her Q

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henkman
Oct 8, 2008
Since she usually builds botrk first right now you really don't need the healing from warlord's bloodlust

Magic Rabbit Hat
Nov 4, 2006

Just follow along if you don't wanna get neutered.
Holy poo poo they are putting support Malzahar into the dumpster.

quote:

Voidlings - many stat and interaction changes!
Health changed from 3 to 65+8 per level
201 health at 18
Attack Damage changed from 30/35/40/45/50 (+40% bonus AD) based on W rank to 5 + 3.5 per level - [64.5 at level 18]
Attack Speed changed from .665 + 0% per level to .665 + 2% per level
0.891 at 18
Armor changed from 30 to 16 + 2 per level
50 at 18
Magic Resist changed from 50 to 8 + 1 per level
25 at 18
Gold value lowered from 5 to 2
Movement speed lowered from 451 to 400
Duration lowered from 12 to 8/8/9/9/10
[Changed] Tower and Champion basic attacks will kill Voidlings regardless of health, but otherwise incoming combat damage goes through standard Armor or Magic Resist calculations
[Removed] No longer gains 100% movement speed when running toward priority targets
[Removed] Movement speed is no longer affected by distance from Malzahar
[REWORKED] Void Swarm (W) -
"Mana Cost: 40/45/50/55/60
Cooldown: 8
Range: 150
Passive: Casting Malzahar's other spells gives him Gathering Swarm, increasing the number of Voidlings summoned by Void Swarm (max 2).
Active: Summons one or more Voidlings. Voidlings last 8/8/9/9/10 seconds and deal an additional 12/14/16/18/20 (+20% AP) (+40% AD) magic damage each hit.
Voidlings deal 300% damage to lane minions.
Voidlings deal 50% damage to epic monsters."

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
I can't think of another champion that's shifted so quickly between useless and overpowered in as many different roles as Malz recently.

edit: remember when he was an amazing jungler for about ten minutes

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

So is Maokai a jungler again now or is he a top laner still?

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


i like to play ezreal but he's basically unplayable bad right now, along with jhin. if you just want to have an always relevant adc just learn ashe.

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

Sivir is also almost always relevant, one of the most perennially underrated champions in the game.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Slow arrows and ECA will always be relevant, right?

Ra Ra Rasputin
Apr 2, 2011

Tales of Woe posted:

So is Maokai a jungler again now or is he a top laner still?

A support, ward every bush with 8 second cooldown teemo shrooms that chase after people, oh and they do 300 damage at level 1.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

kingcobweb posted:

I can't think of another champion that's shifted so quickly between useless and overpowered in as many different roles as Malz recently.

edit: remember when he was an amazing jungler for about ten minutes

As someone who played a lot of malz even pre-rework I just want them to put him out of his misery at this point. Just delete Malzahar from the game, enough of this.

pog boyfriend
Jul 2, 2011

el dingo posted:

Been queuing with other folks who play support recently which made me realise my ADC stable consists of Tristana and Ashe. I'm poo poo at ADC and want to improve, it is kinda fun to actually see my kills go above 2 sometimes.

Who should I aim for next? Lucian and Ez look fun but I also get the impression they're mechanically advanced. Also why the gently caress is every ADC like 4.8k minimum. Especially Ezreal holy gently caress I remember when he came out it was like one year after release or something, he's still 4.8k

basically with adcs what matters more than which adc you pick is your core grasp of the marksman role, being able to last hit, find farm in the midgame, getting cs during sieges, and teamfighting well are staples that affect how well you perform in a game far more than mechanical tricks like how to instant proc silver rings or triple axe draven or whatever stupid flashy poo poo you see people doing.

i advise just picking an adc that is fun to play for you and not that flashy at first... so ashe, caitlyn, vayne(provided you do not try to do any retarded flash ult initiates), and maybe kog maw are great to learn staples on. if you really want to improve make a rune page and mastery page that are completely empty and just practice last hitting in a custom game with no items and just base AD. if you can get good cs in lane you will absolutely loving dominate any bronze or silver adc, guaranteed, no matter how much better they are at mechanical tricks, because by the time midgame rolls around they will be rocking with like maybe 1 item to your 2-3 and you will outdamage them by a country mile.


E: basically if you want to outplay lower elo players as adc you just have to recreate the scene from indiana jones where the guy(your opponent) goes around with these flashy sword tricks and you shoot him. you can learn all the fiddly bullshit later

pog boyfriend fucked around with this message at 00:29 on May 9, 2017

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


one time mata got mad at his adc and made him play a bunch of games of kog'maw in solo queue without flash and wouldn't peel for him at all in lane. playing kog'maw even with flash and a solo queue support is similar training, altho i personally am stupid and my good kog'maw positioning doesn't translate to all adcs.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Getting good at ADC is a combination of playing hundreds of games, acknowledging when you made mistakes, improving basic mechanics with something like Osu, and not standing in loving melee range of Riven are you loving kidding me I can't "peel" that you idiot Twitch

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


if you want to be an adc main you have to follow the advice of anime girlfriend chie satonaka. don't think, feel

Work Friend Keven
Oct 24, 2015

I'M A BIG STUPID IDIOT WHO GETS TRIGGERED FROM THE WORDS SPORTS BALL AND HAS SHIT OPINIONS ABOUT CARD GAMES. ALSO I SAID I WAS GOING TO QUIT HEARTHSTONE OUT OF SPITE OF A TAIWANESE WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP SO REPORT ME IF YOU SEE ME POST IN A HS THREAD
Being good at ADC is like being good at jungle, you just got to learn to scream at your computer screen and not type so you don't get banned. other than that, just focus on getting decent at CS and have fun :D

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


rabidsquid posted:

i like to play ezreal but he's basically unplayable bad right now, along with jhin. if you just want to have an always relevant adc just learn ashe.

ya imo Ashe is one of the best adcs right now but the problem is playing her in soloq. People not following ashe arrows or not peeling well. You basically have to rely only on yourself.

I would recommend playing Caitlyn you can basically 1v2 to the lane, perma push, take first turret and still be safe from ganks/ in teamfights.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Cait has this really undeserved reputation as "Baby's First ADC" but she's actually pretty mechanically demanding. As a support player, getting a good Caitlyn that can weave autoattacks and chain together headshots is like a gift from God.

henkman
Oct 8, 2008

kingcobweb posted:

Cait has this really undeserved reputation as "Baby's First ADC" but she's actually pretty mechanically demanding. As a support player, getting a good Caitlyn that can weave autoattacks and chain together headshots is like a gift from God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUHo3cQ3oc

The cleanest caitlyn you'll ever see

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

henkman posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bUHo3cQ3oc

The cleanest caitlyn you'll ever see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH-Xlzfmg7k

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER
I took a 2 year break from the game and tried AD Kennen again. He feels worse, but I'm not sure how exactly.

What changed?

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



ShadowHawk posted:

I took a 2 year break from the game and tried AD Kennen again. He feels worse, but I'm not sure how exactly.

What changed?

hes not worse but its not ad kennen as much as attack speed bruiser kennen

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
why is Kennen's q impossible to hit

Coco Rodreguiz
Jan 12, 2007

Peckerhead isn't used enough as an insult if you ask me.
Make malz an adc. gently caress it riot do it.

I also wanna remind people that Kled owns. Hit level two then kill your opponent cause you out trade everyone.

JuniperCake
Jan 26, 2013

kingcobweb posted:

Cait has this really undeserved reputation as "Baby's First ADC" but she's actually pretty mechanically demanding. As a support player, getting a good Caitlyn that can weave autoattacks and chain together headshots is like a gift from God.

Sure, Cait has a high skill ceiling but I think she has a pretty low skill floor. Having high range and just being able to stay back, farm up a few items and then clean up fights make her a pretty nice go to. Ez is prob the only adc who is safer, but he has a weaker early game so I think cait is still prob the best adc for people who "can't adc". Positioning and safety is really important for an adc, and Cait gives a player more leniency in that area than most.

that doesn't change the fact that she is legitimately a good champion that can carry and do incredible things if played well. Both things can be true.

JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 17:41 on May 9, 2017

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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I've played like three games in the last two months, is Maokai legitimately stupid now or was that just a strange game I had.

kingcobweb
Apr 16, 2005
Meddler???



Yashichi
Oct 22, 2010

Tired Moritz posted:

why is Kennen's q impossible to hit

I don't think there's a more forgiving skillshot in the game

Try putting your mouse over the enemy and hitting Q

Firebert
Aug 16, 2004
Wait...how does Thresh have a 53%+ winrate? Bot lane must be hosed right now if one of the most popular adcs and the most popular support by far have such high winrates.

Kiranamos
Sep 27, 2007

STATUS: SCOTT IS AN IDIOT

Firebert posted:

Wait...how does Thresh have a 53%+ winrate? Bot lane must be hosed right now if one of the most popular adcs and the most popular support by far have such high winrates.

Riot's concern about the Practice Tool turning everyone into toxic Thresh gods was true.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JuniperCake posted:

Sure, Cait has a high skill ceiling but I think she has a pretty low skill floor. Having high range and just being able to stay back, farm up a few items and then clean up fights make her a pretty nice go to. Ez is prob the only adc who is safer, but he has a weaker early game so I think cait is still prob the best adc for people who "can't adc". Positioning and safety is really important for an adc, and Cait gives a player more leniency in that area than most.

that doesn't change the fact that she is legitimately a good champion that can carry and do incredible things if played well. Both things can be true.

Another champion with an undeserved reputation in that regard is Vayne.

I pick her when I am forced to play top into melee champions with which I'm unfamiliar, because her Q and E are great for disengage. Don't know what that animation is, but pretty sure it's about to target you in some way you won't like? Q to the side, and E it. Doesn't matter what it was now, since you're over here and that guy's over there. Even in the traditional ADC role, the extra damage on her W makes farming a bit easier and the Q auto reset and bonus damage also lets you blackbar a minion and still get it. Sure, there's highlight reels of "Vayne Mechanics," which so far as I can tell amount to "know when to press Q instead of spamming it like an idiot," and failure reels of condemning nearly-dead enemies to safety, but so long as you just use the E to to disengage and the Q for an auto reset — as opposed to being greedy and trying to play way above your skill level — you can have a really easy and fun time on her.

Bonus points if you're not a Riven/Vayne/Yasuo main, because however toxic you think you are you'll be a goddamned angel compared to the Vaynes people are used to playing with and get Friendly honor at the end of the match.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

kingcobweb posted:

Meddler???





On the topic of new coin, as a terrible Sona main I love it. I'll pick it into lanes where I can't realistically be the bully I want to be, and the mana sustain from the mana coins lets me be an obnoxious healbot. I still prefer Spellthief most of the time, but entirely because of the mana coins it feels like it has a niche now.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JuniperCake posted:

Sure, Cait has a high skill ceiling but I think she has a pretty low skill floor. Having high range and just being able to stay back, farm up a few items and then clean up fights make her a pretty nice go to. Ez is prob the only adc who is safer, but he has a weaker early game so I think cait is still prob the best adc for people who "can't adc". Positioning and safety is really important for an adc, and Cait gives a player more leniency in that area than most.

that doesn't change the fact that she is legitimately a good champion that can carry and do incredible things if played well. Both things can be true.

This is pretty much my opinion of both Caitlyn and Tristana.

I feel like both have lower win rates than they should, especially among people with few games on them, entirely because they each have buttons that let you throw yourself into a fight when you really should not. Same as Vayne in that regard. Because of this, you can get some really great Vaynespotting scores when your filled-into-ADC picks Caitlyn or Tristana.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
yeah i got a triple post so what, might as well make it a quadra

misguided rage
Jun 15, 2010

:shepface:God I fucking love Diablo 3 gold, it even paid for this shitty title:shepface:

Firebert posted:

Wait...how does Thresh have a 53%+ winrate? Bot lane must be hosed right now if one of the most popular adcs and the most popular support by far have such high winrates.
The new targon's quest shield is pretty strong. Maybe that's enough?

Looking at his stats on lolalytics though, I'm real confused about the skill order section. Everything listed has a 60% winrate maxing Q or E, but the pick% only adds up to 55% or so. Does that mean that nearly half of the people playing thresh are maxing W with like a 30% winrate to drag him down??

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Coco Rodreguiz posted:

Make malz an adc. gently caress it riot do it.

I also wanna remind people that Kled owns. Hit level two then kill your opponent cause you out trade everyone.

One of these days when he's free, I need to play Kled and figure out what's so bad or weak about him that he trades it for getting a mount and a buttload of free health and mobility. I so rarely play top lane that it's not really relevant to me, so I've never taken the time to learn anything about him beyond what his moves do.

e: Aww, drat. misguided rage stole my penta. gg afk

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


Are there any good sites for tier lists, and text guides and posts about the current meta? Everybody wants you to watch their youtube videos now.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


JuniperCake posted:

Sure, Cait has a high skill ceiling but I think she has a pretty low skill floor. Having high range and just being able to stay back, farm up a few items and then clean up fights make her a pretty nice go to. Ez is prob the only adc who is safer, but he has a weaker early game so I think cait is still prob the best adc for people who "can't adc". Positioning and safety is really important for an adc, and Cait gives a player more leniency in that area than most.

that doesn't change the fact that she is legitimately a good champion that can carry and do incredible things if played well. Both things can be true.

ez has a really strong early game?? he's maybe the best adc when nobody gets items. it's when champs get items, and can start doing things that he begins to lack in comparison since he can't wave clear and his items suck.

Addamere
Jan 3, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If you think about it any ranged champion can be an ADC and have great waveclear if you just build Infinity Edge and Runaan's Hurricane on them.

Rygar201
Jan 26, 2011
I AM A TERRIBLE PIECE OF SHIT.

Please Condescend to me like this again.

Oh yeah condescend to me ALL DAY condescend daddy.


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Teikanmi
Dec 16, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Lux support is good

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