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The atomic bomb is now my preferred method for tree clearing, but it's not without its risks. Haven't had the game crash because of it, though.
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seravid posted:The atomic bomb is now my preferred method for tree clearing This sounds like a good new candidate for thread title.
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Two other noteworthy items from the changelog:quote:Steam is now internally a separate fluid from hot water.
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Toast Museum posted:Two other noteworthy items from the changelog: Oh, that does change things up quite a bit.
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May 10, 2017 20:08
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Gotlag, the change from the update (that Storage tanks now have 2 orientations instead of 4), also broke your Flow control mod. Your valves now only have 2 orientations instead of 4. Not sure if you can fix it, but please be aware, it borked my oil cracking setup something fierce.
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Why does coal liquefaction exist? You don't use as much oil as you used to, patches last longer and it's easier to haul, so why wouldn't you just stick with traditional pumping? Especially now that you need even more coal to fire the boilers (although I guess you could use a nuclear reactor  ).
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another handy QoL change "Increased maximum wire distance of all circuit connectable entities from 7.5 to 9"
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RyokoTK posted:Why does coal liquefaction exist? Self-sufficient plastic outposts? Nothing else comes to mind.
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I feel like this is a change they didn't completely think through. At this point they pretty much need an electric furnace that converts water into steam. You could use it to power a steam engine but that should result in a net loss of power. But people that have gone full solar or nuclear aren't going to want to start burning coal to make oil, or setup a second nuclear system to generate steam for gasification.
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Apparently with the right module/beacon setup using coal liquefaction and then turning the oil into solid fuel (and maybe even rocket fuel) is more efficient than just burning the coal directly, or at least it was before the steam thing.
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May 10, 2017 20:56
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Chev posted:Apparently with the right module/beacon setup using coal liquefaction and then turning the oil into solid fuel (and maybe even rocket fuel) is more efficient than just burning the coal directly, or at least it was before the steam thing. Clean coal!
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DmitriX posted:Self-sufficient plastic outposts? Nothing else comes to mind. Random maps or challenges with very low oil? 
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Chev posted:This sounds like a good new candidate for thread title.
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RyokoTK posted:Why does coal liquefaction exist? You don't use as much oil as you used to, patches last longer and it's easier to haul, so why wouldn't you just stick with traditional pumping? quote:Especially now that you need even more coal to fire the boilers (although I guess you could use a nuclear reactor
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Chev posted:Apparently with the right module/beacon setup using coal liquefaction and then turning the oil into solid fuel (and maybe even rocket fuel) is more efficient than just burning the coal directly, or at least it was before the steam thing. Efficiency modules? That's literally their intended purpose.
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FISHMANPET posted:I feel like this is a change they didn't completely think through. At this point they pretty much need an electric furnace that converts water into steam. You could use it to power a steam engine but that should result in a net loss of power. But people that have gone full solar or nuclear aren't going to want to start burning coal to make oil, or setup a second nuclear system to generate steam for gasification. In this case, the only recipe requiring steam is something that already requires coal, so it's not like it needs extra logistics. Even if it did, a lot of the recent newer recipes have been about adding logistics challenges, and I appreciate that.
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DmitriX posted:Gotlag, the change from the update (that Storage tanks now have 2 orientations instead of 4), also broke your Flow control mod. Scratch that - ALL of the non-generic pipes from that mod can be turned anymore. That borked my factorissimo refinery. Normally devs are p good about that, but this time... *sigh*
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ShadowHawk posted:Being oil screwed was one of the most un-fun things in the game, and sometimes would happen unintentionally (such as when playing on large water and having the water spawn on top of your oil making it disappear entirely). They reduced the amount of oil needed to advance, but if you are oil limited mid-game you really don't have many options. The problem with this is that you need blue and purple tech to research liquefaction, so you already need a source of oil to get going. So unless you're actually a zillion miles away from the nearest oil patch it doesn't seem sensible. If liquefaction was a green tech like basic oil refinery tech was, I would be all over it. e: don't you need oil in the liquefaction process to make more? So you couldn't operate a base without a source of oil at some point. So really all it's good for is basically maintaining your oil production if your starting patch ran dry and you haven't found a new patch yet, and also you're already cranking out electric engines and red chips for blue/purple tech. e2: I forgot that oil fields never fully exhaust themselves. So you can always have just enough to keep yourself afloat, provided you have coal handy. So literally it's just there as a backup I guess. RyokoTK fucked around with this message at 23:36 on May 10, 2017 |
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DmitriX posted:Gotlag, the change from the update (that Storage tanks now have 2 orientations instead of 4), also broke your Flow control mod. It's fixed.
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Coal liquefaction seems like a logistics agnostic way of keeping outposts protected by flamethrower turrets. You could set up oil tankers meant specifically for turrets, but also belt up the nearest coal mine and get umpteen hours of flamethrowing. Not really solving a problem but sort of a cool idea.
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Oh my god. I'd never *really* used construction robots before...being able to automate the construction of my gun turret walls is amazing. Not to mention paving my base and deforesting everything...
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Pornographic Memory posted:Oh my god. I'd never *really* used construction robots before...being able to automate the construction of my gun turret walls is amazing. Not to mention paving my base and deforesting everything... Automation is the way to go with everything. Chances are, if you can do it manually, you can set up poo poo to do it way better than you.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Oh my god. I'd never *really* used construction robots before...being able to automate the construction of my gun turret walls is amazing. Not to mention paving my base and deforesting everything... now is when the game really starts, honestly.
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CanOfMDAmp posted:now is when the game really starts, honestly. Yeah, you suddenly hit a point where you go from expanding your ramshackle assembly line to "gently caress it, time to GO BIG"
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DmitriX posted:Scratch that - ALL of the non-generic pipes from that mod can be turned anymore. Turns out that there as a slight error in 0.15.10: all storage-tank-based entities now default to two_direction_only = true. That's not meant to be the default setting, so it's broken all modded storage-tanks. Fortunately it's an easy, one-line fix, but 0.15.11 will change the default value to false anyway.
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Pornographic Memory posted:Oh my god. I'd never *really* used construction robots before...being able to automate the construction of my gun turret walls is amazing. Not to mention paving my base and deforesting everything... If you get the TinyStart mod, you start with a 5x4 grid power armor with a 150kw reactor, 2 roboports, 2 batteries, shields and 20 construction bots. It's amazing.
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Does the number of connections between reactors and heat exchangers matter? It seems like having at least a couple of heat pipes running on opposite ends of the exchanger block has an effect on overall temperature, but I'm not sure if it's relevant to the plant's performance.
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I took a stab at making a one-size-fits-all oil solution for the blueprint doc.
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Minor update to Electric Furnaces: lighting no longer looks like rear end. Day:  Night: 
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Microcline posted:I took a stab at making a one-size-fits-all oil solution for the blueprint doc. I think you need 5 refineries for the ratio to match up? Nice work though, that's hella compact even with an extra one added.
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That's pretty nice. There are also some OK builds on reddit though a lot of them seem to focus on completely self-contained systems where they make circuits and such in situ whereas I prefer to bus them in. I'm still torn on gears, I tried busing gears but kept running into a situations where the not-correct ratio of gears/iron was causing throughput issues on a semi-starved factory. So I'm back to making gears within the lines, that way I know that red has priority over green has priority over things that are down the line from the belt. Here's an example of one guy's refining setup. I haven't tried it out but I plan to. https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/6a7chh/compact_817_ratio_oil_refining_and_production/ 
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Are there any must-have or recommended mods? I'm playing my first game without mods so I actually know what I'm getting and I've had little issue. The thing I feel I really want a mod for is belts. I want a single tile part that evenly distributes material across the whole belt if its backed up on one side. I know you can do this with a splitter and a single other belt, but that is two extra tiles I'd rather save. I'd also like a splitter that evenly divides what is on the left and right side back into separate belts. I realize this can also be done with a giant contraption with underground belts but that again takes up a bunch of space.
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Truga posted:I think you need 5 refineries for the ratio to match up? Nice work though, that's hella compact even with an extra one added. The processing time changed for cracking recipes on .15. It's now 7 refineries, 1 heavy to light and 7 light to petroleum when using advanced oil processing I believe. I don't know what the ratios are if you're using coal liquifaction, though.
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Inverness posted:Are there any must-have or recommended mods? I'm playing my first game without mods so I actually know what I'm getting and I've had little issue. The Interface Chest mod apparently has an inline lane balancer part/feature. The page doesn't show it off, though, so I don't know more than that. GotLag had a lane splitter mod a few years ago, but I'm unsure of its current status.
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Onean posted:The processing time changed for cracking recipes on .15. It's now 7 refineries, 1 heavy to light and 7 light to petroleum when using advanced oil processing I believe. I don't know what the ratios are if you're using coal liquifaction, though. 8-1-7, not 7-1-7, IIRC, unless it's changed in one of the subsequent 0.15.x Chev fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 11, 2017 |
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Toast Museum posted:GotLag had a lane splitter mod a few years ago, but I'm unsure of its current status. That was from 0.11 and earlier, when items on belts still had collisions. It worked by spawning invisible entities to block the unwanted lanes, but since the belt optimisations introduced in 0.12, items on belts don't collide and so the mod no longer works. I'm sure it's possible to achieve a similar effect using the current API but it would be a horrendous CPU hog (you'd need to carry out checks and move items for each custom splitter every game tick, i.e. 60 times per second).
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Apologies if this is complete nonsense. What about a 2x1 structure that acts like a Factorissimo building with a single input and two outputs, and which contains something like this: Is it possible to make something Factorissimo-like that doesn't allow entry to modify the area's contents?
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You can make it smaller than that: The other thing you can do is use a mod like Side Inserters to control which lane your inserters drop stuff on (Ctrl + F by default). I find this removes much of my need to split lanes. Finally, to completely balance two belts (lanes and all), this is my preferred contraption:  It takes 1 or 2 inputs, produces 1 or 2 outputs, and can maintain 100% flow with two in and two out. And if you're using two belts, then the only extra space it needs beyond the existing belts is those 2x2 blocks on either side. Edit: I know that's not what you asked for, but those mods really aren't performance friendly. GotLag fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 11, 2017 |
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Inverness posted:Are there any must-have or recommended mods? I'm playing my first game without mods so I actually know what I'm getting and I've had little issue. If there is one mod I cannot play the game without any more, it is Long Reach. A lot of people seem to feel the same way about FARL when it comes to rails.
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FARL, RSO and RSO Radar, Long Reach and research queue (or whatever it's called) are must haves for me. TinyStart is another one because I can't be bothered to build my factory or cut down trees by hand.
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