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Inverness posted:Are there any must-have or recommended mods? I'm playing my first game without mods so I actually know what I'm getting and I've had little issue. There's this: https://mods.factorio.com/mods/Razorin/Single-Splitter quote:Balances the left and the right side of a transport belt by taking items alternately left and right from the input belt. If one side is empty it will be skipped. Output goes the same: one left and one right, if one side is blocked it will be skipped.
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Somebody is working on a pumpjack pipe auto-router. Outpost generator is live: http://autotorio.com/outpost 
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May 11, 2017 22:36
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MisterOblivious posted:Somebody is working on a pumpjack pipe auto-router. Eventually someone will automate playing factorio and we can all go home.
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May 11, 2017 22:47
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TasogareNoKagi posted:Eventually someone will automate playing factorio and we can all go
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May 11, 2017 23:04
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GotLag posted:
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May 11, 2017 23:17
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actually writing a factorio-AI would be really cool
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May 11, 2017 23:22
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Well, there was that guy who made a self-replicating factory which mostly fits the requirement.
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May 11, 2017 23:46
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Chev posted:Well, there was that guy who made a self-replicating factory which mostly fits the requirement. Yeah, the Grey Goo factory was kinda crazy. I think he had to use a couple of mods to let his computer network call blueprints in .14, but that was it.
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May 12, 2017 00:44
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TasogareNoKagi posted:Eventually someone will automate playing factorio and we can all go home. Yeah but then we'll have to automate the automation of Factorio. It's too much work to bother with blueprint strings when the computer can do it for us.
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May 12, 2017 01:02
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Then we automate this thread with a Markov chain generator, and can all atrophy away to nothing.
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May 12, 2017 01:20
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Somewhere in there, development of Factorio will get automated as well
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May 12, 2017 01:47
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Slashrat posted:Somewhere in there, development of Factorio will get automated as well They already have an automated bug-testing sequence they put the game through! Which is...honestly...more of something that every game developer should do and shouldn't be as special as it is.
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May 12, 2017 01:50
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Alkydere posted:They already have an automated bug-testing sequence they put the game through! Do you have any more information on this?
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accipter posted:Do you have any more information on this? They have talked about it a bit in their friday blog posts from time to time. Most recently here.
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May 12, 2017 01:56
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Alkydere posted:They already have an automated bug-testing sequence they put the game through! Most makers of video games are rank amateurs managed by idiots.
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May 12, 2017 02:15
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Also see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_testing Its hard to say they're the only ones in the industry doing it automated but its hard to set up to be automated and actually spit out useful data and they have absolutely amazing patch hygiene for how many features they churn through so it's hard to call a coincidence. The basic idea isn't a far cry from triple As specifying and handing out test matrices to minimum wage game QA contractors but the economics start turning toward automation when you are in development for years and need to push feature packs inbetween dev cycles.
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May 12, 2017 02:18
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Chev posted:8-1-7, not 7-1-7, IIRC, unless it's changed in one of the subsequent 0.15.x A refinery makes 2 heavy/s and cracking consumes 13.3 heavy/s so the proper ratio would be either 6:1 or 7:1, with the smallest perfect setup being 20 : 3 : 21. I've reworked the solution with a "good enough" 6:1:7, although 7:1:8 might be better as it would only slow one refinery and only when heavy has almost no draw. 
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All of these refinery blueprints that don't consider beacons or modules make me sad. As you add modules or beacons to different parts of the oil setup you're going to end up changing the optimal ratio anyway, so a design that carries inherent flexibility has a lot of benefits. This is doubly true if you produce and consume inconsistent amounts of solid fuel. Space isn't particularly limited, so just have blueprints for tileable refineries, coal liquefaction refineries, plastic, solid fuel, and both kinds of cracking. Then just extend them as needed in a line whenever one is the binding constraint. You can do some very simple pump logic on your storage tanks (such as only crack heavy oil if you have enough leftover for coal liquefaction, and only crack light oil if you have space for petroleum gas). If you're concerned about power costs you can tie that same logic to power switches instead of pumps.
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Can a single red belt really feed 48 furnaces? And a blue belt 70? That's so many furnances!
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FISHMANPET posted:Can a single red belt really feed 48 furnaces? And a blue belt 70? That's so many furnances! Yes, and yeah it is. As long as the red belt is fully saturated, I've never had a single furnace not running, and I've got that nifty mod that overlays green / yellow / red dots on objects to show if they're bottlenecked or inefficiently working, and my furnace arrays are always a solid green unless the metal output belt is backed up and they turn yellow. Feels feckin good, and removes the lovely guesswork of "I'll just keep feeding this furnace array with ore and expanding it until I end up with 3 or 4 furnaces that don't actually work 100% of the time and poo poo constantly goes wrong due to ore supply not meeting demand".
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New use for radar mode: I wanted to see if I could put 8 of a really big thing where I currently have 4 spaced out and some extra space at the sides. So I went to radar mode, found a clear patch of terrain, ghosted the 8 things, blueprinted the ghost and exited radar mode and lined up the blueprint to where I wanted it. I have enough room
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Zetsubou-san posted:New use for radar mode: I wanted to see if I could put 8 of a really big thing where I currently have 4 spaced out and some extra space at the sides. So I went to radar mode, found a clear patch of terrain, ghosted the 8 things, blueprinted the ghost and exited radar mode and lined up the blueprint to where I wanted it. I don't understand this, explain it better? Also why would you want 8 radars in the same spot? Is it just to scan larger areas quickly or?
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 You vs the guy she told you not to worry about etc etc My old coal fired 20 furnaces per express belt steel production on the left, 48 electric furnaces fed by red belts on the right side.
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Loopoo posted:Yes, and yeah it is. As long as the red belt is fully saturated, I've never had a single furnace not running, and I've got that nifty mod that overlays green / yellow / red dots on objects to show if they're bottlenecked or inefficiently working, and my furnace arrays are always a solid green unless the metal output belt is backed up and they turn yellow. What mod is this? FISHMANPET posted:Can a single red belt really feed 48 furnaces? And a blue belt 70? That's so many furnances! Steel furnaces have a crafting speed of 2x, and an iron/copper plate takes 3.5s, so they take 1.75s to craft something. A red belt feeds 26.66 items a second, so 26.66 * 1.75 = 46.66. vOv fucked around with this message at 05:39 on May 12, 2017 |
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e: dp
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vOv posted:What mod is this? This mod. It's loving amazing for running through your factory and getting at-a-glance info on what poo poo needs to be fixed and what poo poo is working perfectly well. If it shows green, everything is running smoothly, if it shows yellow, you're overproducing and the object has nowhere to place the products. If it's red, it's not getting enough resources.
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Sweet, just what I needed, more ways for the game to tell me my factory sucks.
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FISHMANPET posted:Sweet, just what I needed, more ways for the game to tell me my factory sucks. Nah don't worry about it, my dude. It's real unobtrusive and you can flick it on and off so it's not constantly triggering you about how garbage your factory is. That being said though, prepare yourself for the intensely satisfying feeling of running through your factory and just seeing green dots for as far as the eye can see.
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Loopoo posted:Nah don't worry about it, my dude. It's real unobtrusive and you can flick it on and off so it's not constantly triggering you about how garbage your factory is. That being said though, prepare yourself for the intensely satisfying feeling of running through your factory and just seeing green dots for as far as the eye can see. Sounds like you aren't trying to increase production hard enough 
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Kinetica posted:Sounds like you aren't trying to increase production hard enough If we were living in the olden days, this would be grounds for a duel. I'd straight up slap you in the face with my glove and demand satisfaction. How dare you insinuate my factory isn't at a respectable production quantity. I'll have you know my factory is magnificent.
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Green lights means either your production or your throughput is too low.
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No it doesn't. Green light means the assembler / furnace is running at 100% efficiency, as in it's constantly working and not pausing and waiting for ingredients. A yellow light means it's backed up and has nowhere to place the item it just made. A red light means it's not getting enough resources to create whatever item it's meant to be creating. Red light is bad. Yellow is so-so. Green is perfect. I just use the trickle-down method. If my wire assemblers are constantly at a green, I'll go and check the next step in production (green circuits for example). If they're green or yellow, then I'll give myself a pat on the back and know I'm doing ok. If my wire assemblers are green but my green circuit assemblers are red, it means I need to produce more wires, so I'll add a few more wire assemblers. It's great for quickly diagnosing trouble spots at a glance, without having to run and look at every belt in your factory, scratching your head and wondering which assemblers need to be revised. Qubee fucked around with this message at 06:36 on May 12, 2017 |
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Ok, I am struggling through yellow science right now. I am tempted to tear down my science area and Mall, and smelter area and figure out a better way to get more resources to my bus and generate more blue circuits. That seems much more preferable to restarting and just getting this far again in 30 hours. Do people do that? To top it off I need to automate a basic nuclear setup because I am still very tired of trucking coal. I have a stash of the power uranium and enough to start a kovarex process. This is a really basic feature, but are there any good videos on combinators and how there logic works? Dirk Pitt fucked around with this message at 07:05 on May 12, 2017 |
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If everything's green, it means there's no headroom. It's perfect for now, but you'll need to expand it as you add more downstream sinks for whatever's being produced. It's a bit weird because if a production area has a mix of green and yellow, it's the amount of *yellow* that tells you how much more you can consume before needing to upgrade. e:^ never restart, just go build somewhere else. You'll be thankful whenever you have to run back to the old factory to grab a bunch of inserters or assemblers or whatever.
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Dirk Pitt posted:Ok, I am struggling through yellow science right now. I am tempted to tear down my science area and Mall, and smelter area and figure out a better way to get more resources to my bus and generate more blue circuits. That seems much more preferable to restarting and just getting this far again in 30 hours. Do people do that? What exactly do you mean by 'mall'?
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Dirk Pitt posted:Ok, I am struggling through yellow science right now. I am tempted to tear down my science area and Mall, and smelter area and figure out a better way to get more resources to my bus and generate more blue circuits. That seems much more preferable to restarting and just getting this far again in 30 hours. Do people do that? Always be rebuilding your factory.
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vOv posted:What exactly do you mean by 'mall'? Probs a section of his factory that has all the items automated that he can stop and shop at to grab what he needs. Don't restart, you'll just endlessly be stuck in a loop of hitting a wall and restarting and never getting anywhere. Go make a new factory far away from your old one connected by rail, and piece-by-piece build it up, using your old factory as a crutch to help you build the new one bigger and better. Just don't go super big at first cause you'll be spending ten hours building the drat thing before it even starts working, which can burn you out super fast. Plan it well, build it small with plenty of space to expand, and get it up and running and self-sufficient. Then you'll be making leaps and bounds and have a new megafactory in no time. Once you've got an army of construction bots, adding new sections to your factory becomes child's play and isn't so painful to do.
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vOv posted:What exactly do you mean by 'mall'? What loopoo said. I have a section of my factory that builds everything I need up through purple science.
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Loopoo posted:Probs a section of his factory that has all the items automated that he can stop and shop at to grab what he needs. That's a good idea. Lets my current factory hobble along and I can just fill a train with belts and poo poo and start fresh. I really don't have the energy to tear down my early game smelters and figure out how to fit what I need in a space I have. Clean implementation will be best.
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Dirk Pitt posted:What loopoo said. I have a section of my factory that builds everything I need up through purple science. Oh, I'm dumb and I just slap an assembler down in a part of my factory that's already got whatever combination of resources.
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