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less time considering playing more time actually playing if you hate effort find a different genre also people have a tendency to make mountains from mole hills with fgs, this is one of the easiest competitive game genres to learn also tekken
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May 12, 2017 18:25
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If you have a PC download a fightcade romset and just start trying poo poo for free and see what sticks, would be my suggestion. And then in June get tekken
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May 12, 2017 18:26
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Killer Instinct and Guilty Gear Xrd both have really great in-game tutorial/training options and very solid community made guides (https://ki.infil.net and the Guilty Gear Crash Course youtube series, respectively). Both games also have training-wheels modes (KI's Combo Assist and GG's Stylish Mode) which give shortucuts and auto-combos layered over the default controls, so that when you start out you can lean on them as much as you need, but you'll naturally use them less and less as you learn the game. Neither of these games has the playerbase that SFV has, but that's basically the only good thing I could say about SFV.
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May 12, 2017 18:43
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AnonSpore posted:Reflexes will not make or break your fighting game experience at any level of play except the top what about games like melty blood where at even mid level play the game can easily become "know the exact moment in this pressure string where you can escape safely or you're going to sit here blocking forever". you need to be able to react to the move that's open to a shield counter or w/e, don't you?
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darealkooky posted:what about games like melty blood where at even mid level play the game can easily become "know the exact moment in this pressure string where you can escape safely or you're going to sit here blocking forever". you need to be able to react to the move that's open to a shield counter or w/e, don't you? chances are you aren't reacting to a frametrap, most of this is predictive based on situational awareness
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ppl talk about reflexes or whatever but training and playing any FG will improve your ability to recognize situations and react to them on the fly, it isnt just a purely physical reflex
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May 12, 2017 18:52
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Experience and ~*yomi*~ will carry you through almost all of these situations
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Dessel posted:Are there any fighting games worth getting into as a beginner on PC that will not definitely (but may) make me hate myself? First of all, this is a SUPER loving good time to get into fighting games on PC. 2017 is like, our year or something. Can you give a better idea of what you're hoping for? Do you wanna just play anything as long as you can play it with chill peeps that will teach you stuff and not get buttmad about dumb things? Are you wanting to just check out some decent singleplayer content (not what I'd recommend this genre for but there are games that try to address this)? Chances are there's a good recommendation for you but I'm just not sure what you mean yet.
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One of the secrets of baby's first fighting games is to find actual, good friends to play with. I would never have gotten back into fighting games if I didn't have decent people to stomp my rear end in Third Strike. Also I am ethically obliged to say UNIEL is really good. Melty is ultimate poverty (and is good). Skullgirls is a lot more complicated but is fine if you're playing with people at your skill level. There's a wide range of fighting games that are very good until you try too hard like Third Strike and Garou that you can find on fightcade.
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Serenade posted:One of the secrets of baby's first fighting games is to find actual, good friends to play with. I would never have gotten back into fighting games if I didn't have decent people to stomp my rear end in Third Strike. just having friends to play with is the important part. almost every day after school i had a group we'd hang out and play fgs for hours.
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A really fun aspect of FGs is using movement or quick attacks specifically to provoke the opponent's reflexes and cause him to react incorrectly or hesitate, leaving an opening you can exploit. This kind of poo poo works no matter how good the other guy's reflexes are
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Ho Chi Minh Holiday Inn posted:my advice would be to get tekken gonna have to agree with this post
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What many people attribute to reflexes is often actually anticipation and foresight. The minimum human reaction time is around a quarter second, or about 15 frames, and the only way to get beyond that threshold is making an educated guess and begin responding to something before it happens. If you're trying to learn fighting games as a newcomer it might feel like everyone has some sort of mental reflex advantage over you, but please don't be discouraged; they have just played long enough and seen enough scenarios that they can guess the choices you're likely to make in a panic. Stick with it and you'll start developing this power as well. Don't take losses personally, you're building a database of experiences!
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Countblanc posted:By "not make you hate yourself" do you mean "win and lose roughly 50:50 right out of the gate"? Because if so SFV is probably the only fighting game on PC with a large enough install base where you may come even remotely close to that (but you still won't). If you instead meant "controls well, has minimum lag, good load times, and so on" then there's quite a few choices. Controls well for sure. Having complicated controls/combos/w/e for the sake of being complicated sounds horrible. Community not being a stinking pile of poo poo would help too (Is chat even generally a thing?). I don't mind getting my rear end beat as long as I'm learning something. It's fun to even get your rear end beat when the opponent is generally polite about it. I would expect to start finding some decent matches after a full week of gaming every night though. In Training posted:If you have a PC download a fightcade romset and just start trying poo poo for free and see what sticks, would be my suggestion. And then in June get tekken This is a good suggestion, will take it into consideration, especially if it helps to see how each series plays generally speaking. Trykt posted:First of all, this is a SUPER loving good time to get into fighting games on PC. 2017 is like, our year or something. Definitely online. I don't mind singleplayer but that's not why I even have the interest for the genre at all. I want to get my rear end beat (to a certain degree) and just keep on getting better at a game. Decent in-game community would be nice too. For Honor's duels are best when you have an opponent who's knowledgeable about the game and you naturally end up having at least a small conversation about the balance/scene of the game. Tekken 7 might be an idea, I have a For Honor buddy of the same nationality that's probably getting the game and we've been doing things together almost daily for few weeks now. (Him being so much better would be a problem though obviously). I'll have to look at visuals/style of each game too I guess to see what ticks. There seems to be varying degrees of... "anime", not that I mind it at all, to be quite honest. Just surprised it's so prevalent across games and about none seem to be completely devoid of it. Once I decide on a game and if I get invested into it I guess I'll have to start getting into control methods too. I'm a huge nerd for different control methods and I can see fight sticks and fighting games being a bottomless pit to delve into, but I'll worry about that at a later date  Currently my choices on PC would be a mechanical keyboard or DualShock 4.
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I started out Tekken not knowing anything and had a blast because it turns out even people way better than you and who can take you 100-0 in a set feel it in their nuts a little when you land Paul Phoenix's Signature Move, The Death Fist (a.k.a. Phoenix Smasher).
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but really if you're on the fence watch some videos and see what looks cool i guess. hemming and hawing about it here isn't going to make anything any easier for you
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What's the competitive appeal of Tekken? I used to have fun button mashing in the original tag game but watching the game being played doesn't make it look fun to me anymore. Because of how few special move there are, as an observer the game looks really homogeneous to me with players just trying to use the same few strings to get big damage. Is it all about footsies and catching people's recovery and things like that?
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Ho Chi Minh Holiday Inn posted:I started out Tekken not knowing anything and had a blast because it turns out even people way better than you and who can take you 100-0 in a set feel it in their nuts a little when you land Paul Phoenix's Signature Move, The Death Fist (a.k.a. Phoenix Smasher). Shadow Ninja 64 posted:Deathfist my rear end, Paul Phoenix.
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Dessel posted:Once I decide on a game and if I get invested into it I guess I'll have to start getting into control methods too. I'm a huge nerd for different control methods and I can see fight sticks and fighting games being a bottomless pit to delve into, but I'll worry about that at a later date Tekken works perfectly well on a DualShock, and is just as good on a stick if you decide down the line that you want to nerd out over hardware. It will also have great online play and a bunch of goons all trying to learn it, so that's a big plus. Actually on the latter point, if you want to play any fighting game with people who aren't dicks and will be open minded about trying to help you, definitely find matches with goons through Discord instead of rolling the dice in matchmaking. I've played fighting games my whole life and I still find random online Ranked battles extremely unfun.
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Dracula Factory posted:What's the competitive appeal of Tekken? Tekken has one of the highest skill ceilings of any fighting game, but not for bullshit arbitrary reasons like having to memorize/execute insanely complicated sequences of things. There's a lot of improvisation, like a LOT, while still offering plenty of exchanges with the traditional 2 choice or 3 choice guessing games that form the core of most good fighting games. Also it looks real good and has rad music.
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Trykt posted:
THE BEST MUSIC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbM-BKvcQvc
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Play KOF XIV. We need more people, and as long you play Americans the vast majority of people you'll fight will be very bad and won't stomp you. But seriously, start off with Fightcade. Try a few games that seem interesting, and see what sticks.
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Trykt posted:Tekken has one of the highest skill ceilings of any fighting game, but not for bullshit arbitrary reasons like having to memorize/execute insanely complicated sequences of things. There's a lot of improvisation, like a LOT, while still offering plenty of exchanges with the traditional 2 choice or 3 choice guessing games that form the core of most good fighting games. on top of that i think it's paced really well and does a good job making stuff look like it hurts to get hit with
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Reiley posted:What many people attribute to reflexes is often actually anticipation and foresight. The minimum human reaction time is around a quarter second, or about 15 frames, and the only way to get beyond that threshold is making an educated guess and begin responding to something before it happens. If you're trying to learn fighting games as a newcomer it might feel like everyone has some sort of mental reflex advantage over you, but please don't be discouraged; they have just played long enough and seen enough scenarios that they can guess the choices you're likely to make in a panic. Stick with it and you'll start developing this power as well. Don't take losses personally, you're building a database of experiences! This app tests your raw reaction speed to Millia mixups, with no guessing allowed. It's hard! http://www.teyah.net/milliablocker.html
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Dessel posted:Controls well for sure. Having complicated controls/combos/w/e for the sake of being complicated sounds horrible. Community not being a stinking pile of poo poo would help too (Is chat even generally a thing?). I don't mind getting my rear end beat as long as I'm learning something. It's fun to even get your rear end beat when the opponent is generally polite about it. I would expect to start finding some decent matches after a full week of gaming every night though. You're honestly way overthinking things. Just buy a game that looks fun to you and play it. Anything from the "what's hot now" list in OP will have players for you to fight online. Dualshock will work fine for any of them.
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is recommending fightcade to new people looking for a fun game advice that people will take
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I figure people will because its free, relatively painless to set up and gives you access to more games than you could ever dream of.
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Trykt posted:Tekken has one of the highest skill ceilings of any fighting game, but not for bullshit arbitrary reasons like having to memorize/execute insanely complicated sequences of things. There's a lot of improvisation, like a LOT, while still offering plenty of exchanges with the traditional 2 choice or 3 choice guessing games that form the core of most good fighting games. Improvisation sounds fun, and I do like the way the game looks and while I think most of the character designs are boring, they do have a cat-head man and that's pretty great. Maybe I'll give it a go when it comes out on PC, I played tons of Soul Calibur 2 and 3 when I was young so I have more of a foundation with 3d fighters than I did with 2d. Zand posted:is recommending fightcade to new people looking for a fun game advice that people will take Is there something like a goon FG discord? I've been thinking of trying fightcade games like super turbo but finding people to play with has been my issue. Dracula Factory fucked around with this message at 20:44 on May 12, 2017 |
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Can we rename the thread title to "Buy Tekken"
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Luna Was Here posted:Can we rename the thread title to "Buy Tekken" "preferably on PC but really any way you can get it, Buy Tekken" Dracula Factory posted:Is there something like a goon FG discord? I've been thinking of trying fightcade games like super turbo but finding people to play with has been my issue. It's in the OP, but also: https://discord.gg/0wBmC7rtxZPBgPkW You can definitely get people to play ST and other fightcade games with you there. Once you're there I can also hit you with a secret Illuminati non-goon Fightcade discord chan Trykt fucked around with this message at 20:57 on May 12, 2017 |
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Also to the new guy SFV is free this weekend for a beta test in a separate client you can just search for it on Steam. It is multiplayer only but everyone is just trying out new characters and poo poo from what I can tell. Ed is surprisingly fun btw
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Echoing the "Play anything that looks fun to you" sentiment. As someone relatively new to the genre, the game that looked fun to me was King of Fighters XIII, which I started playing long after new players left the game so everybody was a killer, and started despite having nobody I know play the game, and it having a bad reputation for being incredibly hard to get into, and needing to learn three characters instead of one, and.... The point is, if it looks fun, anything that sounds bad will fade away because you'll have fun figuring all of this stuff out. Don't be afraid to drop things that don't mesh with you, right now is a great time to get into fighting games. There are a multitude of amazing free games available on Fightcade with a lot of people playing, Tekken 7 looks amazing (and Tekken has always been tons of fun to mess around with if you don't really know what you're doing too), KoFXIV just got announced for steam (GET THIS AND PLAY IT, it's so much fun and KoF is faster paced and movement feels soooo gooooood), SFV is pretty simplistic and has a lot of leeway for newer players, especially if you're willing to put in some time, get beat up a lot and learn from goons. As for reaction times, give this a read. It should help put things into perspective. You'll have a lot of fun if you like to analyze and try to improve things on your own, and even more fun if you don't mind tracking down like-minded players who can give you pointers, and this community has always been great for that as far as I've experienced.
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Hobojim posted:
such a good link that will be read by almost nobody that should read it
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Filipino man wising up https://twitter.com/Filipinoman/status/863119152201859072
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Play anything you want. Fun is the biggest motivation, especially for a newcomer. To give more specific answers to narrow it down, SFV is on free Beta right now on Stream, Skullgirls is always cheap and is growing, Melty Blood is Melty Blood, Guilty Gear is hot right now with a cheap new entry in a few weeks, Killer Instinct is free to play with one permenant character and one rotating one. Hobojim posted:As for reaction times, give this a read. It should help put things into perspective. Great read. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 22:33 on May 12, 2017 |
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Whatever you may have heard about past installments, Smash 4 plays different from its predecessors and you may be surprised by how much you enjoy it. It's built around two stocks rather than three or four so each stock sees a lot more meaningful play and the neutral feels closer to a traditional fighter than any other Smash game. The netplay is not good but it is a very popular offline game and there are scenes for it everywhere. There's a character for literally almost every playstyle and a whole new vocabulary of finger puzzles to solve. Play Smash 4: It's Not Melee™.
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Zand posted:is recommending fightcade to new people looking for a fun game advice that people will take It's how I started. Also if you're playing on PC and exclusively online, your main game should be something with GGPO or other non-SFV rollback netcode. So it's basically Fightcade, Melty Blood, Skullgirls, or wait for developers to pull their heads out of their asses. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 12, 2017 |
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Hobojim posted:As for reaction times, give this a read. It should help put things into perspective. I read it, it's great. Until I got Injustice 1 a week ago I hadn't played a non-Smash fighter since MK4 and everything seemed a little overwhelming, good read to get your head on straight.
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