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Poetic Justice posted:The writing of these last two episodes doesn't seem as good to me compared to last season. Did they get different writers or something? Am I the only one? This is part of the network fuckery set of episodes. Won't be normal until 3 into the next season.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:This is part of the network fuckery set of episodes. Won't be normal until 3 into the next season. No? The extra episodes will be part of season 3.
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I just caught up on this week's episode and that was super fun. Maze stole every scene, as per usual for her. "She'll learn to cut them with words, and then I'll teach her the knives. And then Chloe just looks at her, deadpan.
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May 11, 2017 03:54
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Well, that was...  Also, Dan you are officially the dumbest human being on the planet.
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May 15, 2017 03:55
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How come they don't say Satan on the show? Is that a bad word?
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Dongattack posted:How come they don't say Satan on the show? Is that a bad word? Because Lucifer and Satan are two separate beings. 
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May 15, 2017 18:36
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Wow, really good episode! I thought the last two after it came back on were kinda weak, but this one was great.
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May 15, 2017 19:01
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Also we need to start a petition to get Timothy Omundson on to the show on a regular basis.
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grack posted:Also we need to start a petition to get Timothy Omundson on to the show on a regular basis. Can't agree more with this in regards to any show. All shows needs more Timothy Omundson.
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May 16, 2017 00:52
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I see they've opted to be sensitive towards the mentally ill.
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Echophonic posted:I see they've opted to be sensitive towards the mentally ill. It's not exactly a surprise.
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May 16, 2017 02:21
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What a strange episode. I don't know if it's good or not?
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The whole 'date at Chloe's' thing is delightfully cringe.
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May 16, 2017 02:36
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Oh my god, this "date" is amazing.
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May 16, 2017 02:37
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"Great, now we can get on with our plan!" *medallion slides off and clatters on the floor*
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Zebulon posted:Oh my god, this "date" is amazing. As is Lucifer's unintentional cock-blocking.
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May 16, 2017 03:34
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I'm just stunned they made it through an entire episode without one joke about Johnson. Especially given the writing team AND the stars of the show. You'd think that would have been one of the first things to end up in the script.
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Good episode, but I'm disappointed it wasn't actually god. I would have loved omundson as an occasional guest star
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May 16, 2017 04:21
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It might have been. They left it a bit open ended in case they want to return to the plot idea. The guy does work in mysterious ways, after all.
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May 16, 2017 04:57
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"My father would never use public transportation. That song is completely unrealistic."
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May 16, 2017 09:32
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Maze is amazing, wow.
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May 16, 2017 16:11
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"You're trying to Parent Trap God and the Divine Goddess?"
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^^^^New thread title, methinks
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Because Lucifer and Satan are two separate beings. Is that a thing from the comic?
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Tiggum posted:Is that a thing from the comic? Yes, and also lots of people of think they are. Like you can find a whole warren of crazy rabbit holes if you google "are Lucifer and Satan different beings".
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lucifer is a word that represents "morning star" or "bringer of dawn" referring to the planet venus. It's used only once in the bible in reference to a dead babylonian king. it has nothing to do with satan, and this is something historians all agree with.
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Joe Mama Poonana posted:lucifer is a word that represents "morning star" or "bringer of dawn" referring to the planet venus. It's used only once in the bible in reference to a dead babylonian king. it has nothing to do with satan, and this is something historians all agree with. Right, but uh, in the context of the show, and the comic, Lucifer IS "The Devil" and ALSO a separate character from Satan. So it's not really related to that mix-up. I'm pretty sure it's more related to how they wanted there to both be a Satan to poses the serpent in Eden, while also having a war in heaven later.
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Snak posted:Right, but uh, in the context of the show, and the comic, Lucifer IS "The Devil" and ALSO a separate character from Satan. So it's not really related to that mix-up. Isn't all this sourced back to Paradise Lost? Since the role of Satan was cast as Lucifer. It gets confusing, since Samael and Satan are interchangeable at times in the Talmud. Although Satan appears to be more of a title (accuser), and Samael roughly means "God's Poison/Venom". The are probably other sources, but the only thing I've seen that actually has Lucifer and Satan as two different people is Steven Brust's brilliant To Reign In Hell, told from the POV of Satan. Other than the Lucifer Comic that is. And Gaiman's Lucifer and Hell seems to be inspired by Brust's novel.
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Tiggum posted:Is that a thing from the comic? Nope. It's an actual thing in the Christian mythology that fundamentalists and people that don't study the Bible too closely like to ignore because it's too much  to keep track of who is who.Satan is basically God's District Prosecuting Attorney, going about looking for reasons why everyone deserves to go to Hell. Lucifer is one of the beings that rebelled against the order of things and was cast down to Hell. This is why when you get to the book of Job you are suddenly reading about Satan being allowed to just wander around in Heaven and talk poo poo at God about Job. It's a pretty big biblical clue that they are not the same being (in spite of a bunch of traditions saying they are).
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Nope. It's an actual thing in the Christian mythology that fundamentalists and people that don't study the Bible too closely like to ignore because it's too much I don't think any of this is particularly accurate. There's certainly a lot of interpretation involved in reconciling the various bits of the Bible with each other, but that doesn't apply any more to Satan/Lucifer than it does to God or various other characters and events. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think "Lucifer" is even a specific character in the Bible?
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Tiggum posted:I don't think any of this is particularly accurate. There's certainly a lot of interpretation involved in reconciling the various bits of the Bible with each other, but that doesn't apply any more to Satan/Lucifer than it does to God or various other characters and events. Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think "Lucifer" is even a specific character in the Bible? Depends on the translation. Satan was definitely a title used for Samael (whose name is God's Poison/Venom) in the Talmud. It meant Accuser. The King James version holds that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. But there's a lot of evidence it was used to describe a Babylonian King who thought he was a god, but wasn't. There is an entire Christian movement that maintains that the KJV of the Bible is the authoritative English version. Most modern incarnations of Christianity don't doctrinally conflate Lucifer with the Devil or Satan. Although many of their congregation may, due to exposure to Paradise Lost (which uses a KJV representation, I believe) and the countless stories based off it. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer quote:The Hebrew words הֵילֵל בֶּן-שָׁחַר (Helel ben Shaḥar, "day-star, son of the morning") in Isaiah 14:12 are part of a prophetic vision against an oppressive king of Babylon. quote:However, the understanding of the morning star in Isaiah 14:12 as a metaphor referring to a king of Babylon continued also to exist among Christians. Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393 – c. 457) wrote that Isaiah calls the king "morning star", not as being the star, but as having had the illusion of being it. The same understanding is shown in Christian translations of the passage, which in English generally use "morning star" rather than treating the word as a proper name, "Lucifer". So too in other languages, such as French, German, Portuguese, and Spanish. Even the Vulgate text in Latin is printed with lower-case lucifer (morning star), not upper-case Lucifer (proper name). quote:Adherents of the King James Only movement and others who hold that Isaiah 14:12 does indeed refer to the devil have decried the modern translations. e: wording and spelling Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 19, 2017 |
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Echophonic posted:I see they've opted to be sensitive towards the mentally ill.  That's some stock Hollywood Mental Illness right there. Appropriate for where it takes place, I suppose, but kind of insensitive and offensive. I still enjoyed the slow-mo walk-through of the chaos.
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Interesting episode. Maybe Amenadiel will finally get his
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How are you seeing these a day early?
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It airs on Sunday night in Canada.
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Just proof that Canada is better than the US. I mean, if the Trump thing didn't make it obvious this really does.
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May 23, 2017 01:21
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In a way I kind of do hope that Dan winds up marrying Charlotte. Then he'd be, like, Dan Almighty.
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And lucifer can have two duchey dad's to be mad at.
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So is it just me or has Mom, Amenadiel and Lucifer kind of skipped over exactly how they're going to get to heaven in this grand plan?
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Maze brandishing the karambit knives in the shrink's office was fantastic. Leslie-Ann Brandt owns that character.
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