Beet Wagon posted:

The key to it all is that you can only CCU to a ship that's currently in-game.

Let's say CIG has ships A,B,C, and D on sale in-store ready to go. You buy Ship A, but can buy a "token" to change Ship A to any of the other ships. The token costs whatever the difference is in the price of the ships, and you get to keep all the other widgets that originally came with your Ship A (LTI, Alpa access, etc...). You can buy this token, but it's not used immediately on purchase, because maybe you decide you like Ship A after all, or whatever. Who knows.

Later on, CIG announces that they are going to be making ships E,F, and G. You really want Ship G instead of Ship D, but you want to keep your LTI, so you wait and wait and wait until it gets put in the game, and CCU your Ship D to a Ship G. That's how they're supposed to be used.

Now let's say you really really want Ship D, but you want it with LTI and they're no longer offering it. They are however offering a concept sale on Ship E and it comes with LTI. You buy Ship E - still in concept - then spend dollars to CCU it to Ship D - already in game - now with LTI even though they stopped "selling" Ship D with LTI three years ago.

NOW, let's say you think you're gonna want a Ship D way down the line, but you're not sure. So you buy a bunch of tokens for each of your ships to turn them into Ship D just in case you want to way down the line. You hold on to them, eventually they put Ship D in the game but it's twice as big and $100 more than it cost when you bought the CCU tokens. The token's value doesn't change, because it allows a straight trade and you paid the difference in value at time of purchase. So now you can take your Ship A and turn it into a Ship D for $100 less than it's currently selling for, AND you still have your LTI and game package and alpha access. Even better news, LTI Ship Ds are selling on the marketplace for $100 more than they're selling for on CIG's website, so if you sell it you're up 200 bucks. So in this case it's absolutely in your best interest to just stockpile CCUs to EVERY ship possible on the off chance you decide you want one or it triples in size and price and you can make some money.

They built an insanely lovely system and now they're mad at their users for min/maxing it.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Beet Wagon posted:

They built an insanely lovely system and now they're mad at their users for min/maxing it.

XK posted:

This is where my confusion comes in. Buying/trading a straight upgrade from one chariot to another, I understand. It's this thing about buying multiple upgrades, or buying upgrades for ships you don't own, that I don't feel like I'm grasping.

Purchasing options for upgrades only makes sense to me in the realm of the stock market which wrecked itself over credit default swaps.

Maybe CIG can figure out how to sell bundled AAA rated insurance policies.

Daztek posted:

what was this about again, i forgot

Taintrunner posted:

So what even is this game supposed to be anymore?

trucutru posted:

By the way, the CCU thing also means that the mertchantman is going to have its price increased by a metric shitload. It used to be $350 but I bet it goes to a cool $600 at the least.

Taintrunner posted:

So what even is this game supposed to be anymore?

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Chris and I had a pretty good working relationship, I think. Great even, as long as you don't share anything negative. As long as you don't say no or make things too complicated. We started calling him Chris the Ripper because he absolutely eviscerated people that tried explaining things to him.

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In you go, thinking you have a handle on some part of the project, right? You have this thing nailed and yet it's totally gone when you get in. Tons of problems, that. You see it across every department, yeah? When one thing finishes climbing the stairs, Chris kicks it back down. Dragging it back up again and again, you feel like you've climbed a skyscraper but you're still on the first floor. Over and over. Some type of special developer hell, that. Some special circle, yeah? *laughs*

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Chris surrounds himself with idiots. If he actually followed through on his promise to dismiss [a few senior staff] I might've stayed.

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And what? We're expecting you're "hot take" bullshit analysis that automatically makes Chris Roberts a criminal instead of an indie developer. Obviously you have information of a criminal nature but are withholding it from the authorities. That in itself is a crime. Do you like being called a criminal? You proofed yourself one right now. Liars like you should be criminals against good people trying to do their best. I'm disgusted with the negativity surrounding Chris Roberts and his hard working team.

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

in this analogy, the worth of a CCU is (𝛿J)/(𝛿t) where 𝛿J is the difference in joy derived from having the original ship as compared to the "upgrade"

XK posted:

This really didn't help at all. Are CIG's customers buying securities?

Somebody call the FBI and the SEC.

Virtual Captain posted:

brb pledging now!


I'd like to thank everyone for all the fantastic work we have done here in our hive of villany.

So far we have:

- Delayed the game by several years
- Made Chris Roberts endlessly shoot motion capture
- Made CIG steal artwork, repeatedly
- Fed Chris bogus release dates and forced him to promise major patches by the end of the year
- Stole CIGs logins and increased ship prices by 400% minutes before they went live
- Made Christ Roberts an amnesiac and completely unfamiliar or able to play his own game
- Made CIG have endless concept sales that make no sense
- Wrote a cartoonishly evil TOS and forced CIG to use it
- Made up a huge list of outrageous promises that will never be delivered and made it look like CIG were the ones doing it
- Prepared decades in advance by making Chris Roberts have a proven track record of over promising and under delivering
- Made the PU buggy and unplayable for more than a few mins
- Made any work to the PU be bad, take forever, and solve nothing
- Tricked CIG into talking about features and gameplay then forcing them to walk back on what they promised
- Brainwashed RSI mods into banning backers and ingraining the admins with a martial law mentality
- Hacked into CIGs site and turned on cash only discounts
- Produced hundreds of hours of embarassing, bad, stammering, idiotic, uninformative, outright misinformation in the form of videos where we pretended to be them with Mission Impossible level disguises that we then host on CIGs own website
- Bought out an entire company just for a 'spectrum' joke
- Closed the RSI forums
- Made CIG legally obligated to include Star Kitten in the final product
- Tricked Chris into thinking a referral contest was a brilliant idea

These among other things are no fault of CIGs and are in fact the work of us under the command of Derek Smart o7//

TheAgent posted:

and here's some wonderful indie dev on an offsite forum

his nibs posted:

Has anyone said Fart Shitizen yet?

I hope not.

Beet Wagon posted:

poo poo, when it started it was $250 I think. Shoulda kept mine and sold it haha.

fuctifino posted:

I've read the posts explaining how CCUs work multiple times.

I still don't loving understand it. lol

BobHoward posted:

There just isn't much of anything to star citizen yet, and there was much less when people first began dropping hundreds on virtual goods, trading them above face value, and so on. It breaks my brain.

Colostomy Bag posted:

I'm amazed they have a storefront that is more convoluted than security trading with the NYSE. Puts, calls, shorts, derivatives...all child's play against this debacle.

Beet Wagon posted:

poo poo, when it started it was $250 I think. Shoulda kept mine and sold it haha.

BobHoward posted:

I just gotta know.

How did you ever decide it was reasonable to spend two hundred fifty amurrican dollars on a jpeg of a cargo hauler ship in a vidya game that did not exist

I keep having trouble understanding what leads people to that. Like, what? I had trouble justifying to myself paying blizzard like 25 bucks per character or whatever it was to move them to a different realm. It was so obvious a cash grab on top of all they'd already gotten from me in subscription fees, but the reason they could get away with it is with long time players like me they could trade on all the sentimental attachments built on years of actually playing the game. Items that brought back memories of hanging out with the friends who helped me get them, pointless time sink poo poo like achievements which have no value really, but at least it was all there and when I paid my money in a few moments the "service" would actually be delivered and I could play the game with my decked out character on a different realm where several of my friends had transferred to in order to join a good raiding guild after our old one died.

There just isn't much of anything to star citizen yet, and there was much less when people first began dropping hundreds on virtual goods, trading them above face value, and so on. It breaks my brain.

DarkRefreshment posted:

Guys, it's totally not pedo if you fly off to some third world country and marry them right?
Asking for a friend on Reddit.

BobHoward posted:

I just gotta know.

How did you ever decide it was reasonable to spend two hundred fifty amurrican dollars on a jpeg of a cargo hauler ship in a vidya game that did not exist

I keep having trouble understanding what leads people to that. Like, what? I had trouble justifying to myself paying blizzard like 25 bucks per character or whatever it was to move them to a different realm. It was so obvious a cash grab on top of all they'd already gotten from me in subscription fees, but the reason they could get away with it is with long time players like me they could trade on all the sentimental attachments built on years of actually playing the game. Items that brought back memories of hanging out with the friends who helped me get them, pointless time sink poo poo like achievements which have no value really, but at least it was all there and when I paid my money in a few moments the "service" would actually be delivered and I could play the game with my decked out character on a different realm where several of my friends had transferred to in order to join a good raiding guild after our old one died.

There just isn't much of anything to star citizen yet, and there was much less when people first began dropping hundreds on virtual goods, trading them above face value, and so on. It breaks my brain.

Hav posted:

Cradle-robbing or cradle-snatching is largely innocuous as a term. Macron's missus, for example.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

The token thing is bullshit. There is absolutely no way to garner any particular interest on the gameplay of a ship because 1) There is no game and 2) The amount of ships actually out is very small compared to what they are promising.

There is no "Edge" to being able to switch out of ships in the state of the thing, and there wont be for at least another 2-3 years. The fact that they went ahead and tried to do this before do to "database schmegma" and failed horribly is proof that they've never were interested in the technical, gameplay aspects of it. Its all about money.