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Steve Yun posted:Now that the episode has aired everywhere I can share some stuff from the Q&A as a middle eastern man, oddly heartwarming
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Zaphod42 posted:But I did notice that too, when he switched back to English. I thought it was especially funny that he cursed in Arabic (Your mother's oval office!) and then a few minutes later he gets cut off again and he curses in English (gently caress!! poo poo!!) Also accurate to real life (including that specific swear) THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at 15:46 on May 22, 2017 |
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Cool interview with Neil on the adaptation process and on Episode 04 in particular. http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood..._medium=twitter
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Isn't she also reading a book about egyptian mythology during the opening montage? If she's an atheist who is surrounded by egyptian kitsch and knows a bit of the mythology Anubis makes as much sense as anyone. Until the show tells me otherwise, i'm going to assume that the "circumstances of your death" referred to the circumstances of her death being engineered by Odin. She didnt believe in anything, so presumably no-one else would be claiming her* and he decided to psychopomp her (I have no idea of what the verb would be here) because his "side" caused her death and it costs him nothing to do. Not his fault she refused to go along with it. I last read the book years ago, and just loaned my copy to a colleague who watched the first 3 episodes back to back and loved them, so any of this could be contradicted by the book (or a later episode), but as none of this episode was IN the book as far as I remember I'm happy enough with my interpretation. *I'm assuming. I dont think the book really goes into what happens to atheists when the die, or in fact anyone who hasnt drawn the attention of the old gods one way or another.
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I took it as "the circumstances of your death brought you here" or something, meaning that she's in the dark death place because she died literally cheating on her husband.
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Wow that Vanity Fair interview has some spoilers for future episodes. Also this.... quote:It’s that lovely thing of, to know all is to forgive all. You go: “Okay, this is who you are. This is what happened. I’m here with you. I don’t know that if I was in your shoes I would have made better choices than you did.” Yeah nah, Gaiman. I liked this episode but I really don't like or sympathize with Laura just because I saw more of her life.
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That was one of the two shots that made me laugh out loud during that scene. The other was, as they're walking in Ibis is carrying her arm and holding hands with it.
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Julio Cruz posted:That was one of the two shots that made me laugh out loud during that scene. The other was, as they're walking in Ibis is carrying her arm and holding hands with it. I missed this, does anyone have a cap/gif?
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Magikarpal Tunnel posted:I missed this, does anyone have a cap/gif? 
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DentD posted:Yeah nah, Gaiman. I liked this episode but I really don't like or sympathize with Laura just because I saw more of her life. Well, Neil Gaiman doesn't understand monogamy or jealousy, you see.
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I actually felt making Laura more involved in the robbery makes her less relatable. In the book, she does an awful thing but she's also kind of...outside Shadow's actions. If the robbery is her brainchild and it goes south and puts Shadow in jail then she cheats on him, I think it's harder to get invested in the things she does as atonement- like impaling Loki.
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precision posted:Well, Neil Gaiman doesn't understand monogamy or jealousy, you see. Sigh. Like, no judgement on poly folks. If everyone consents and is cool with having a poly or open relationship, whatever, great! But this was not that kind of situation at all and I find zero ways in which Laura's character or life situation somehow made her lovely decisions understandable. She lied and hurt the closest people in her life instead of owning up to her own depression and apathy. And I'm saying all of this as a longtime sufferer of depression and living a banal life. I cannot comprehend why Neil thinks that her status in life somehow means we're all supposed to go, "Oh yes, I would have done the same in your shoes, Laura." No, full stop.
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DentD posted:Sigh. Like, no judgement on poly folks. If everyone consents and is cool with having a poly or open relationship, whatever, great! But this was not that kind of situation at all and I find zero ways in which Laura's character or life situation somehow made her lovely decisions understandable. She lied and hurt the closest people in her life instead of owning up to her own depression and apathy. And I'm saying all of this as a longtime sufferer of depression and living a banal life. I cannot comprehend why Neil thinks that her status in life somehow means we're all supposed to go, "Oh yes, I would have done the same in your shoes, Laura." No, full stop. To be clear, I agree with you 100% - I didn't like the episode that much, but didn't hate it, but I'm wondering to what end they decided to make Laura so... unlikable. She isn't in the book. I have never known a poly relationship that lasted beyond the "we can have lots of sex" phase. I guess sometimes that phase lasts many years. precision fucked around with this message at 05:06 on May 23, 2017 |
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Yeah I knew you were agreeing. I'm just totally unimpressed with Neil on this issue. I like a few of his books. I like him a lot less since he married Amanda Palmer.
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DentD posted:Yeah nah, Gaiman. I liked this episode but I really don't like or sympathize with Laura just because I saw more of her life. I didn't really care much for Laura in the books, but I don't disagree with Gaiman here. When we first hear about Laura, it's about how she cheated on Shadow, but then this episode makes that less of a betrayal of him (though it is that) and more of a symptom of a bigger problem that preceded him. Same with the robbery gone wrong. It's infuriating when she does it because we know how it's going to end up, but she's not in a good place and their lives aren't free from the gods' interference, anyway. I didn't find her a great person in this episode, but I did find her relatable and more likable. Or less unlikable. Whichever. I do disagree with Gaiman's statement that she doesn't need to atone for anything, however.
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i personally don't like the comic being published by Dark Horse right now (lots of tells instead of show, muted watercolours for a series full of gods and monsters), but sometimes it hits the correct notes and I'm wondering how the series will deal with this dream sequence:  The Saddest Rhino fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 23, 2017 |
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Yeah, don't use Laura's infidelity as a gateway to mock Gaiman's poly status, or poly in general. Not cool. Poly can work for people, but not those who go into it with the motive of "aw yeah, now I'm gonna have a bunch of free sex!" But this really isn't the venue for this conversation. I personally like that they've fleshed out Laura so much more now, and that she's only perfect in Shadow's eyes, and is in fact extremely flawed, and not a good person at all. Also, note how her true devotion to Shadow doesn't start til after she's brought back, and he becomes her reason for existing. By making her a three dimensional, deeply flawed person, they turn that change from her being a prop in the story to being a very sad, but compelling, three dimensional person.
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Sorry, I see how my words have been hurtful. My issue with Neil isn't that he is poly, it's that he thinks that this episode featuring Laura will in turn make the audience think, "Yes, I'd have done the same thing."
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Maybe it's because I read the book, but I don't feel like I needed an entire episode's worth of backstory here. I got outright bored during the first half, second picked back up with some excellent scenes but I'm not really feeling this one.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Maybe it's because I read the book, but I don't feel like I needed an entire episode's worth of backstory here. I got outright bored during the first half, second picked back up with some excellent scenes but I'm not really feeling this one. Nah, it just wasn't a very good episode compared to the first batch. It was still good, just... not AS good.
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The Mr. Nancy scene was perfect but at this point I'm kinda wondering why it was inserted so early? If you don't know who he is from the book you must be wondering where Cool Suit Guy went. I was initially thinking/hoping that every episode would open with a Coming to America.
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Yeah I definitely thought they'd have at least gotten to the initial Mr. Nancy meet-and-greet by now after they put his origin so early. I can't wait, Orlando Jones killed it.
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That episode dealt with race, among other things. It made sense to open with a god brought over on slave ships.
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Looking at IMDB, Mr. Nancy is said to be in 3 episodes this season, and so far he's been in one. Kinda odd that Easter is going to be seen more than Mr. Nancy.
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It is odd, but Fuller and Green have talked about the book being a bit of a sausage party before and seem to be trying to adjust that.
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And anything that gives us more Kristin Chenowith is okay in my book.
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DentD posted:Sigh. Like, no judgement on poly folks. If everyone consents and is cool with having a poly or open relationship, whatever, great! But this was not that kind of situation at all and I find zero ways in which Laura's character or life situation somehow made her lovely decisions understandable. She lied and hurt the closest people in her life instead of owning up to her own depression and apathy. And I'm saying all of this as a longtime sufferer of depression and living a banal life. I cannot comprehend why Neil thinks that her status in life somehow means we're all supposed to go, "Oh yes, I would have done the same in your shoes, Laura." No, full stop. This didn't seem to be what it was going for at all? It looks like it was just portraying her as a lovely broken person the whole time. Not just a dude's loving wife who did a bad thing. But someone who makes bad choices and has lovely thoughts constantly. She tries to kill herself, and when the excitement from that wears off she bones a random stranger who tried to rob her workplace. When the interest of that wears thin, she tries to set up a robbery with her new husband. Then when she gets tired of waiting, she has an affair and dies. It's not even until she comes back as a zombie that she admits that yeah, maybe she didn't actually love Shadow. But she does now because she is literally drawn to him with that fancy sun-vision.
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I agree, I don't think the show tried to convince me to sympathize with Laura's choices either. But in that Vanity Fair interview Neil Gaiman seems to think that's exactly what the episode does.
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right to bear karma posted:It is odd, but Fuller and Green have talked about the book being a bit of a sausage party before and seem to be trying to adjust that. Well the show's been pretty sausage filled too, tbh
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cptn_dr posted:And anything that gives us more Kristin Chenowith is okay in my book. To be honest, her casting kind of gave me pause. I haven't seen enough of her acting to have an opinion on that front, but when I think "fertility goddess," she's not quite what I picture. That said, everyone's been doing great so far, so I'm sure she'll kill it too.
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Not even an American aspect of a fertility goddess, who's fallen on hard times? I could see her pulling it off.
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Big Bug Hug posted:Not even an American aspect of a fertility goddess, who's fallen on hard times? I could see her pulling it off. they should have casted the Octomom or that Kate Gosselin chick.
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From the promo stuff I've seen of Easter, it sorta looks like they're going the faded southern belle/pageant mom route. I dig it, and I think Kristen Chenoweth will do great
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people in the other thread are talking about how when Laura comes home, there's a cartoon about a dog & bird on. How is this significant? The dog I could somehow see as referring to Anubis, but I don't see how this fits into the larger story... Help?
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The bird refers to Ibis, the other god who runs the funeral home with Anubis.
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Edit: fine, I'll spell it out. Mr. Ibis is Toth. Choco1980 fucked around with this message at 21:53 on May 24, 2017 |
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double nine posted:people in the other thread are talking about how when Laura comes home, there's a cartoon about a dog & bird on. How is this significant? The dog I could somehow see as referring to Anubis, but I don't see how this fits into the larger story... An ibis is a bird. Ibis and Jackal/Jacquel. I assume that's what they mean anyway.
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Crow Jane posted:Do we know that she purposefully left the tv on, or was it just mysteriously on and turned to that cartoon when she got home? She also works right next to statues of Thoth and Anubis. Not just in an egyptian casino, but specifically of all the more famous gods her stand is next to Thoth and Anubis. IDK if there's any story meaning or it's just foreshadowing, but she's surrounded by them all her life.
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