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Tankakern posted:linux 4.12 gets lots of btrfs fixes, e.g. that raid56 issue fix has finally been revieved and merged it's already where it needs to be ... in the trash but for reals ... subvolumes had been a real pain because ubuntu creates them when doing a fresh install but doesn't recognize them in the installation program if you're re-installing in-place. If you can't recognize or specify subvolumes then don't use them! I had to reformat the drive and put the subvolumes in their own lvm partition. Now, I just don't even use btrfs and the problem somehow disappears!
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why work on diff file systems instead of making a single good 1
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May 23, 2017 21:49
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why buy a combine to harvest your corn field instead of using your perfectly good flamethrower?
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May 23, 2017 22:02
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Last Chance posted:why work on 10 different [THINGS] instead of making a single good [THING] *In shagger voice* OPEN SORES
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ComradeCosmobot posted:It is official; YOSPOS now confirms: FreeBSD is dying the great thing about the freebsd is dying copypasta is that freebsd actually was dying when the copypasta was common, ten years ago now it's just dead the corpse doesn't even smell anymore
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solaris is also effectively dead which is a great pity
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Playstation 4, which runs FreeBSD, has an install base of about 55 million! And people use user friendly stuff like FreeNAS... so as long as you hide the command line, it's not too bad. ... could probbly say the same thing about os x and iphones, linux and chromebooks/android, etc
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People are perfectly happy to use stuff /based/ on linux/unix as long as all traces of it's lineage are hidden from them by actually competent people who build UI's that aren't horrendous garbage.
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Beldantazar posted:People are perfectly happy to use stuff /based/ on linux/unix as long as all traces of it's lineage are hidden from them by actually competent people who build UI's that aren't horrendous garbage. or, in the case of android and the ps4, the ui can still be horrendous garbage maybe ui doesn't matter that much?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:or, in the case of android and the ps4, the ui can still be horrendous garbage you are literally the last person in yospos who should be talking about ui
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There is that other guy in the thread who actively contributed to the ruination of GNOME...
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carry on then posted:you are literally the last person in yospos who should be talking about ui why me, specifically?
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jre posted:*In shagger voice* OPEN SORES
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May 24, 2017 00:42
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the xrossmediabar won an emmy
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Beldantazar posted:People are perfectly happy to use computers as long as all traces of it's lineage are hidden from them by actually competent people who build UI's that aren't horrendous garbage. also neither apostrophe you used should be there
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no "public's" restrooms'
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Cocoa Crispies posted:also neither apostrophe you used should be there im "arent" in literal english
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it's its' bits for its use Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
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"its" being the only possessive without an apostrophe is really stupid. Both the contraction for "it is" and the possessive of "it" should be "it's", and context can tell them apart. Whoever came up with that rule was a dingus
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VikingofRock posted:"its" being the only possessive without an apostrophe is really stupid. Both the contraction for "it is" and the possessive of "it" should be "it's", and context can tell them apart. Whoever came up with that rule was a dingus his (or yours and theirs, if you prefer) James Baud fucked around with this message at 08:45 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 08:42
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el dorito posted:it's already where it needs to be ... in the trash why flame btrfs for ubuntus failures
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May 24, 2017 10:18
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currently, the use case for btrfs is testing or developing btrfs. i thought this was great: https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/05/23/stack-overflow-helping-one-million-developers-exit-vim/
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i mean, again, the use-case for advanced file systems is all in system administration, no applications (outside of the janitoring stuff the admins use) will ever see much use, as it is obviously anathema ityool to tie your software to a file system of all things. if anything you may already be going too far if your application assumes that it can go opening files on a local disk, when it may as well have to exist in a world where it requests stuff off of some service to fit into a modern setup if admins really need btrfs it may make it, but it seems far more likely that simpler setups with known reliable tools to work on it will keep carrying the day forever now
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does btrfs support running on a cluster as opposed to one computer with a fuckton of drives connected to it? seems like a very pre-2000 mindset
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the ps4 interface is not great but it is still better than the xbone interface since it actually responds immediately when you press a button
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let i hug posted:does btrfs support running on a cluster as opposed to one computer with a fuckton of drives connected to it? seems like a very pre-2000 mindset no, because it's a local filesystem and i think originally designed for phones and poo poo
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Tankakern posted:why flame btrfs for ubuntus failures if ubuntu is trying to showcase btrfs to the world, it needs to do a better job, and (unfortunately) it would be on btrfs advocates to bring attention to this janitoring issue if it wants to kill it (by showing off poorly designed tools with an immature filesystem), it's doing fine right now sb hermit fucked around with this message at 21:13 on May 24, 2017 |
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like, just omit subvolumes in installation or support them in their entirety (with an lvm like subsystem)
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i mean, again, the use-case for advanced file systems is all in system administration, no applications (outside of the janitoring stuff the admins use) will ever see much use, as it is obviously anathema ityool to tie your software to a file system of all things. if anything you may already be going too far if your application assumes that it can go opening files on a local disk, when it may as well have to exist in a world where it requests stuff off of some service to fit into a modern setup i can see apple doing some user facing things based on apfs features (snapshots etc), but they have the advantages of a single important ui toolkit that gives third party devs features for ~free, and not having to fight millions of bike shedding sperglords to change said toolkit in significant ways. it's hard to see this happening on linux any time soon, and equally hard to see the eventual thing being user friendly (see: systemd) but in support of your basic point look at how far apple went on a 1990s modernization of a 1980s fs originally designed for 400KB floppies. cool fs poo poo isn't necessary to build things that non sysadmins want to use and buy
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"there is only one ui toolkit that matters" isn't even true on ios any more, to say nothing of osx. linux is not special in that regard even if everybody seems to think that it is. also what do gui toolkits have to do with filesystem snapshots
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lol that you think ios/macos toolkit situation is as fragmented as linux just lol as for the latter think things like integrating support for automatic document versioning etc. already done to some extent with time machine as the backend, could go a lot further with real fs level snapshots and awareness baked in to the cocoa or uikit document models like, I'm way out of my depth here and don't pretend to have any inside info, just seems like a place they could go, and have shown interest in even when they didn't have a fs providing a solid back end for such features
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the linux gui toolkit landscape is about as fragmented as windows is these days you realize basically no major windows desktop application uses win32's built-in widget set these days, right?
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me: talks about apple poo poo you: but windows!!!
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for those of you who haven't had the pleasure of doing any bare USER32 gui programming, it's only slightly less insane than EFL. Widgets are created using CreateWindow(), and widgets are interacted with by calling SendMessage(HWND, LONG, WPARAM, LPARAM). HWND is your widget, the LONG is the command ID, and WPARAM and LPARAM are just two pointer-sized integers that get passed to the message handler. Each window has an associated window proc, defined in that window's window class, which basically receives all the parameters sent from SendMessage and then you have a mess of switch/case statements to dispatch all that bullshit. Built-in widgets have a predefined window class, and your own top-level windows will have window classes supplied by you (so that you can define a window proc that dispatches events)
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BobHoward posted:me: talks about apple poo poo the situation is the same everywhere, to a greater or lesser extent. fashionable toolkits and the languages they are intimately entangled with come and go. making a gui toolkit part of your platform is idealistic and all, but it is a mistake. poo poo even apple's ux design fads seem to have a half life of about five years.
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Sapozhnik posted:for those of you who haven't had the pleasure of doing any bare USER32 gui programming, it's only slightly less insane than EFL. the win32 toolkit at least has the excuse of being rooted in the late 80s when nobody except for the people at NeXT seemed to know any better when it came to gui toolkit design. efl started development in 2000 after better toolkits were already around for many years and is obtuse crap because the author is a legit crazy person.
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Sapozhnik posted:the situation is the same everywhere, to a greater or lesser extent. fashionable toolkits and the languages they are intimately entangled with come and go. making a gui toolkit part of your platform is idealistic and all, but it is a mistake. lol man just stop apples gui toolkit dates from the late 1980s and until the last few years it has always been tied to one language (well there was that misguided attempt to hop on board the java fad during the early days of the reverse takeover of apple by next, but that went nowhere) yeah sure they gently caress with the surface level appearance from time to time but that's never a major API change and claiming it's an idealistic mistake is just lol because they rode that 'mistake' to being the most insanely profitable tech company in basically ever
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BobHoward posted:(well there was that misguided attempt to hop on board the java fad during the early days of the reverse takeover of apple by next, but that went nowhere) went nowhere, except, you know, store.apple.com isn't apple's online presence still built on webobjects?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:went nowhere, except, you know, store.apple.com i think they're talking about the java ui toolkit for macOS that apple provided for some time
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:went nowhere, except, you know, store.apple.com no in fact, store.apple.com literally redirects to the apple home page now.
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