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Who should go #1 overall? This poll is closed. |
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| Nolan Patrick |
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7 | 12.50% |
| Nico Hischier |
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8 | 14.29% |
| Someone Else |
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2 | 3.57% |
| Edmonton Oilers |
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39 | 69.64% |
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Marek's rankings are up http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/jeff-mareks-top-100-prospects-2017-nhl-draft/quote:1. Nolan Patrick C, Brandon Wheat Kings, WHL
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May 24, 2017 15:42
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Pettersson had an NHLe of 25.8 projected points vs common joke prospect Michael Rasmussen who had 23.4 projected points. 41 points in 43 games in the Allsvenskan is equivalent to a 58 point in 50 games in the WHL. To act like Pettersson is "as sure fire an NHL player as anyone in the draft" is pure nuts
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May 24, 2017 15:57
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Ok sure but you also once argued with me that Johnny Gaudreau's ceiling was "Tyler Ennis" Goon opinions on players shouldn't be trusted in general, is my point.
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May 24, 2017 17:13
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I can admit when I was wrong though, it happens to everyone. I also thought Yakupov was going to be really good!
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May 24, 2017 17:24
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i still believe in yak city
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May 24, 2017 17:25
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A Typical Goon posted:I can admit when I was wrong though, it happens to everyone. I also thought Yakupov was going to be really good! I thought Bo Horvat was a terrible pick at the time.
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May 24, 2017 17:30
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Ya I was really mad when the Bruins took Pastrnak instead of Ho-Sang
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May 24, 2017 17:42
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ThinkTank posted:I thought Bo Horvat was a terrible pick at the time. I remember you having some spicey McDavid takes back in the day
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May 24, 2017 17:54
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I thought Kyle Connor would tear it up this year but instead he will tear it up next year. (also loved Yak, still want him to sign in Jersey)
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May 24, 2017 18:13
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I think Jersey would be a good spot for Yak if he's allowed to do his thing on the 2nd or 3rd lines without much defensive responsibility.
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May 24, 2017 18:17
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Yak should go to Vegas and play with Shipabov and Devanov
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May 24, 2017 18:19
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A Typical Goon posted:Pettersson had an NHLe of 25.8 projected points vs common joke prospect Michael Rasmussen who had 23.4 projected points. I don't think NHLe works very well for European leagues. Laine was projected to get 17 points using NHLe. Also some guy named Dylan Gambrell was projected to get 39 points (he stayed in college and got fewer points this year than last instead).
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May 24, 2017 18:30
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A Typical Goon posted:Pettersson had an NHLe of 25.8 projected points vs common joke prospect Michael Rasmussen who had 23.4 projected points. NHLe numbers for that league are not particularly valuable. You run into a sample size issue.
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May 24, 2017 18:37
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^^^^^ NHLe isn't a stat I love, but it's actually not bad for the Allsvenskan. The current methodology is to calculate the equivalency between the jump from it to the SEL, then from the SEL to the NHL and there are hundreds of data points for that. You are right in saying that there are very few from the Allsvenskan straight to the AHL/NHL though. A Typical Goon posted:I remember you having some spicey McDavid takes back in the day Yup, I felt he wasn't as far along as Tavares at the same age (16) and didn't fully understand why he was getting all the crazy hype he was (despite being a very good player and obvious #1 pick). By about the mid-point of his draft season it was clear how wrong I was. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 18:47
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ThinkTank posted:I thought Bo Horvat was a terrible pick at the time. he kinda was from our perspective. that his loving skates were holding him back 15kph was not a thing we were privy to if you said "bo horvat but a plus skater" i'd have been all over that and i pit zero stock in nhle at this point. id probably take pettersson at 3 Verviticus fucked around with this message at 04:06 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 04:00
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Verviticus posted:he kinda was from our perspective. that his loving skates were holding him back 15kph was not a thing we were privy to To be fair he kinda was a bad pick in the sense that he was drafted to be a defensively responsible two way guy with skating issues and now he's an all offence quick rush player. He's an excellent player, but that's a one in a thousand shot to work out like that.
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May 25, 2017 15:11
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I assumed Bo Horvat would be pretty bad because his name is Bo
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May 25, 2017 15:33
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A Typical Goon posted:I can admit when I was wrong though, it happens to everyone. I also thought Yakupov was going to be really good! In your defence, I think most people did and if he'd landed, in, I dunno *looks up year he was drafted* Columbus, or with the Islanders, he'd probably be better off. Even Montreal would have been a better fit for him, and I think Therrien is awful. But the "culture" in Edmonton was toxic, and they haven't done a good job of developing guys. McDavid's an exception because nobody could have stopped him from being great, unless somebody elbowed his brains into oblivion. I even think Taylor Hall had his development hurt by the way things were there.
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May 25, 2017 15:41
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Someone finally put together an easy web version of the NHLe Calculator if you want to easily compare top prospects https://nhlecalculator.blogspot.ca/2017/05/the-nhle-calculator-updated-24052017.html (huge disclaimer: NHLe isn't that great, but it gives you a decent starting point)
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May 25, 2017 16:06
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Pretty sure I want Calgary to go with a Defenceman, I definitely don't want Klim Kostin (the fact that he didn't do poo poo in the KHL or MHL is super concerning), which one mock had happening. I'd much rather pick Foote or Valimaki, or if they have to go forward, Nick Suzuki.
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May 25, 2017 16:14
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Duck Rodgers posted:I don't think NHLe works very well for European leagues. Laine was projected to get 17 points using NHLe. Laine put up 33 in 46 Liiga games which translates to an NHLe of almost exactly 25 points. He put up 64 in the NHL last year. NHLe isn't projecting into the future, just saying that what particular season would be equivalent to if they spent the season in the NHL. So taken like that, a jump from 25 points at 17 to 64 at 18 is quite reasonable. Laine also came on strong at the end of the year after being buried on the 4th line to start. If you use his playoff stats only, that's akin to a 30pt NHL season. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:17 on May 25, 2017 |
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May 25, 2017 16:14
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ThinkTank posted:Someone finally put together an easy web version of the NHLe Calculator if you want to easily compare top prospects I guess I should temper my excitement about this dude the Preds signed http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=176329
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May 25, 2017 16:55
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The draft combine is this week. I mention it entirely because I picked up my brother from the airport on Saturday and I realized after a few minutes I was standing next to the folks tasked with meeting the prospects as they got off the plane so I eavesdropped on their conversation. They were all in agreement that Matt Martin was a big reason the Leafs were back in the playoffs this year. That is all.
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May 29, 2017 14:28
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https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/870723388846874624 https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/870725357930000384 This, uh, explains a lot. I kinda think whoever takes Patrick will find a way to play him in the NHL so he can have NHL doctors Have some more rankings McKeen's posted:1 Nolan Patrick Future Considerations posted:1. Nolan Patrick
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Jun 3, 2017 02:25
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are mckeens the dumbasses that always rate the mega grinders in the top five or whatever
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Jun 3, 2017 07:54
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Verviticus posted:are mckeens the dumbasses that always rate the mega grinders in the top five or whatever Pretty they're sure that Mike McLeod as high as #2 for a period last year.
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Jun 3, 2017 14:49
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Hischier came in taller than I thought. Mittlestadt is having a Sam Bennett-esque day: https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status/871049486369476608 https://twitter.com/coreypronman/status/871053767311060992 corn on the cop fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jun 3, 2017 |
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Jun 3, 2017 18:18
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I can't think of a less important stat than reps on a bench press for a hockey player.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:54
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Well Sam Bennett couldn't even do a pull-up, and look how bad he is now.
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Jun 3, 2017 18:56
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Mind_Taker posted:I can't think of a less important stat than reps on a bench press for a hockey player. don't they do hand strength too? bench press is useless if you never take a slap shot, never push people around, etc, but you also don't want a roster full of that. maybe squats would be a better "raw power to push people out of the way" test. also interesting that they adjust the weight based on your height/weight/whatever. the replies to that tweet say around 100 lbs, and the nfl standard bench press is 225
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Jun 3, 2017 19:33
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How many did marner do. Not to body shame.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:58
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Flames website writer did a mock. It's uh, interesting. https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/mock-draft---george-johnson/c-289706278 I wouldn't mind Nick Suzuki though, unless there's something I should know about him
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Jun 3, 2017 20:49
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Flames website writer did a mock. It's uh, interesting. Interesting because he forgot a team?
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Jun 3, 2017 21:22
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Wonderllama posted:How many did marner do. Not to body shame. Apparently he managed to do 10 reps on the bench press and 11 pull-ups, but could only do 90lbs of pressure in the left- and right-hand grip strength, which was the worst in his draft year.
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Jun 3, 2017 23:24
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Flames website writer did a mock. It's uh, interesting. flames getting suzuki at 16 would make me pissed the gently caress off i can't imagine a team being stupid enough to take rasmussen BEFORE tippett Verviticus fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 03:22
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if the canucks somehow walk out with pettersson and boqvist i will say three (3) nice things about jim benning
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Jun 5, 2017 03:29
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Verviticus posted:flames getting suzuki at 16 would make me pissed the gently caress off I'd be angrier about your boys passing on Liljegren, personally. But I strongly doubt he'll last that long. Vegas, Buffalo, Vancouver, everything I've read on him suggests they'd be would be crazy to pass on him El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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Jun 5, 2017 03:53
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i have no real interest in liljegren. heiskanen is imo the best d in the draft and i might not even take him at 5 might even take makar over liljegren
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Jun 5, 2017 04:03
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the coyotes desperately need right shooting forwards and not so much defensive centermen with dvorak being good, richardson coming back, and hanzal able to re-sign. their right shot forward depth is vrbata/doan/pulkkinen/jooris and that's it
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Jun 5, 2017 04:04
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i'd like it very much if the rangers were to pick kostin or yamamoto at 21, where they will both be available by most projections. and i'd like for someone to take hague before then so that they don't get tempted, because that would be a very rangers pick. poehling would also be a very rangers pick and i don't know how i feel about him really, but a decent amount of projections i've seen have them taking him. or ratcliffe, who i don't really know anything about
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