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He's not bad, but at his rank he has to face all the top guys. Next tournament he'll be at M10 or so and do a lot better against inferior competition. There are quite a few second tier guys like that who do well at the lower ranks, but have horrible records when they get promoted and have to face all the Yokozuna.
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It also doesn't help that he's got a high center of gravity and is one-dimensional as gently caress, kind of like the opposite of Kotoshogiku. His tsuppari is pretty strong, but if someone gets a hold of his belt, 9 out of 10 times he's losing. And everybody he faces knows that. anakha fucked around with this message at 03:36 on May 25, 2017 |
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Aoiyama is going to bounce around mid Makuuchi for the rest of his career I think. It's still impressive to make it that high on the banzuke at all, nothing wrong with that.
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Awesome seeing Ura doing this well at his highest ranking ever (M10W). Day 14 and 15 should have him against folks higher up the table at this rate (Ikioi tomorrow) and it will be an interesting watch.
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Day 12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71XBHR1n8Wo Chiyonokuni-Yoshikaze for MOTN. Congrats to Takayasu on his impending promotion! ...and suddenly there's an opening in Sekiwake. It's been a good career Giku, but I think it's time. Terunofuji has been employing the 'be a strong motherfucker' tactic this week.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys4aGnkSQgE Tochinoshin-Shodai  Also Harumafuji-Takayasu
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Mary Annette posted:Takayasu yaaaaaay x100. Not only way the bout what I wanted to see but it was exciting to boot. There was a lot to see today. Super entertaining and competitive for the most part. I've never really watched a sport where I'm really watching every round regardless of whether I care about the participant or not; Until now. Even with hockey I'll tune out if I don't care about the team but the fact that these are thirty second bouts gives me a chance to watch everything. I'm really hoping to see some Sumo when I head up to Japan next year. I'll have to make sure I shift my trip to a tournament month, if tickets are relatively straightforward to get. If that's optimistic, is there a different series of tournaments I could try to attend?
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I remember a time where all I wanted to see was Hakuho not take the yusho so we'd have some more excitement near the top. But now I'm rooting for the guy because it's been long enough and he's still the GOAT. A little disappointing that we won't get a Hakuho v Kisenosato matchup in the process, though. Still a lot of excitement in the upper ranks and with the kids. New Ozeki Takayasu next basho, and Ura looks like he'll climb high enough to start going against sanyaku a lot more, as well as Hokutofuji if he wins his last couple. Shodai and Mitakeumi still look like future Ozeki. Exciting time to be following sumo - newcomers and veterans alike. If there was a special prize for tough-luck losers, poor Chiyonokuni deserves better than a 2-11 right now. He's been putting up a hell of a fight every time, but that's why M1 is part of the meatgrinder. Martytoof posted:I'm really hoping to see some Sumo when I head up to Japan next year. I'll have to make sure I shift my trip to a tournament month, if tickets are relatively straightforward to get. If that's optimistic, is there a different series of tournaments I could try to attend? Be sure to note where the tournament is for the month (odd months only), since they range anywhere from Tokyo to Kyushu. If you're getting the JR pass even Kyushu (November, and probably the most pleasant month to visit Japan) is fairly accessible from the Kansai area via shinkansen if you take a couple nights out of the way just for sumo. That one is probably the easiest for getting tickets, although it's also the furthest from central Japan. Tsaedje posted:Tamawashi just quietly plugging away, getting a year of kachikoshis under his belt, the last three at sekiwake Wow that's hella consistent. And yet, nowhere close to what's needed for Ozeki. Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 02:41 on May 27, 2017 |
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Tamawashi just quietly plugging away, getting a year of kachikoshis under his belt, the last three at sekiwake
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anakha posted:Hakuho is starting to remind me of NOAH-era Misawa as the slightly over the hill legend who wants to keep proving he's still on top. He reminds me of someone who just won't stop dominating.
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Day the 14th: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWmsf9uc2AE Can we give Tochinoshin the Henka of the Year Award? I had to laugh after that one. Hakuhou wins! Great match with Terunofuji, but Hak was due.
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A good day and a good tournament overall shame there's not really anything to play for on the final day, only Ishiura and Kaisei are on 7-7 and the tournament's won. Still, there's some good bouts to look forward to tomorrow -- personally, I'm looking forward to Mitakeumi-Shodai, Takayasu-Terunofuji and Goeido-Tamawashi: current and future Ozekis, as well as seeing if Hakuho can beat Harumafuji to get another 15-0 for the record books Sanyaku looks very crowded for next basho. I don't think they'll go for 3 Sekiwake again, so Yoshikaze will have to stay Komusubi unless Kotoshogiku retires. After all, it would be mean not to promote Mitakeumi twice in a row. Meanwhile in Juryo it seems the basho has been absurdly competitive: 22 out of 28 guys go into the final day with between 6 and 8 wins, and the best records are Nishigiki and Aminishiki on 9 And spare a thought for poor Hattorizakura down in Jonokuchi, he's now had 6 winless tournaments in a row and only the one win ever: this one, a year ago
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I completely forgot about the tournament until after day 11, I finally caught up today. For those who are following wakaichiro (young guy from Texas ranked East Jd52), He finished 4-3 in Jonidan and his matches can be easily found on youtube. He seems to have problems with a throw that he keeps attempting, every time he tries he fails and falls. He went into his last match 3-3 and henka'd for his KK.
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Tsaedje posted:Meanwhile in Juryo it seems the basho has been absurdly competitive: 22 out of 28 guys go into the final day with between 6 and 8 wins, and the best records are Nishigiki and Aminishiki on 9 This was a good tournament to have 9 or 10 losses near-ish the bottom of the banzuke, there are hardly any promotable guys in juryo. Myogiryu and Yutakayama will have to go down no matter what and Kaisei must win his last match, but Toyohibiki might be able to stay with a win and Kotoyuki may get lucky and hang in there even with a loss.
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Puckish Rogue posted:He reminds me of someone who just won't stop dominating. That was his peak, but from 2011-15 he was at least runner-up in all but two bashos. The last year has felt been weird without him constantly dominating, and I can't imagine what it's gonna feel like when he retires.
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Final Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wej7T3Nw1T8 Seems fitting that Hakuho-Harumafuji is the MOTN.
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A great bout to end the tournament on. July basho can't get here soon enough. Can't wait to see how Takeyasu handles himself as an Ozeki. I'm pulling for him, admittedly just out of the blue. A lot of fun to watch. And back to noob questions: What was the meaning behind the arrows the gyoji handed out after some bouts? Are those indicative of some of the special prizes being handed out?
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The Boss dominated again, we have a new Ozeki, and we have a lot of exciting youngsters. That was A Good Basho. Also lmao at Hakuho's baby: 
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Martytoof posted:And back to noob questions: What was the meaning behind the arrows the gyoji handed out after some bouts? Are those indicative of some of the special prizes being handed out? They are special prizes, just not the SPECIAL prizes (ie the sansho). The last three matches of the basho are called kore yori san-yaku. Before the matches, the three dudes on each side get up and do some shiko together - I don't know if Kintamiyama usually puts that in his digest. This is called sanyaku soroibumi. It looks cool if they're in sync, but somebody usually ruins it. The winner of each of these matches gets a prize called yaku-zumo ni kano. The winner of the first match gets arrows, the winner of the second gets a bow string and the winner of the third gets a bow. The bow, incidentally, is related to the bow dance at the end of each day - apparently some yokozuna was awarded the bow and improvised a dance on the dohyo to celebrate. (Thanks to Sumo Forum glossary for the proper terms - I always forget!)
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So does Kotoshogiku retire? I'm thinking yes? What about Myorigiru? Probably not?
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Kotoshigoku already has a share in the NSK, so he could retire and start as an elder whenever he wants. Myogiryu would either have to borrow one or leave sumo entirely if he retires.
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TotallyGreen posted:So does Kotoshogiku retire? I'm thinking yes? What about Myorigiru? Probably not? He might not retire because he was likely able to do just enough to stay in the Sanyaku. If he doesn't retire and gets the Komosubi slot, then it'll be the first time that the membership of the Sanyaku doesn't change in quite a while. I imagine he'll retire for sure once he's facing demotion into the rank and file.
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TotallyGreen posted:So does Kotoshogiku retire? I'm thinking yes? What about Myorigiru? Probably not? Myougiryuu's 'only' dropped to juryo, so he still gets most of the same privileges - and the salaried pay - as before. It's usually only when they drop down to makushita (and don't make it back up on the first try) that the older guys decide it's not worth the indignity of carrying on. So probably they're both staying on, but ultimately it's up to them and they might spring a surprise.
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Myogiryu dropping to Juryo is weird for me. I got into sumo around the end 2011 and the dude was just a rock in the m5 -> s range more or less the entire time. Seems like a sudden fall from grace without any obvious injury or other reason.
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I got into suno around the same time and thought he was gonna make ozeki. At some point Hakuho elbowed him in the jaw so hard that he went lights out for a full minute and he was never the same again. All that to say concussions are a hell of a thing.
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Having watched for a bit now I wonder just how bad the concussion problems in Sumo are. They clunk heads constantly and that is one of the big reasons linemen in football have so many issues and they wear helmets.
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remusclaw posted:Having watched for a bit now I wonder just how bad the concussion problems in Sumo are. They clunk heads constantly and that is one of the big reasons linemen in football have so many issues and they wear helmets. Well I guess bright side for sumo is that they're basically just hitting their foreheads together, and not having their heads thump around in helmets and getting hit on the back, sides, all that. Also, the big hits seem only to happen right at the takeoff. So worst case, they're getting a few shots every couple months as opposed to like 200 head clashes every week.
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Platypus Farm posted:Well I guess bright side for sumo is that they're basically just hitting their foreheads together, and not having their heads thump around in helmets and getting hit on the back, sides, all that. Also, the big hits seem only to happen right at the takeoff. So worst case, they're getting a few shots every couple months as opposed to like 200 head clashes every week. I've heard that one of the big problems is repeated minor impacts to the head, and all the slapping could really cause issues. I wonder how often you get slapped in the head in training. If its mostly something that happens in matches its probably okay, but if you're getting slapped in the head 10-20 times a day It could be really bad over years. I am not a neurologist though.
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That, and it's worth asking, how often do they bang heads in training? MMA is starting to realize that most of the nasty head trauma happens while sparring, not in competition.
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My gut feeling is that it is a lot better than MMA, Tsuppari really features only very rarely in training as far as I know. The tachiai is no joke though and that is practiced often. However, nobody will even start discussing things like PEDs so any type of CTE consideration is a long way off.
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a false posted:i also think (and certainly hope) that they've gotten this sort of poo poo out of the sport entirely by now Sadly, poo poo like that is part of why Brodi has already retired from the sport. Better, probably, but a long way from going away.
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The whole Brodi thing was a megamess. It was a smaller heya and the oyakata got accused of rerouting money to fund his wife's opera career (who is 20 years younger than him) then he ended up in dialysis after kidney failure. Also the technique training regimine sounded really weird so even if he hadn't been bullied (and the extent of that is completely unclear) I doubt he would have had much success there. Along with Michinoku, the stable Brodi was in Nishikido are probably bottom of the barrel. Shikihide is intentionally bad and don't count.
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I suppose it's likely better than MMA or Boxing where often the head is a repeated target.
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In case anyone was still wondering, we officially have an Ozeki Takayasu. He'll be a rock solid Ozeki. Reminds me of Kisenosato in his earlier Ozeki days in terms of power and stability, except much more of an oshi guy than a belt guy than Kisenosato is/was. Only appropriate since they're from the same heya.
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Is there any news on if Kisenosato is healing or getting surgery or anything? Seeing him fight with his hosed up arm is sad with how dominant he was all the way up to the injury.
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How many rikishi from Western European countries have had a run in Sumo? Like, what's the highest rank someone from the most unlikely country has attained? I ask this, because I recent came across this video of Schwingen, which is basically the Swiss version of Sumo wrestling. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ax6NdXmMqA&t=16s The similarities are interesting, though wrestling is wrestling in the end I guess.
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Uncle Jam posted:Shikihide is intentionally bad and don't count. Care to elaborate? I can't see the upside to this strategy, short of it being a tax write-off or something similar.
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