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Condiv posted:seems p ratfucked to me for the party to ignore their voters to install an anti-singlepayer chair in california quote:I believe that healthcare is a right for every single person in this country. I believe in Single-Payer Healthcare, and will work with our grassroots to make this an issue around which our entire party organizes. This is something I have lived and fought for my entire life, and it’s why I have the support of the United Nurses Associations of California and the National Union of Healthcare Workers. http://www.ericbauman.com/why-eric/ quote:By Eric C. Bauman, RN actually kind of funny is that the bernie-crew backed candidate also supported clinton last year Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 21:53 on May 30, 2017 |
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ex post facho posted:someone wanna give me a quick, succzoneish recap of "the ratfucking in california" We had somebody in this very thread who was a delegate posting about it in real time, and everything they posted about was supported by what was put in newspaper/TV accounts, did you just miss a few days?
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Main Paineframe posted:professional fundraiser who'd won a contested election once in his life ran for mayor on an uninteresting platform of tax cuts and business development, spent about as much money as his incumbent opponent, and lost anyway. the national party came in and endorsed him as part of a "unity tour", causing various interest groups to cry foul, and the resulting flailing drew attention away from his locally-focused platform and toward national wedge issues in a perfect demonstration of why the grassroots needs to work from the bottom up rather than the top down those groups had no reason or cause to cry foul though, and twisted mello's positions to make him look like an anti-choice texas senator. even when mello's real positions came out, the noise over mello didn't die down until bernie specifically said "vote for ossoff". then it switched to bernie's a monster cause he didn't endorse fast enough
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deadgoon posted:both parties are the same how dare you say that! tu abuela wanted to make sure our drones had smiley faces painted on them! see? kissinger hated that idea so clearly that's a crucial difference between her and tronk.
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Condiv posted:those groups had no reason or cause to cry foul though, and twisted mello's positions to make him look like an anti-choice texas senator. even when mello's real positions came out, the noise over mello didn't die down until bernie specifically said "vote for ossoff". then it switched to bernie's a monster cause he didn't endorse fast enough they had reasons to cry foul you may not like those reasons, or you may be too stupid to comprehend those reasons, but that just puts you on the same level as idiots who don't understand why Bernie is reluctant to endorse some Dems
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:how dare you say that! tu abuela wanted to make sure our drones had smiley faces painted on them! p sure the democrats wouldn't have been rounding up our friends and neighbors into ICE vans as we speak tho
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Concerned Citizen posted:http://www.ericbauman.com/why-eric/ it's cool that he says he's a lifelong supporter of singlepayer and then his lackeys constantly make tweets undermining it: https://twitter.com/stevenmaviglio/status/866713338817921024
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May 30, 2017 21:58
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altho as an accelerationist, it's good that children have been orphaned by ICE because it's more likely to radicalize them
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Main Paineframe posted:they had reasons to cry foul what were they? and why did they need to paint his stances as worse than kaine's?
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lol ICE doesn't even have any more money for the legal department, and it's all gone into nazis on the ground arresting people during public events. ICE is pretty much ACORN to Dems going forward, if the Dems ever return to power, what we knew as ICE will no longer exist.
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May 30, 2017 22:00
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Condiv posted:seems p ratfucked to me for the party to ignore their voters to install an anti-singlepayer chair in california seems they paid attention to their voters since berniecrats only got 1/3rd?
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Rand alPaul posted:JEB! saving his money for 2020 Thoguh posted:I would like the democrats to win we don't want democrats to win merely because they're "democrats", we want them to win because they're lefties, no matter what banner they use 
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wonder what it's like to have your every word and action cause people to completely lose their poo poo for every reason and no reason
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Condiv posted:it's cool that he says he's a lifelong supporter of singlepayer and then his lackeys constantly make tweets undermining it: so on one hand you have one guy's tweet, on the other: quote:HARD TRUTH: I supported SB 562 before the bill was even assigned a number, as I laid out months ago in my op-ed, “Make California a Healthcare Sanctuary State.” you have every progressive working on single payer supporting bauman seems like his credentials are in order on this
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got any sevens posted:saving his money for 2020 i would rather all statists get crushed by a really really big rock but im forced to support the lesser evil of progressivism
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Al! posted:p sure the democrats wouldn't have been rounding up our friends and neighbors into ICE vans as we speak tho obama already kinda was... deadgoon posted:both parties are the same https://youtu.be/llLKar19XhA
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Al! posted:p sure the democrats wouldn't have been rounding up our friends and neighbors into ICE vans as we speak tho and I am sure obama's third term was going to be a radical departure from the continuation of bush-era policies with fingerprinting people at the border before turning them away to send a message instead of actually doing something to reform immigration policies, but that end-of-history francis fukiyama bullshit that she, he, and the rest of the bad dems bought into meant that they would only keep the system as it stood on the same course instead of piloting it away from the whirlpool in which we now find ourselves.
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but all that political capital tho. (which for all it was worth, his political capital and 750 tickets would have got us a novelty pencil at chucky cheese)
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Condiv posted:what were they? and why did they need to paint his stances as worse than kaine's? because the outcome of his election would have zero impact on abortion rights, so they didn't care at all who won, which made it a perfect opportunity to threaten the national party when their unity tour came through. much like how there are suck zoners who say they hope Ossoff loses because it'll have no impact on anything anyway, even though those same posters still swallowed their bile and voted for Hillary last year because Trump scary
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:and I am sure obama's third term was going to be a radical departure from the continuation of bush-era policies with fingerprinting people at the border before turning them away to send a message instead of actually doing something to reform immigration policies, but that end-of-history francis fukiyama bullshit that she, he, and the rest of the bad dems bought into meant that they would only keep the system as it stood on the same course instead of piloting it away from the whirlpool in which we now find ourselves. otoh people are being dragged from their homes, rounded up and shipped to camps with the best outcome being that they're dumped into a country they've never lived in as an adult with the rest of their family thousands of miles away
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Al! posted:otoh people are being dragged from their homes, rounded up and shipped to camps with the best outcome being that they're dumped into a country they've never lived in as an adult with the rest of their family thousands of miles away https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312?lang=en
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Concerned Citizen posted:so on one hand you have one guy's tweet, on the other: that one guy (steve maviglio) is literally the california dem party spokesman he's not just some guy
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Al! posted:otoh people are being dragged from their homes, rounded up and shipped to camps with the best outcome being that they're dumped into a country they've never lived in as an adult with the rest of their family thousands of miles away wow sounds like u got a bad case of ~~~mattering~~~ what happened did u go on a milk binge
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Condiv posted:that one guy (steve maviglio) is literally the california dem party spokesman yes and eric bauman appointing a longtime dem operative to a position he's qualified for, despite being on opposite sides on the single payer bill, doesn't negate decades of advocacy for it even remotely. you might even say it was pragmatic
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Al! posted:otoh people are being dragged from their homes, rounded up and shipped to camps with the best outcome being that they're dumped into a country they've never lived in as an adult with the rest of their family thousands of miles away and if hillary clinton was genuinely concerned about that, she would have been a better candidate. but she wasn't. gently caress, she couldn't even face her fans when she lost. but, hey, like you said: at least accelerationism will surely make radicals of them, I'm sure. the ones still alive, at any rate.
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Concerned Citizen posted:pragmatic you watch your mouth
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Condiv posted:seems p ratfucked to me for the party to ignore their voters to install an anti-singlepayer chair in california It's pure insanity to advocate for single payer according to very dishonest cruel Hillfolk. Just like what the Tea Party did!
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Main Paineframe posted:because the outcome of his election would have zero impact on abortion rights, so they didn't care at all who won, which made it a perfect opportunity to threaten the national party when their unity tour came through. much like how there are suck zoners who say they hope Ossoff loses because it'll have no impact on anything anyway, even though those same posters still swallowed their bile and voted for Hillary last year because Trump scary but that still leaves them torpedoing mello's election cause bernie endorsed him. and perez going along with it. no matter how you slice it, it was a dumb move even if you try to remove the "attack bernie" angle from what happened. but attacking bernie was the whole point besides, it wasn't naral that initiated the attacks, it was the WSJ http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/...8bc68ea31e.html quote:Her criticism was part of the national backlash after a Thursday article in the Wall Street Journal that pointed out Mello’s opposition to abortion. quote: Instead, on April 19, The Wall Street Journal ran a story noting that Mello, a practicing Catholic, is pro-life. The story also falsely claimed that Mello had co-sponsored a bill “requiring women to look at an ultrasound image of their fetus before receiving an abortion.” A similar error was made by The Washington Post, which claimed that Mello had “previously backed a bill requiring ultrasounds for women considering abortions,” and then again the following day by David Nir, political director of Daily Kos, who announced the site was withdrawing its endorsement of Mello—a move applauded by Ilyse Hogue, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, who’d launched a 12-part Twitter storm linking to the WSJ article and accusing Sanders and Perez of kicking off their tour with the message “shame women; we’ll support u anyway.” basically naral stuck their nose in after dems bought wholesale lies from the WSJ about one of their own candidates. and the reason dems didn't bother to take a jaundiced look at WSJ sourced claims was cause they made a guy bernie supported look bad
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:and if hillary clinton was genuinely concerned about that, she would have been a better candidate. i wish i had an effigy to burn every time i was mildly backed into a corner
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Concerned Citizen posted:yes and eric bauman appointing a longtime dem operative to a position he's qualified for, despite being on opposite sides on the single payer bill, doesn't negate decades of advocacy for it even remotely. and when said spokeperson starts speaking out publicly against singlepayer, is that pragmatic? cause it seems to me like it would cloud bauman's pro-singlepayer message to have his spokesman tooling around telling everyone that singlepayer isn't achievable. i mean, maybe i'm not familiar enough with this spokesperson thing, but i thought the idea as the public face of the party was to espouse the party's ideals in public, not your own.
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