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emanresu tnuocca posted:So it's a bit odd that Moira was sent to the brothel rather than back to being a bipedal womb given that she's allegedly fertile and all. Ofglen hadn't actually assaulted anyone. Her crimes were nonviolent.
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Do we know what happened to Ofglen after she took that car and drove over a guy?
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radlum posted:Do we know what happened to Ofglen after she took that car and drove over a guy? Not yet. They didn't show her being killed so they might come back to her.
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There Bias Two posted:Ofglen hadn't actually assaulted anyone. Her crimes were nonviolent. Then again, Moria and June both assaulted that one Aunt in their escape attempt. They both received punishment once they were caught. It's just weird that Moria wasn't sent back to the Red Center. Somehow, she was branded as a bad apple. It just isn't clear where Gilead's lines are regarding rebellious Handmaids.
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Thwomp posted:Then again, Moria and June both assaulted that one Aunt in their escape attempt. They both received punishment once they were caught. She assaulted someone with a deadly weapon and escaped the center. I think the line is pretty clear. Why would it be weird not to send her back?
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Jun 1, 2017 14:09
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It seemed that she was implying they weren't sending her back because she could have too dangerous an influence on the remaining handmaids. Makes sense that they would want to keep her influence away from them.
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Maybe I'm not remembering it correctly. Was it only Moira who assaulted the Aunt? I thought June did as well. Maybe it's more that Moira escaped, found the Underground, and was then captured. Joining/having knowledge of the Underground may be a step too far for the authorities.
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Jun 1, 2017 14:23
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I did like that June's makeup and dress were super tacky.
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I never thought they'd make her exploitation "worse" than the "ritual" but whelp. Taking her there was what, a veiled threat? A misapprehension that as a "fallen woman" before Gilead she'd be more comfortable around her own? Gross. The "who are they" exchange. First he thinks she's asking about the Important Men, then when she clarifies the question he seems positively thrilled with how they brought successful women low, like the wormiest r/redpill poster living out his fantasy. Man this show.
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yeah that part was gross: "we have a CEO here, a renowned sociology professor..." Jesus.
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Skizzzer posted:yeah that part was gross: "we have a CEO here, a renowned sociology professor..." Jesus. I commented on another board about alot of redpill posters would love Gilead. Which is...really horrifying
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Agentdark posted:I commented on another board about alot of redpill posters would love Gilead. Which is...really horrifying Of course they assume that they would be among the elite who are assigned women to rape.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:48
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withak posted:Of course they assume that they would be among the elite who are assigned women to rape. They'd be purged.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:53
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I guess it would depend on how sincerely they followed the Dick Dorkens Internet Atheism that tends to go with that kind of thing. I am sufficiently cynical about the depths of their convictions to believe they'd be willing enough converts to pay lip service to the Sons of Jacob if they thought it got them any status or authority to do bad things to people they felt deserve it.
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There Bias Two posted:They'd be purged. I like that they're alluding to (book spoiler) the first set of purges that they mention in the epilogue, where Waterford is killed for being in possession of illegal material and "harboring a subversive" My guess is the season will end with some of that stuff as opposed to what happens at the end of the book.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:05
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business hammocks posted:Dick Dorkins calls himself a "cultural Christian" now. Ha, I did not know that, but if the Reddit Atheist Pope will go along to get along that sorta proves my thesis.
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Jun 1, 2017 18:06
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From CSPAMan actual dog posted:I’m Kind Of Into “The Handmaid’s Tale” Life TBH
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Jun 1, 2017 19:14
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MizPiz posted:From CSPAM Honestly I'm not surprised by this. There are people who would rather go through life with zero autonomy than be forced to make decisions and hold responsibilities.
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Jun 1, 2017 19:29
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A thought that's been occupying me as I think of the show: Obviously Gilead is going at it very wrong, but how would you deal with a global infertility pandemic as a government the "right" way, starting with the basic assumptions: (1) Continuity of the species at at least as close to replacement birth rate as you can manage is desirable; and indeed a paramount goal to avoid extinction or regression as a species and (2) Individual liberty, agency, and respect for affirmative consent have an incredibly high moral/ethical value and should be maintained Spitballing an answer: - Cash incentive for government-sponsored fertility testing. No obligation for individuals to act on this information, but it would allow citizens to seek out other fertile partners - Significant stipend and benefits for having children. In addition to taking care of the basic needs there would be a regular cash award over and above maintenance of the kid - Heavily subsidized and incentivized adoption for both the birth and adoptive families Like to the level of "well I don't like kids but if I have one and give it up that's enough to pay off my car note" or w/e Basically making use of the carrot versus the stick. I haven't thought these through all the way and maybe there are perverse incentives that would lead to a nightmare state in my dumb three-point plan, but it's an interesting thought experiment.
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In a future where 90-95% of the population becomes infertile, you're pretty much looking at end times. What's the point of listening to the government if the government won't be there in a generation? Same for the economy. It's total societal collapse. Edit: even if the government took extraordinary measures to ensure the survival of the nation, you're still looking at gigantic economic shifts as workers age out of the workforce and there's only 1 worker to replace every 10. The global trade system contracts to a tiny fraction of a percentage of what it was. And who's to say children born in this era fertile like their parents? Then you're looking at the end of mankind within a few generations. Thwomp fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Thwomp posted:In a future where 90-95% of the population becomes infertile, you're pretty much looking at end times. What's the point of listening to the government if the government won't be there in a generation? Same for the economy. It's total societal collapse. It's attitudes like this that are going to make me declare martial law and set up forced conception camps. 
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:that cannot be real It really impeaches the journalistic integrity of totalsororitymove.com
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Jun 1, 2017 20:08
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Baron Porkface posted:It really impeaches the journalistic integrity of totalsororitymove.com I mean the author waxes about the benefits of guaranteed sex with a hot dude, but enjoying something that deliberately joyless and mechanistic would have to be a really particular kink.
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Jun 1, 2017 20:10
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The human race was a giant mistake anyway, tbh. It's not really worth the effort of saving.
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business hammocks posted:The human race was a giant mistake anyway, tbh. It's not really worth the effort of saving. I don't disagree which is why I included the caveat for the thought experiment that we take the normie position that humanity continuing is good and cool.
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business hammocks posted:The human race was a giant mistake anyway, tbh. It's not really worth the effort of saving. The correct opinion.
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I haven't felt as connected to the show in the past couple episodes with their male-centric origin stories, moreso a problem this week than last. I just don't find Nick to be a strong character or the actor to be very talented. Admittedly, the entire brothel experience with June was horrifying. I wouldn't know how to process any of that in her position.
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Jesus that brothel was terrifying. That bit about them collecting women like ceo's, journalists, and professors made me feel sick. I can agree that it's getting pretty male centric, but I think they're just trying to give everyone an episode of development right now. I think it'll get better once we get a bit further in.
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I do appreciate the back story into Nick's and lucas' lives simply because I think it's worthwhile to also explore the damaging effects of a society like Gilead's on men and families. also, speaking as a man, I found I could easily and readily emphasize with lucas' story - whereas with the other episodes I'm horrified, angry - but more like sympathetic but not empathetic, like an observer if you know what I mean. with the Lucas episode I could picture my place in the story (or prob just dead) the nick centered one was like eh, okay, though.
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Skizzzer posted:I do appreciate the back story into Nick's and lucas' lives simply because I think it's worthwhile to also explore the damaging effects of a society like Gilead's on men and families. I've had similar revelations and it's always a very creepy thing to realize. It basically validates every argument ever made about diversity in storytelling and film production.
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I'm always skeptical of changes to the source material, but I do like how they are filling in the ambiguity of the book. I've found it all pretty compelling so far - Nick's background, Luke's fate, Sons of Jacob, June and Luke's escape attempt etc. I do hope we get a similar treatment of Aunt Lydia and the daughter's new adopted life under the regime. We've seen all the major plot points of the book almost and we have two episodes left I think. So maybe we'll see some of that this season. I'll spoiler the rest but what I'm thinking is: next episode we'll have Serena finding lipstick on the blue coat. Maybe the music box gift is foreshadowing Serena feeling betrayed by Offred and reporting her. Offred's narration seems more like an inner dialogue than a recorded account of what was happening, and another season is planned. So I doubt the season finale will be a future university lecture about the tapes but probably ends with Offred being taken away in a van fate unknown. That gives us season 2 with Offred's escape, unrest and a purge in Gilead leading to the Commander's execution for harbouring Nick who aided Offred's escape, maybe some insight into the colonies, battlegrounds in Chicago and the south, etc.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Ha, I did not know that, but if the Reddit Atheist Pope will go along to get along that sorta proves my thesis. Ubiquitous_ posted:I haven't felt as connected to the show in the past couple episodes with their male-centric origin stories, moreso a problem this week than last. I just don't find Nick to be a strong character or the actor to be very talented.
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MizPiz posted:From CSPAM an actual dog posted:I’m Kind Of Into “The Handmaid’s Tale” Life TBH Tonight while watching the new episode I was thinking "there has to be some shitlords out there enjoying this for all the wrong reasons" but this is not what I imagined.
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Tiggum posted:The big problem with Nick's background is that it didn't really illuminate anything. I still don't know if he's a true believer or just going along with it. I don't really know what his situation was like before. He seems to have had the same job since right at the beginning, except that now he's also a spy. He's just a really shallow, uninteresting character. He's a shallow, uninteresting person. That's exactly what the flashback showed. He's not particularly motivated, but easily manipulated. He's just a life-long loser, the same type of shithead who becomes a klansmen or a brownshirt. I seriously doubt there was anything interesting or nuanced about the lives Cletus 'the knight' or Otto the gate guard at Treblinka, just your average, everyday fucksticks who are content to look at the cash and the sense of 'meaning' it gives or gave to their empty lives, not the hatemachine it spits out of.
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jfood posted:He's a shallow, uninteresting person. That's exactly what the flashback showed. He's not particularly motivated, but easily manipulated. He's just a life-long loser, the same type of shithead who becomes a klansmen or a brownshirt. I seriously doubt there was anything interesting or nuanced about the lives Cletus 'the knight' or Otto the gate guard at Treblinka, just your average, everyday fucksticks who are content to look at the cash and the sense of 'meaning' it gives or gave to their empty lives, not the hatemachine it spits out of. I mean, sure, but we don't need a series of flashbacks to tell us that. It was already evident.
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Emily (formerly Ofglen) has proven fertility - she had her son. Moira has functioning ovaries, but has never grown a fetus to term.
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Jun 2, 2017 12:01
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MizPiz posted:From CSPAM Eh, this reads like an attempt at satire from someone who doesn't understand what satire is?
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Thwomp posted:In a future where 90-95% of the population becomes infertile, you're pretty much looking at end times. What's the point of listening to the government if the government won't be there in a generation? Same for the economy. It's total societal collapse. See: Children of Men.
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