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This seems like a pointless conversation because no one knows how fast threadripper can run on all cores, I'm sure it's higher than 3GHz flat, and no one knows how fast Skylake-X can run on all cores. If you're using a 16-core CPU for gaming you're probably overclocking the thing, crazy TDP be damned. If threadripper really maxes out at 3GHz it's a bad gaming chip but if it maxes out at like 3.7GHz+ it's just way overkill for the application. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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MaxxBot posted:This seems like a pointless conversation because no one knows how fast threadripper can run on all cores, I'm sure it's higher than 3GHz flat, and no one knows how fast Skylake-X can run on all cores. If you're using a 16-core CPU for gaming you're probably overclocking the thing, crazy TDP be damned. Exactly, discussing TR vs SL-X is pointless until we know IPC, maximum frequencies and actual thermals.
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Jun 1, 2017 19:53
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Better AMD news, R7 prices are dropped. 1800X: $469 1700X: $349 1700: $319 https://www.techpowerup.com/233966/amd-trims-prices-of-the-ryzen-7-1700-and-1700x
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Jun 1, 2017 20:41
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when is the wraith max going to show up
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Jun 1, 2017 21:37
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:when is the wraith max going to show up right after I buy a wraith-max-suited chip without it, probably
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NewFatMike posted:Better AMD news, R7 prices are dropped. So if they are doing price cuts to the top end of the r7s does that mean threadripper could be coming in at crazy prices vs intels offerings?
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Jun 1, 2017 23:35
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Scarecow posted:So if they are doing price cuts to the top end of the r7s does that mean threadripper could be coming in at crazy prices vs intels offerings? A brick of gold is coming in at a crazy price vs what intel offers.
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NewFatMike posted:Better AMD news, R7 prices are dropped. Microcenter has 1700x bundles with a B350 board sub $350  that's mental
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Jun 2, 2017 00:29
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Maybe the rumors of amd getting crazy high yeilds is true then
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Scarecow posted:Maybe the rumors of amd getting crazy high yeilds is true then 
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Scarecow posted:Maybe the rumors of amd getting crazy high yeilds is true then This was the hope with zen smaller dies on an interposer for mondo yields.
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wargames posted:This was the hope with zen smaller dies on an interposer for mondo yields. I have an ex-AMD friend who says that yield-friendly design was one of the priorities for Zen. Grain of salt, but he's damned smart and worked on Zen.
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NewFatMike posted:Better AMD news, R7 prices are dropped. Now that's tempting.
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http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=290705&postcount=594 TR Price rumors by a guy who had insider info in the past. It'd match the picture of Ryzen 7 price drops and rumors of high yields. He also predicts more Ryzen price cuts in the coming months. 12C/24T $500-550 16C/32T $750-850 https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870388109812355072 That would explain why the Intel seminar slides 5 days before the launch showed Basin Falls maxing out at 12 cores. Intel never intended to bring the HCC (high core count) Xeons to HEDT, which explains the delays for the 14C+ CPUs. Thanks AMD  edit: https://www.golem.de/news/amd-threadripper-180-watt-64-lanes-32-threads-16-kerne-13-sekunden-4-ghz-1706-128175.html 12/14/16 cores, "well over 3 GHz on all cores", 4 GHz single core, 180W TDP, end of July. eames fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Not sure if I'm even buying a CPU this year but I'm more excited about CPUs than I have been in a long time, didn't think we'd be seeing 12-core desktop CPUs for $500 anytime soon.
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Woooow they're gonna sell a bunch of them even if the mobo's cost $300+ a pop. I wonder what the actual server stuff is gonna cost if they're willing to drive prices this low on the desktop side. If production costs are that low and yields are really are super high they can sell for very high discount vs competing Intel products and still make more money than they've dreamed of in years.
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 If that 16C price is true, I don't think I'll give too much of a poo poo about interconnect latencies. Gaming makes up only a fraction of all workloads.
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Yeah what AMD is doing here is remarkable. 8C/16T CPUs will soon become ubiquitous with these price cuts and the potential is there if the rumors are remotely true. If a 16C threadripper really costs them $120 (  ) they could cut 1800X prices to compete with a 4C/4T 7600K and still have a healthy profit margin as their R&D costs are spread out across the entire CPU (desktop, hedt, server and mobile) lineup.This will eventually have an effect on the way programmers design future workloads. eames fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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If this is true, zen is even more disruptive then we thought and amd might be profitable one day. https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870621722051063808 https://twitter.com/BitsAndChipsEng/status/870597420958326788 wargames fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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more evidence that TR caught Intel with their pants down:Raja@Asus posted:The [Skylake-X] 18-core CPUs are not scheduled until later this year. Won't have them for a while. Either way, unless you're using the rig for rendering or encoding to make a living, no need. (ironically what we really need is a AMD/Intel Threadmerger  )
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Such a stark contrast from the GPU goings-on. AMD is truly back in the game with those prices. We've been saying Intel needed competition for ages; they finally have it.
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Vega is the new bulldozer.
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Bulldozer actually happened tho
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My brother has a FX system. I still laugh at him for it. I was literally going to ask what was going on with R3 especially in relation to the price drop...and that answers that question.
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wargames posted:If this is true, zen is even more disruptive then we thought and amd might be profitable one day.
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Tr4 mini itx when
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wargames posted:If this is true, zen is even more disruptive then we thought and amd might be profitable one day. Ah, so THAT'S why Raja isn't standing in line for unemployment yet.
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There is no way Threadripper and Eypc don't get picked up for enterprise and worskatation use at these prices, it's literally AMD CPU+MB ≤ Intel CPU. Knowing AMD, they'd throw in discounts for buying completely from them, so that means more GPU sales and more sales of their rebranded SSDs and memory. Has AMD made any moves to either source Qualcomm or acquire their own for ethernet controllers? The HBCC memory controller AMD is talking about has me thinking, could AMD turn HBM2 into a nonvolatile storage medium, or even a PCIE Ramdisk?
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Ah, so THAT'S why Raja isn't standing in line for unemployment yet. The thing is that $500 chip with $150 in direct variable costs has a completely stupid amount of R&D associated to it, probably to the tune of $100-150, depending on projected volume. The margins on the chips isn't that great once you figure in all the other poo poo they need to do to get the the point where they can make one. FaustianQ posted:The HBCC memory controller AMD is talking about has me thinking, could AMD turn HBM2 into a nonvolatile storage medium, or even a PCIE Ramdisk? HBM is too expensive AND too fast to justify a PCIE ramdisk. A dual channel DDR4 memory controller attached to a PCIE bridge chip would saturate even a 16x PCIE 3.0 channel. Methylethylaldehyde fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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FaustianQ posted:There is no way Threadripper and Eypc don't get picked up for enterprise and worskatation use at these prices, it's literally AMD CPU+MB ≤ Intel CPU. Knowing AMD, they'd throw in discounts for buying completely from them, so that means more GPU sales and more sales of their rebranded SSDs and memory. Has AMD made any moves to either source Qualcomm or acquire their own for ethernet controllers? Doubtful amd is going into that line of research but look at what intel is doing with cross point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsmoHsB6ITc
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That sucks, was hoping they'd be able to leverage the TSV and HBM research into other areas to recoup costs and expand their market.
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These motherboard chipset conventions are getting a little ridiculous. Intel has the X299 chipset, so we'll call our competing chipset the X399. That will show them.
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VulgarandStupid posted:These motherboard chipset conventions are getting a little ridiculous. Intel has the X299 chipset, so we'll call our competing chipset the X399. That will show them. AMD did steal the FE short hand from Nvidia so everyone steals everything.
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FaustianQ posted:There is no way Threadripper and Eypc don't get picked up for enterprise and worskatation use at these prices, it's literally AMD CPU+MB ≤ Intel CPU. Knowing AMD, they'd throw in discounts for buying completely from them, so that means more GPU sales and more sales of their rebranded SSDs and memory. Has AMD made any moves to either source Qualcomm or acquire their own for ethernet controllers? Couldn't AMDs core counts work against them in an enterprise setting? Given that SQL and OS vendors now charge per-core licensing, you could end up saving tons of money by buying the multi-thousand dollar 8 core frequency optimized Intel Xeons with fewer, much faster cores than a basic 16 or 32 core AMD chip.
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Twerk from Home posted:Couldn't AMDs core counts work against them in an enterprise setting? Given that SQL and OS vendors now charge per-core licensing, you could end up saving tons of money by buying the multi-thousand dollar 8 core frequency optimized Intel Xeons with fewer, much faster cores than a basic 16 or 32 core AMD chip. The most important enterprise wins will be companies like Google and Facebook, I don't think either of them worries about licensing because they run their own stacks. FaustianQ posted:The HBCC memory controller AMD is talking about has me thinking, could AMD turn HBM2 into a nonvolatile storage medium, or even a PCIE Ramdisk? eames fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Alright, I parted out a pair of identical machines for the two munchkins. Anyone mind casting an eye over and making sure I've not hosed anything up? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G3bVQV (holy poo poo, I spoil these two way too goddamn much.)
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Alright, I parted out a pair of identical machines for the two munchkins. Anyone mind casting an eye over and making sure I've not hosed anything up? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G3bVQV Those look fine to me, though I'd probably let them pick out cases from a list so they can get something that looks the way they want.
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Don't you want your ram clocked up as fast as it can go for Ryzen chips? That's the only concern I see but I haven't kept up on things.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Alright, I parted out a pair of identical machines for the two munchkins. Anyone mind casting an eye over and making sure I've not hosed anything up? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G3bVQV I'd bump the ram to 16gb, just because 2x8 is way better than eventually getting 4x4.
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havenwaters posted:Don't you want your ram clocked up as fast as it can go for Ryzen chips? That's the only concern I see but I haven't kept up on things. While this is true the money spent on faster RAM would likely be better spent elsewhere considering how high RAM prices are. 16GB of RAM would be a good idea, but that would also be pretty expensive. A 16GB version of that system would cost $700, a 16GB system with DDR4-3200 would cost $740 so across two systems you are looking at either $60 more total for slower RAM or $140 more total for the fast RAM. However I would spring for the 16GB of slower RAM, mostly because I just noticed that the mobo only has 2x RAM slots.
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