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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXi9Zc_4Om4 New general-promo clip, a couple new gods who haven't been seen yet. Something that occurred to me, and maybe this is old hat for you book readers, but is "gods" a metaphor for "culture?" Everyone who comes to American brings their culture from their home country, but in coming to America, the old culture is never the same, it takes on a bastardized new form, distinct from the original culture in their homelands; Irish culture in America is different from how it is in Ireland, for example. But all of these old cultures and now being forgotten and left behind by new cultures that are sprouting up natively in America, cultures that are less humanizing: internet culture, media culture, military-industrial-complex culture. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Clip from episode 6, minor spoilers of upcoming god 
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Jun 2, 2017 00:37
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Steve Yun posted:Something that occurred to me, and maybe this is old hat for you book readers, but is "gods" a metaphor for "culture?" Everyone who comes to American brings their culture from their home country, but in coming to America, the old culture is never the same, it takes on a bastardized new form, distinct from the original culture in their homelands; Irish culture in America is different from how it is in Ireland, for example. But all of these old cultures and now being forgotten and left behind by new cultures that are sprouting up natively in America, cultures that are less humanizing: internet culture, media culture, military-industrial-complex culture. Yeah dude, I can't not sound like a huge dick but this isn't even subtext. This is text. This is exactly what it is.
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Jun 2, 2017 00:40
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Sorry for being dense, I'm new to this and was only thinking about it from a strictly religious perspective
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Jun 2, 2017 00:44
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Hell yes.
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Jun 2, 2017 01:12
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Sweet. I was afraid it was going the other way and would be La Llorana or something.
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Jun 2, 2017 01:43
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God ( ) I love every new promo clip, they also do their job quite well and make the wait for the next episode even harder.Oh and  Neil's hair in that first clip.
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Jun 2, 2017 02:08
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Yet another clip from episode 6 showing a god I posted earlier Laffo @ Vulcan hanging out with a militia group
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Jun 2, 2017 02:09
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Steve Yun posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXi9Zc_4Om4 Hell yes I need more Orlando Jones.
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Jun 2, 2017 02:14
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Steve Yun posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXi9Zc_4Om4 Techno Boy visiting Bilquis in... jail? That's interesting.
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Jun 2, 2017 13:05
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The ODIN missile wouldn't have created Korean Odin (or at least, not done that INSTEAD of making Wednesday powerful) because the belief generally flows from the people doing the killing, not the ones being killed. There would be headlines literally saying "ODIN kills 6 million Koreans" and I think that would genuinely have helped Wednesday. The point is that he was never gonna take the offer no matter what it was because... him and Loki are running a con. It doesn't matter if the offer "would have worked" or not, it was an entirely false offer and neither of them cared about how plausible it was. They just had to distract Media and PewDiePius.
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Jun 2, 2017 13:19
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precision posted:The point is that he was never gonna take the offer no matter what it was because... him and Loki are running a con. It doesn't matter if the offer "would have worked" or not, it was an entirely false offer and neither of them cared about how plausible it was. They just had to distract Media and PewDiePius. Casting PewDiePie as techno god would have been some sweet meta poo poo.
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Jun 2, 2017 15:56
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COOL CORN posted:Techno Boy visiting Bilquis in... jail? That's interesting. No I think that was in the past, Bilquis on the streets, having lost all her followers. Techno boy turned her onto Tinder, and that's what we are seeing now in the show
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Jun 2, 2017 16:27
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Steve Yun posted:My understanding: Mr Wednesday would be rebranded as the American Odin, they'd figure out some way to go to war with North Korea and blow them up. North Korea dies. The Odin satellite gets all this praise for being an awesome missile satellite and therefore American Odin gets power again, but subservient to Mr World, Media and Technical Boy since he will be operating as a tool of American globalism and needing Media and Technical Boy for PR. A Korean Odin probably has already existed for a thousand years for the same reason there's an American Odin.
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Jun 2, 2017 17:50
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Also, Odin accepts human sacrifice in the form of violent deaths in battles dedicated to him, the dedication of which is usually throwing a spear onto the field and yelling that you dedicate the battle to Odin. Missiles would be super efficient at that.
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Jun 2, 2017 17:53
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Steve Yun posted:
Yeah, some "gods" (especially the new ones) are neither actual gods nor worshipped in the strict sense. In fact that's one of the main ideas of the book, that people will always "worship" anything and move on unapologetically, leaving old customs and traditions behind.
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Jun 2, 2017 19:07
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My Lovely Horse posted:That's veering quite close to Warren Ellis' Jenny Sparks, the spirit of the 20th century, who is the manifestation of electricity. Not that someone shouldn't make Authority and, while we're at it, Planetary shows. Nah, Authority should be a series of movies. That was the whole widescreen aesthetic they were shooting for. With the success of R rated violence heavy superhero flicks of late, Authority could actually work in today's market as a trilogy of movies, say. Planetary, on the other hand, has the stuff to be an anthology style TV show.
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Jun 2, 2017 19:33
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In case you all wanted to know what town Neil Gaiman saw that Vulcan statue in, it was Birmingham Alabama. There's a relatively weird history associated with the statue too, since the Italian artist gave him a loincloth that didn't cover his rear end and the pearl clutching southerners found it too titillating to be placed in the center of town as originally planned: http://porterbriggs.com/meet-vulcan-the-bare-bottomed-mascot-of-birmingham/
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Jun 3, 2017 07:13
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I hope they include, in the coming series', the dead centre of America.
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Jun 3, 2017 10:20
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I kinda like the running non-spoiler thread idea that Mr. World is the shadow government more than the actual twist.
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Jun 3, 2017 14:36
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I kinda like the running non-spoiler thread idea that Mr. World is the shadow government more than the actual twist. Gaiman could be pulling a con of his own and that could end up being true, for all we know at this point!
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Jun 3, 2017 15:11
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I have to say I really like the Laura scene with Audrey Honestly this is better than the book as an adaptation
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Jun 3, 2017 15:14
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The book is kind of objectively bad, but the show is keeping the stuff that made the book bad (pacing issues, mostly) so I'm not sure I agree. A lot of this stuff does work better in a visual Media though.
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Jun 3, 2017 15:56
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I agree that so far the show is better, but I wouldn't call the book "objectively bad" by any stretch. I thought it showed a marked improvement from Neverwhere, and it certainly kept me reading. To each their own though, I guess
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Jun 3, 2017 17:17
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Objectively might be the wrong word - technically bad. It is one of the worst-written (in a technical sense) novels I've ever read (or proof-read, which is probably a more damning indictment). William Burroughs has written novels that were more technically competent than American Gods
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Jun 3, 2017 17:31
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precision posted:Gaiman could be pulling a con of his own and that could end up being true, for all we know at this point! It's why I'm still happy to speculate about Mr World being the god of globalisation in the non-spoiler thread. I'm not trolling exactly, cause I do think there's a non-zero chance that Gaiman/Fuller/whoever will try and pull the rug out from under the bookreaders and change the twist.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:29
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I mean this is the Hannibal guy we're talking about.
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Jun 3, 2017 19:32
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It would hilarious trolling of book readers if they show Mr. World's driver, and it's Low-Key from the first episode 
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precision posted:Objectively might be the wrong word - technically bad. It is one of the worst-written (in a technical sense) novels I've ever read (or proof-read, which is probably a more damning indictment). William Burroughs has written novels that were more technically competent than American Gods It must suck to be somebody who has to pour over a book for errors and analyze it on a technical level instead of just digging the setting, narrative and characters. Because I really enjoyed American Gods 
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King Vidiot posted:It must suck to be somebody who has to pour over a book for errors and analyze it on a technical level instead of just digging the setting, narrative and characters.  Also there's no way its worse written than anything pre-20th century. Old school writing, with the sole exception of Shakespeare (because he was writing plays, not books) is so loving painfully dry.
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Jun 4, 2017 00:45
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I can simultaneously enjoy deeply enjoy a novel while acknowledging its flaws. If anything, diving deep into literary criticism is the sign of a true fan.
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Zaphod42 posted:
Hey, Don Quixote was amazing. Although also not in English so maybe the translators spiced it up? Also very clearly written before editors were a thing but hey.
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Jun 4, 2017 01:05
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King Vidiot posted:It must suck to be somebody who has to pour over a book for errors and analyze it on a technical level instead of just digging the setting, narrative and characters. Not really. It leads you to a richer enjoyment of things that are actually good. Zaphod42 posted:Also there's no way its worse written than anything pre-20th century. Old school writing, with the sole exception of Shakespeare (because he was writing plays, not books) is so loving painfully dry. also it gives you the privilege of not being this guy lmao
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Zaphod42 posted:
A lot of it wasn't nearly as dry in context, but changes in language and cultural context mean we don't get the references and turns of wit that contemporary audiences got. That's not to say I don't understand why people don't like "the classics."
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Zurui posted:I can simultaneously enjoy deeply enjoy a novel while acknowledging its flaws. If anything, diving deep into literary criticism is the sign of a true fan. This. More to the point, I'd rather enjoy a book despite its flaws than look for reasons to dislike it. But that's just me. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Not really. It leads you to a richer enjoyment of things that are actually good. What would you consider "actually good"
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Jun 4, 2017 02:17
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The opening for this episode is going to piss off so many shitheads
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Jun 4, 2017 05:18
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The people who make this show are a treasure. Depicting Oathkeeper shits for what they actually are is wonderful.
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Jun 4, 2017 05:24
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Shooting Blanks posted:What would you consider "actually good" I mean, I love all kinds of trash media, it's not like I set the bar all that high. But even if we're just talking about Neil Gaiman in particular then Sandman and his short stories are much better than any of his full-length novels. e: sandman's kind of apples to oranges of course but then again that's also why it works Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jun 4, 2017 |
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Jun 4, 2017 05:26
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06 That is a road trip crew I wouldn't have expected in a million years. Also, Mr. Wood.
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It's a shame we didn't get a Coming to America segment about the Romans who came to America to bring Vulcan to this world.
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