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OTOH one time I said "Hey Siri play that song from Back to the Future " and it knew I meant The Power of Love so that was pretty dope
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ARKit is pretty cool stuff. I'm looking forward to "Minecraft on your table" apps and whatever, though I'm sure it won't reach its full potential until they make Apple Glasses.Weedle posted:OTOH one time I said "Hey Siri play that song from Back to the Future " and it knew I meant The Power of Love so that was pretty dope I just tried that and it only worked because a bunch of lovely cover bands have put their songs on Apple Music as literally "The Power of Love (From 'Back to the Future')". It never gave me the original one by the inestimable Huey Lewis. Roadie fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 03:53
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So they're going to discontinue support for 32-bit apps in OS X too.
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Small White Dragon posted:So they're going to discontinue support for 32-bit apps in OS X too. Holy poo poo really?
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Jun 7, 2017 05:37
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That is extremely bold as gently caress. It's not like the iOS where they can dictate the terms. I hope it's JUST app store apps so anything loaded outside can still run.
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incoherent posted:That is extremely bold as gently caress. It's not like the iOS where they can dictate the terms. I hope it's JUST app store apps so anything loaded outside can still run. Looking at it I think it starts that way but then will escalate to "gently caress you" levels. Remember when they ditched PPC apps?
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that was...painful but they're not moving architectures. I guess it's my stockholm syndrome with 4 version of windows still shipping with its x86 counterpart.
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wdarkk posted:Holy poo poo really?
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Jun 7, 2017 06:55
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Not my ... four App Store apps 
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Jun 7, 2017 10:40
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Not my ... four App Store apps Checks Yup, four.
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Small White Dragon posted:Before anyone panics, this isn't happening immediately. Apps on the App Store have a full year to be 64-bit compliant. The version after High Sierra will begin warning users of 32-bit apps. So you've got two years, at least. Eh, it doesn't matter that much how long it takes if "all 32 bit apps, even ones not in the app store, won't run" is the end goal. EDIT: How do you even check if an old program is 32 bit? I don't see it in the Activity Monitor anymore.
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wdarkk posted:Eh, it doesn't matter that much how long it takes if "all 32 bit apps, even ones not in the app store, won't run" is the end goal. You can rclick the heading bar and turn on the “Type” column. I have all of 4 32-bit apps running apparently — two of which are some kind of Adobe background services, and two of which are Apple daemons, and they're going to have to update those anyway. I suppose there'll be some specialist software that might become problematic, but really, who would even make a 32-bit app for macOS at this point (and why)? Tippis fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Jun 7, 2017 19:01
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Got this piece of poo poo Macbook Air here, the owner had filled it up with junk, didn't even remember the password so I couldn't do the upgrade to sierra, they are still back on yosemite. So I went into recovery and erased the drive and set out to reinstall the OS, and I'm stuck. Was telling me password had been entered incorrectly and had to be reset, that was bullshit because I was able to login to the website fine with their info (that was the other big hooah, they had previously had one appleid for the whole family and now they all have their own and wanted this particular one put on this laptop). Now its just saying "this item is temporarily unavailable" when I enter the credentials which I've verified correct. I saw a fix online that said go to "get help online" and login to icloud, done that, still the same. I'm guessing theres probably no way I can create Sierra USB media from Windows and do it via USB? Anything else I can try?
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Tippis posted:You can rclick the heading bar and turn on the “Type” column. I'm mostly worried about older stuff, like EV Nova.
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wdarkk posted:I'm mostly worried about older stuff, like EV Nova. Time to find out how well it runs in a VM running an older OSX version. Btw, they deprecated most of Carbon all the way back in 10.8; EV Nova has been on borrowed time ever since. I haven't watched any of the WWDC material yet but am guessing this new announcement is more concerning for 32-bit Cocoa apps.
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wdarkk posted:Eh, it doesn't matter that much how long it takes if "all 32 bit apps, even ones not in the app store, won't run" is the end goal. Apparently Steam is still 32-bit on Mac.
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Phoenixan posted:There's also a column for it under System Information > Applications which is a lot more useful because it tells you 32-bit or 64-bit on apps that aren't even currently running. Looking through this list brings up a looooot of indie games. I wonder how many of them will bother getting a 64-bit update out. 
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I personally like the idea of deprecating 32bit apps. Only in the Mac ecosystem does it make sense, since realistically the processors support 32bit natively and there's no reason the binaries can't run, but it allows Apple to get rid of Carbon support, it allows pretty much every still-supported app to move to ARC and get the perf boost from magic isa, but all-around from the context of 'Apple likes to keep its garden neatly trimmed', it allows them to say No to ancient applications that run poorly and don't use any modern APIs. All of the apps I have on iOS that are still 32bit are apps that I don't care about losing, same with macOS. Adobe will have to update their CC nonsense, but they will. It's a funny way to cut backwards compatibility without explicitly going out and saying "old apps won't run", it shifts the blame to them for not recompiling and moving to Cocoa. Apple gonna Apple IMO.
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Jun 9, 2017 01:49
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We'll never move past 64-bit apps, right?
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Jun 9, 2017 01:54
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Every time I see Program Files Program Files (x86) I thank whatever gods there are that there is an Apple.
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Bob Morales posted:We'll never move past 64-bit apps, right? There doesn't seem to be a burning need for 128bit words any time soon, no... I mean, maybe? I don't know. At least getting rid of 32 will make any transition to 2^n+1 bits easier?
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Data Graham posted:Every time I see I actually kinda like Microsoft's approach, duplicate everything for x86 and make it painfully obvious. Like they don't even bother with multi-architecture DLLs outside of NET assemblies that are inherently multi-targeted due to being bytecode. They could drop WOW with one release and that'll just be that. Now, I say that as a consumer. As a developer that sometimes supports old C++ code that has to run on Windows 10, and interface with .NET assbs, gently caress WOW and 32bit binaries on Windows, but that's life.
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Jun 9, 2017 02:00
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Bob Morales posted:We'll never move past 64-bit apps, right?
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Sorry for the dumb question but where is/what is the name of the option that shows all of the open windows/apps when you drag the mouse to the lower left? I set that up like 8 years ago on my old laptop and can't find the option on my new one.
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Jun 9, 2017 06:57
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Mission Control prefpane -> Hot Corners button -> Set the lower left to the 'Mission Control' option
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Pivo posted:There doesn't seem to be a burning need for 128bit words any time soon, no... I mean, maybe? I don't know. At least getting rid of 32 will make any transition to 2^n+1 bits easier? Never say never.... x86-128 here we come.
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E: better for the hardware thread
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Stutes posted:Mission Control prefpane -> Hot Corners button -> Set the lower left to the 'Mission Control' option Thanks.
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I turned off FileVault, it said it was finished decrypting, and then I turned my laptop off. Now when I turn it back on it takes me to a screen that asks me to select my language and then it asked if I want to reinstall macOS. No I don't want to reinstall what the Christ happened?
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Jun 9, 2017 17:40
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Why didnt they ever implement two button swipe back in iTunes?
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Bob Morales posted:We'll never move past 64-bit apps, right? I'm thinking of the time back in 1988 or so when my Software Etc manager was arguing with a customer who had insisted that no one would ever need more than 8 megs of RAM. I remember the customer saying something like "16 megs of RAM? Whaddaya need that for? FLYING THE SPACE SHUTTLE?" I didn't mention that the Space Shuttle computer used something like one meg. 
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Dick Trauma posted:I remember the customer saying something like "16 megs of RAM? Whaddaya need that for? FLYING THE SPACE SHUTTLE?" This person owns
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Dick Trauma posted:I'm thinking of the time back in 1988 or so when my Software Etc manager was arguing with a customer who had insisted that no one would ever need more than 8 megs of RAM. I remember the customer saying something like "16 megs of RAM? Whaddaya need that for? FLYING THE SPACE SHUTTLE?" Your post inspired some googling and it was even better than that. According to a combo of Wikipedia and a NASA page, 1MB was the address space limit of the AP101 computer, but what was on the first flight was a ~100 Kword capacity (1 word being 32 bits so roughly 400KB). Also it was core memory, with an access time of 400ns, and the AP101 itself was basically a miniature version of the 1960s era IBM System/360 mainframe architecture that could execute about 480K instructions per second. Many 1988 personal computers were easily more powerful.
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Still love that a guy in my hometown very proudly--at first--drove around with an 8 MB RAM license plate
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cbirdsong posted:Looking through this list brings up a looooot of indie games. I wonder how many of them will bother getting a 64-bit update out.
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Dick Trauma posted:. I remember the customer saying something like "16 megs of RAM? Whaddaya need that for? FLYING THE SPACE SHUTTLE?" Lmao
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Did the Dock get recently "fixed" so that you can't drag an item in a Stack to the Trash? When I click and drag, it just causes a box to be drawn around the item I'm trying to drag, and when I release, it opens the item. What the gently caress? edit: I can't drag and drop in Finder either. 2013 MBP running Sierra. Weird. brap fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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fleshweasel posted:Did the Dock get recently "fixed" so that you can't drag an item in a Stack to the Trash? When I click and drag, it just causes a box to be drawn around the item I'm trying to drag, and when I release, it opens the item. What the gently caress? I just deleted two things from my Downloads folder by dragging them to the trash. 2012 MBPr running Sierra.
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Jun 12, 2017 20:08
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Also, I can't paste! Time to restart.
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I think it's time I get a clipboard manager incorporated into my workflow. Is there one that'll let me bind a mouse key to bring up a window of previously-copied items underneath my mouse cursor? The idea being, I don't have to move my mouse away from the input box I need to paste the value in, I can just MOUSE-5 > click to copy > Cmd + V to paste.
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