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Modest Mouse cover band posted:Hero of Ages has been finished. Well of Ascension didn't really hook me, but I liked Hero of Ages much more. I have however noticed that Sanderson's writing has gotten a lot better since the first Mistborn books. The avalanches he does felt a lot stronger to me in Stormlight Archives than Mistborn. I was able to put down the Mistborn books during the endings, where I was reading Way of Kings and Words of Radiance while getting dressed for work it was so captivating. There's one story in AU, Secret History, that reveals a bunch of stuff for Mistborn and didn't come out until after the latest era 2 book, as it concerns one of the big reveals. You probably want to skip that one til you're caught up.
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Jorenko posted:There's one story in AU, Secret History, that reveals a bunch of stuff for Mistborn and didn't come out until after the latest era 2 book, as it concerns one of the big reveals. You probably want to skip that one til you're caught up. Yeah, definitely finish the Wax and Wayne books before reading that one.
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Bummer. I thought it was the first trilogy and then I'm free to read it. I've been holding back as is, but 2 more books to go isn't bad I guess.
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:Bummer. I thought it was the first trilogy and then I'm free to read it. I've been holding back as is, but 2 more books to go isn't bad I guess. Three - Alloy of Law, Shadows of Self, and Bands of Mourning. Theoretically, you could read it before starting on the Wax and Wayne books, as it doesn't spoil any of the actual plot of those books, but I would still recommend waiting until after Bands of Mourning.
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Must have missed a page massively beaten to warning off. Do read the lift story though. She's full of awesomeness.
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Anyone know how far ahead one can usually order one of the leather bound editions of his books? I want to get one of oathbringer.
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:Bummer. I thought it was the first trilogy and then I'm free to read it. I've been holding back as is, but 2 more books to go isn't bad I guess. You can read Everything in AU without really worrying except Secret History (until you are caught up on mistborn era 2), and Edge Dancer (until you finish Words Of Radiance). I think everything else is short stories, although maybe one happens during the avalanche at the end of Elantris...
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Pash posted:You can read Everything in AU without really worrying except Secret History (until you are caught up on mistborn era 2), and Edge Dancer (until you finish Words Of Radiance). I think everything else is short stories, although maybe one happens during the avalanche at the end of Elantris... Yeah one spoils the ending of Elantris with it's framing device.
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Each story in AU includes a little blurb stating when it occurs, which is nice.
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I liked Wax and Wayne #2, and the further development of Wayne as a character. I liked the idea that technology was finally emerging, but I never really felt sold on exactly how they were making these leaps. The Kandra twist was seen coming from a way off, but it wasn't bad. I liked the opening of Wax and Wayne #3, but only the opening. The rest of the book was stupid. That is all.
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Someone in this thread recommended Robin Hobb after I had exhausted the Sanderson catalog. I finished reading her stuff now.. where do I go from here?
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mewse posted:Someone in this thread recommended Robin Hobb after I had exhausted the Sanderson catalog. I finished reading her stuff now.. where do I go from here? If you haven't read Zelazny you should.
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mewse posted:Someone in this thread recommended Robin Hobb after I had exhausted the Sanderson catalog. I finished reading her stuff now.. where do I go from here? What do you want out of a book? To me, I enjoy fantasy that is just escapism and book-form equivalent of an immersive summer-blockbuster movie/game (but not DnD litrpg trash either) where I can just pick up and get engrossed during the train ride to and from work in a half-asleep fugue or tired state, and maybe read into the wee hours at night on a weekend or on a plane. Most don't tread anything new and don't hold a candle to "really good" stuff like Gene Wolfe and may have problems with not the best prose, or female characters, or whatever but I like them even recognizing that. If you're ok with fantasy that isn't anything super special or new per se and more of the former description, I could throw out a lot of recommendations:
You can also get into Malazan series (wasn't for me but I'll try again), then there is of course local goonwritten The Traitor Baru Cormorant which is actually legitimately good and not just more casual-good. I could probably think of some worse ones that I still had fun reading during my commute but I think there's plenty out there without delving into the lower rungs for the time being. e: wrong series name for one guy, and I can't believe I forgot Lies of Locke Lamora. Xaris fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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mewse posted:Someone in this thread recommended Robin Hobb after I had exhausted the Sanderson catalog. I finished reading her stuff now.. where do I go from here? If you want a real good fantasy hit up 'The Lies of Locke Lamora'. It stands above the crowd in the genre.
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Xaris posted:Lightbringer series by Brent Weeks. Very Sanderson-like with cool magic system, first three books are entertaining but hoo boy the 4th book really loving blows and almost makes the rest of them suck by association. There's still 1 book left to be finished so we'll see if it gets redeemed but the first three are good. This is a bad opinion (well, not really but I had the exact opposite reaction tot he book). The fourth book is fantastic. Give me a minute and I'll see if I can dig up the effort posting I did on this book. E: and of course I can't. Anyway the gist of it was, yeah Kip (as always) is one of the least interesting characters to me and continues to be so, but all the others (main and secondary) are fantastically represented and layered like onions. Characters like Andross who I *loathed* in the 1st and 2nd books, becomes if not sympathetic, at least relatable and is no longer a mustache twirling villain. Kerris makes sacrifices for the greater good, and Teia gets sucked deeper into a role she doesn't want out of sense of duty and obligation. And what happens to "Gavin" completely reshapes everything he (and we) knows about himself and who he is. While the series plot itself didn't advance much, the world and people in it change and grow or resist and ossify. It's not perfect, I still think Kip is not a strong POV character, but the rest of the cast more than makes up for it. This whole book is maneuvering everyone to set up the climatic book (at least I think the next one is the last in this). Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jun 14, 2017 |
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BananaNutkins posted:I liked Wax and Wayne #2, and the further development of Wayne as a character. I liked the idea that technology was finally emerging, but I never really felt sold on exactly how they were making these leaps. The Kandra twist was seen coming from a way off, but it wasn't bad. They have a throwaway line explaining that, seems the Lord Ruler had been surpressing technological advancement for some time Sazed probably just put some good pointers about that stuff in the books he left.
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flosofl posted:This is a bad opinion (well, not really but I had the exact opposite reaction tot he book). The fourth book is fantastic. Give me a minute and I'll see if I can dig up the effort posting I did on this book. I just couldn't believe that book 4 wasn't the end the story. I really don't enjoy starting unfinished series, because I often have to re-read from the beginning to catch up. I dig Lightbringer, but not enough to read the whole thing over again.
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Brent Weeks has a really bad habit of trying to make things "badass" or "dark," but can only do so from the perspective of an angry 14-year-old boy. It sometimes works, mostly when the POV of the scene in question is actually that of an angry teenage boy. Sadly he can't just limit it to that. Everything is written that way, even scenes featuring nothing but adults, even elderly people. They still interact with each other as if they're angry teenage boys.
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ConfusedUs posted:Brent Weeks has a really bad habit of trying to make things "badass" or "dark," but can only do so from the perspective of an angry 14-year-old boy. You just explained right here why I just can't read Brent Weeks. That is also why I can't appreciate Prince of Thorns. It is just too edgy. Could not get after page 20 of "look at me I'm badass!". Would totally recommend The Greatcoats and Powder Mage trilogy to everyone, ever. Both are very well written, awesome scenes and deep characters.
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Strumpy posted:If you want a real good fantasy hit up 'The Lies of Locke Lamora'. It stands above the crowd in the genre. That is a very good series yeah, but there's not been any new books since 2012 or 2013 whenever Republic of Thieves was released. My main problem with Lightbringer is that he had to get all rapey on Teia. Still don't understand why every fantasy author feels the need to include rape in some form or other.
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Used to read Sanderson, not really sure why I stopped. At the time I didn't have a Kindle and his books were getting huge so that might be a factor. Lately I've been enjoying the Cradle series by Will Wight. First book is Unsouled. He builds a magic system in a similar vein as Sanderson, laying lots of hints and foreshadowing here and there, but I don't feel like it ever forms the cornerstone of the story or plot.
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ConfusedUs posted:Brent Weeks has a really bad habit of trying to make things "badass" or "dark," but can only do so from the perspective of an angry 14-year-old boy. Man, either you're young enough to idealize being "an adult", or you have a life, friends, and family I'd be insanely envious of if I actually believed people acted any different from 25 to death. Not to get political, but for gently caress's sake, look at our president and ... anyone. Hell,  , name one single googlable person and I will link some incredibly weird and childish poo poo they've done in the last 10 years or 10 years of their life. Supid poo poo never stops being our most powerful driver.Lightbringer is really mediocre in the beginning, occasionally very bad and occasionally very good. It gets better as it goes, but you always need to read it with an uncritical eye or you're not gonna have a good time. Re: another post, I kind of like Kip. As someone with a gigantic, incredibly kind and gentle, brilliant little brother that's diagnosed spectrum, he rings true. Anyway, I have high hopes that book 5 will be what book 5 in The Dark Tower should have been--a return to form with an extremely stepped-up game that makes everything better in retrospect by building off the really great and needed characterization in the fourth, and the end of the series. e: gah! I had a point that wasn't quite a derail. If you like or got through Sanderson's early stuff, there's a very good chance you'll like or get through Lightbringer. wellwhoopdedooo fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:Hell, Wayne Gretzky Father Nelson Baker
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:Man, either you're young enough to idealize being "an adult", or you have a life, friends, and family I'd be insanely envious of if I actually believed people acted any different from 25 to death. Not to get political, but for gently caress's sake, look at our president and ... anyone. Hell, The point is not that people should never act childish. It's that Weeks' default POV is that of an angry teenager, and it seeps into everything. The plot, the twists, and the characters. Everything.
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Oathbringer cut to 450,000 words: https://www.reddit.com/r/Stormlight_Archive/comments/6hfek7/oathbringer_spoilers_stormlight_three_update_8/
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Brandon Sanderson, the writer, about writing the Sanderson brand.
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Argas posted:Used to read Sanderson, not really sure why I stopped. At the time I didn't have a Kindle and his books were getting huge so that might be a factor. I like Cradle too, and I've discussed it a bit in ADTRW's webnovels thread. Cradle is an actually decent series in a generally terrible subgenre. He also wrote the Traveler's Gate books, which I'm more ambivalent towards; they feel kind of...YAish, and there's some intangible elements to the characterization that don't quite work. Also, while some may think it odd to criticize an F/SF series for not having enough exposition, there really isn't enough exposition, particularly in situations where you'd expect the characters to be demanding and giving clear explanations for things. (This does get lampshaded a bit later on.) Wight has admitted that House of Blades in particular suffered from his desire to keep the plot moving, at the cost of both exposition and character development. On the other hand, there's some really neat setting elements; the short stories do a good job of fleshing out the Territories that only appear in passing in the main novels. Also some cool fights. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jun 16, 2017 |
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Silver2195 posted:I like Cradle too, and I've discussed it a bit in ADTRW's webnovels thread. Cradle is an actually decent series in a generally terrible subgenre. Yeah, that's more or less my feelings on Traveler's Gate. It's similar to Mistborn in the initial non-standard premise and that did draw me in initially but it ran into issues.
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Phummus posted:Wayne Gretzky Source: wikipedia, and only wikipedia Gretzky: Throws fits about randoms not respecting his very important sports prowess and is a staunch conservative. Baker: He was a priest, and was into miracles. Come on. That is some baby-rear end playing make-believe poo poo. For Gretzky, the closest I could come by skimming wikipedia is 11 years ago, but come on, he didn't suddenly grow up and become more mature than LITERALLY EVERY PERSON ON EARTH betweek 11 and 10 years ago. Point is, we're all dumb babies, myself included for making a toxx post to bolster a stupid case about a dumb argument on the internet--also most things I've ever done. And to address the other post, the angry teenager thing is you projecting.
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:Man, either you're young enough to idealize being "an adult", or you have a life, friends, and family I'd be insanely envious of if I actually believed people acted any different from 25 to death. Not to get political, but for gently caress's sake, look at our president and ... anyone. Hell, Fred McFeely Rogers
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Tunicate posted:Fred McFeely Rogers fuuuuuuuuck. Will report back in 24h but I do not have a good feeling about this.
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I would echo recommending the power mage trilogy, that is a similar sort of world building and magic system that I would expect from Sanderson.
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wellwhoopdedooo posted:fuuuuuuuuck. Does this count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xlow12sSdmc&t=20s And here is fox news scraping the bottom of the barrel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29lmR_357rA
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Cradle is great if you want Sanderson crossed with DBZ/Naruto. Paper Magician trilogy is also quite good, and it's got a female author & protagonist if that's important to you. Cicero fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 17, 2017 |
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I was going to say we should put all these alternative author suggestions in the OP since it comes up a lot. Then I looked at the OP and it's pretty old and out of date  Maybe time for a new thread?
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HelixFox posted:I was going to say we should put all these alternative author suggestions in the OP since it comes up a lot. Then I looked at the OP and it's pretty old and out of date Ehh... I'd say given that most fantasy-specific authorial threads in particular are dead or very slow (Scott Lynchs long gone, Abercrombie's is pretty dead, BraSan thread is the most lively but p slow until a book comes out, and Rothfuss is well lmao lets not talk about him and let's leave that poo poo festering in the corner for laughs) there is probably room for a more "General Trash Genre Fantasy" thread (or however you want to define it, idk) I enjoy the Sci/F thread sometimes but it's really it's own beast and I know I personally don't care about 99% of scifi and often starts devolving into weird scifi or other high work slapfights, and I feel most posters there also dislike/look down on Sanderson and similar fantasy writing for the most part (which I get on a level, y'know, it's nothing revolutionary or some deep work but it's entertaining and fun to read)
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Jorenko posted:There's one story in AU, Secret History, that reveals a bunch of stuff for Mistborn and didn't come out until after the latest era 2 book, as it concerns one of the big reveals. You probably want to skip that one til you're caught up. Second Jorenko's post, Definitely catch up on the Wax Wayne books and then read Secret History. It'll really link how things work out and make you think about how it all further ties into the Cosmere Had a work trip in May that I picked up a few signed copies in the SLC airport and gave out as gifts to some friends to get them into Sanderson. I head on another trip tomorrow, hoping theres some hardback Stormlight Archive copies signed this time around for my own collection Just an FYI if you pass through the SLC airport, the bookstore in Delta's part of the airport has a ton of signed books at no extra charge. Brandon will sign them when he goes through the airport on tour/other trips. It's a really neat thing he does for his local fans and the die hard fans that get stuck in SLC. They do put stickers on the front cover noting "Author Signed" but since he passes through so much they dedicated a large chunk of a book shelf towards the side/back for all his books
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This thread having some talk about non-Sanderson books is really great because for the most part people here enjoy Sanderson, so it's likely you'll get recommendations that are similar. The Scifi thread is too generic for that since there's just so much trash out there. I don't see it as a problem since this year we'll only get Oathbringer so the thread is slow.
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Tahirovic posted:This thread having some talk about non-Sanderson books is really great because for the most part people here enjoy Sanderson, so it's likely you'll get recommendations that are similar. The Scifi thread is too generic for that since there's just so much trash out there. As the person who kicked off this round of recommendations I want to thank the thread, I forgot I wanted to read Powder Mage. I am adding Zelazny and Lies of Locke Lamora to my list as well. We could probably do without the argument about who is an adult
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