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Pollyanna posted:Networking and AngelList/Hired is the go-to for new jobs, then? I've had meh experiences with recruiters, but they certainly seem convenient. Networking is always good; never used hired/angellist. For games right now orcahq seems like the go-to site.
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FWIW I get some internal recruiters contacting me on LinkedIn. Usually from places I don't want to work and/or stuff I don't want to work with, but they're The Good Ones and they're out there.leper khan posted:Networking is always good; never used hired/angellist. For games right now orcahq seems like the go-to site. quote:0 results for United States Kinda broken? E: using any of the sorting/filtering seems to return no results, but gaming-related tools are supposed to have totally broken UIs so maybe that's working as intended Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 12, 2017 |
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Pollyanna posted:Do people actually accept LinkedIn invitations from recruiters? I used to get a lot of connect invites and requests to talk about opportunities, but I was always taught to avoid them. Not getting a whole lot of bites on AngelList recently, so I'm wondering if I should take them up on their potential offers instead. I accept anyone who wants to connect with me on LinkedIn. Sometimes I periodically start mashing the connect button with everyone on the list of suggestions, even if I have no idea who they are. A lot of what I get through it is nonsense, but I've also had some interesting/good opportunities come my way on LinkedIn.
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Jun 12, 2017 20:35
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:Recruiters are 100% garbage. I've met more recruiters I don't care for than those that I do, but it's a mixed bag like anything else. When I was looking to leave my last job, I asked a trusted colleague if he could recommend a recruiter. He gave me the name of one that he trusted. Admittedly, he didn't think the recruiter would be able to find me a job I wanted, but he knew this specific recruiter was very familiar with the employers in town, and what their reputations were. I met the recruiter for coffee a couple times. On our second recruiter-date, I asked her about a company I'd been considering. Although she couldn't help me get a job there, she encouraged me to apply. She allayed my concerns that I didn't have enough experience, and she even got me in touch with one of my old coworkers who worked at the company. I didn't even know, before that, that he worked there. That previous coworker ended up recommending me for an interview, and I was offered a job there within the month. Internal recruiters are a mixed bag, too. I did not trust the internal recruiters at my last employer, for example, but my current employer only has one recruiter and she's fantastic at her job, and a sincere person.
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Jun 12, 2017 20:38
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I suppose I should rework my job search strategy. I've had infinitely better success networking and applying straight to companies, even though Boston is supposedly a hot market for developers right now. Online aggregators/listings like AngelList and StackOverflow don't seem to have a whole lot of options available, at least not the kinds of jobs I would want to work at. My experiences with them have been mixed. I would probably benefit from taking it slow, I guess, and being picky about what's available. Just keep at the  .
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Jun 12, 2017 20:48
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Recruiters are a tool like anything else in the job hunt. FWIW I always try to Google Fu my way out of actually contacting recruiters for their positions, but sometimes that isn't possible. The main thing to understand is they're just looking to put bodies in slots and don't give a poo poo about you. Say no to things you aren't interested in and be firm with them about what you are interested in. They'll probably ignore you anyway, but there's an off chance they introduce you to a good employer you might not have found otherwise so what's the harm.
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Iverron posted:Recruiters are a tool like anything else in the job hunt. FWIW I always try to Google Fu my way out of actually contacting recruiters for their positions, but sometimes that isn't possible. Pretty much what I would've written. As someone that was hiring (for a decent company) we (grudgingly) worked with recruiters, because there aren't many options as a smaller company that doesn't involve posting a job to a board and getting 1000s of garbage resumes. If you don't let them waste your time, there's little downside to seeing what positions they have.
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Jun 13, 2017 00:48
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100% of the recruiters I've worked with (3) have turned into legitimate offers from places I'd work, and 2 of the 3 jobs I've had in my career were from unsolicited recruiters contacting me. One was a third party one was internal. YMMV
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Jun 13, 2017 01:19
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Most of the recruiters I've worked with told me that I should expect no more than $40K as a fresh grad and even that would be high. ...I have a CS degree. I won't name and shame but one recruiter tried to hook me up with a company that I'm pretty sure was 100% a scam.
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Jun 13, 2017 01:38
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Good recruiters are worth their weight in gold. Sadly, they're vastly outnumbered by the lovely ones.
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ultrafilter posted:Good recruiters are worth their weight in gold. Sadly, they're vastly outnumbered by the lovely ones. If you can get a rec for a good recruiter from someone you trust that's the way to go. Don't answer linkedin spam, as 95% of those people will be useless bottom feeders. The exception is internal recruiters for a company you're interested in anyway.
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Jun 13, 2017 03:06
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I got my current job, which I love, from a recruiter randomly finding me on LinkedIn. But I went through four useless ones first.
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FYI my company is hiring both junior and senior engineers for our platform engineering team in the Boston area. PM me if you're interested.
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Jun 13, 2017 14:16
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When I get a linkedin friend request from a recruiter, it typically has a job posting embedded in the message. If the recruiter is trying to do an end-run around paying LinkedIn by sending a posting as a friend request rather than a paid email, that tells me they'll probably try to do an end run around getting me paid too. gently caress em.
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I didn't even think of that jenky part of it. I didn't know that was them trying to get around the LinkedIn system. It seems like every recruiter message I get is like that, so I assumed it was normal. My big issue is the large number of completely mismatched opportunities or flat out bait and switch stuff. Lately I've gotten a lot of "Hey I have this great Senior Something or Other position with a salary range of X to Y yearly. It's working in this cool industry with all these cool technologies. When could we talk?" And then they try to pitch some bullshit low level position maintaining some pile of outdated garbage for a crap company paying less than one third of X.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:04
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The thing you have to keep in mind with (external) recruiters is that they 1) don't know anything about or care about the job and 2) don't know anything about or care about you and 3) don't really have a bunch of secret high quality jobs you couldn't find yourself on stackoverflow or indeed or whatever. So yeah, they might get you in front of hiring manager for a great job, but on average, they're just a waste of your time that would be better spent finding your own more-likely-to-be-a-good-fit jobs.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:10
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I've had good luck with recruiters. Specifically Tek. The good ones have good working relationships with hiring managers, to the point where they'll work with the hiring people to figure out what the company actually needs.
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Jun 13, 2017 17:29
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"Hey I've got this job opening and it seems like you have a lot of relevant experience" Really? You think I might have relevant job experience for a role which involves SITTING AT THE DESK NEXT TO ME DOING THE SAME JOB
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Jun 13, 2017 19:53
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I’d take 2 paychecks to set up another machine on my desk and occasionally poke at it.
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Jun 13, 2017 20:06
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Not worth the effort of going through civil service hiring.
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Arachnamus posted:"Hey I've got this job opening and it seems like you have a lot of relevant experience" I once had a recruiter contact me to present a job opportunity that I was actually the hiring manager for. I had written the job description for it, opened the job req, and was actively reviewing submitted resumes. It was the perfect storm of a recruiter that paid for both scraped job postings AND scraped resumes. I figured it was a good opportunity to see what made these scumbags tick, so I asked her where she had heard of the position and how she had come by my resume. She assured me that she was retained directly by my company to find top-level candidates and that I had submitted my resume to a job search board. Neither of these were true.
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Jun 13, 2017 20:31
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I think I've gotten two recruiters fired before. One was internal for a friend's company, and he was spamming people with Facebook messages.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:I think I've gotten two recruiters fired before. One was internal for a friend's company, and he was spamming people with Facebook messages. Was he recruiting via Facebook? Is this something people do?
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hendersa posted:I once had a recruiter contact me to present a job opportunity that I was actually the hiring manager for. I had written the job description for it, opened the job req, and was actively reviewing submitted resumes. It was the perfect storm of a recruiter that paid for both scraped job postings AND scraped resumes. I figured it was a good opportunity to see what made these scumbags tick, so I asked her where she had heard of the position and how she had come by my resume. She assured me that she was retained directly by my company to find top-level candidates and that I had submitted my resume to a job search board. Neither of these were true. This one was particularly egregious in that they had actually been retained directly by the org doing the hiring. They were dumped once the hiring manager found out the sort of attention to detail they were paying to their candidates' job histories.
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Jun 13, 2017 22:15
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lifg posted:Everyone starts to check out towards the end, but you should be doing good enough work to make sure your references will be good after you leave. That can come back to haunt you. Interestingly, at the engineering manager level, I've been through two jobs over the last six years and no one has even mentioned references.
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baquerd posted:Interestingly, at the engineering manager level, I've been through two jobs over the last six years and no one has even mentioned references.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Most of the recruiters I've worked with told me that I should expect no more than $40K as a fresh grad and even that would be high. I got the same response, and I took the job around 40k. This was 15 years ago though.
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lifg posted:I've had good luck with recruiters. Specifically Tek. The good ones have good working relationships with hiring managers, to the point where they'll work with the hiring people to figure out what the company actually needs. +1 to Tek. I've only worked with them from the other side of the table, but they seemed to be the only one that didn't throw bodies at us and actually tried to match what we were looking for.
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Generally if a LinkedIn recruiter says they're looking for a JavaScript UIUX position, I dismiss the message. Otherwise, I consider it on a case by case basis, unless it's Robert Half. Then no.
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I like when I get messages from recruiters on linkedin and they say that my resume is really impressive. I basically just have "Company: Title" and a handful of bog standard programming fodder skills listed.
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The best is when you get emails from recruiters who work at companies that you've recently turned down and vice versa. Like, within 6 months.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:The best is when you get emails from recruiters who work at companies that you've recently turned down and vice versa. Like, within 6 months. I got a recruiter email from a company I previously left. 
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Pollyanna posted:I got a recruiter email from a company I previously left. Try for an interview and see if they remember you or if it's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI8KbTDlvmM
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Good Will Hrunting posted:The best is when you get emails from recruiters who work at companies that you've recently turned down and vice versa. Like, within 6 months. There's one major health care company in my city that constantly does this. They're whole thing is to get you through a phone screen with the in-house recruiter who then will tell you that they want to fill the position quickly and they'll set something up right away. Then you never hear from them. Then when you finally get in touch with that recruiter a week later, "The position was already filled, I told you they were going to move quickly." Two days later you get another email from another in-house recruiter for the same job. Repeat every 6 months.
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Mniot posted:Try for an interview and see if they remember you or if it's like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI8KbTDlvmM To be fair that's not a red flag for a recruiter. I've returned to previous places and have known probably a dozen people as well. Sometimes if you want a raise you leave and come back.
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geeves posted:There's one major health care company in my city that constantly does this. They're whole thing is to get you through a phone screen with the in-house recruiter who then will tell you that they want to fill the position quickly and they'll set something up right away. Then you never hear from them. Then when you finally get in touch with that recruiter a week later, "The position was already filled, I told you they were going to move quickly." Yeah they're trying to fill roles internally but have some due diligence requirement which forces them to list the position and pursue external candidates first. My last place was a government contractor and had a similar requirement.
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Blinkz0rz posted:Yeah they're trying to fill roles internally but have some due diligence requirement which forces them to list the position and pursue external candidates first. According to my friend that's not really what they're doing. There are no jobs to fill. They just constantly keep open requests and horde resumes. She quit there after a couple of years because she only successfully hired and on-boarded ~20 people in 2 years while supposedly there were 200+ public facing jobs.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:The best is when you get emails from recruiters who work at companies that you've recently turned down and vice versa. Like, within 6 months. Has anybody ever gotten a recruiter trying to recruit them for the company they're already working for? Bonus points if it's for a lot more money. I really want to see how that kind of story ends. "Yeah hey boss soooooo this recruiter is trying to hire me for a position here that pays $40K more than I'm making. Can I just circumvent the whole process and just get the money? tia."
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Has anybody ever gotten a recruiter trying to recruit them for the company they're already working for? Well, if you scroll back up the page a little bit... Arachnamus posted:"Hey I've got this job opening and it seems like you have a lot of relevant experience" hendersa posted:I once had a recruiter contact me to present a job opportunity that I was actually the hiring manager for. I had written the job description for it, opened the job req, and was actively reviewing submitted resumes. It was the perfect storm of a recruiter that paid for both scraped job postings AND scraped resumes. I figured it was a good opportunity to see what made these scumbags tick, so I asked her where she had heard of the position and how she had come by my resume. She assured me that she was retained directly by my company to find top-level candidates and that I had submitted my resume to a job search board. Neither of these were true. So... yes?
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geeves posted:According to my friend that's not really what they're doing. There are no jobs to fill. They just constantly keep open requests and horde resumes. She quit there after a couple of years because she only successfully hired and on-boarded ~20 people in 2 years while supposedly there were 200+ public facing jobs. That's...really dumb and super demoralizing. Why would anyone want to work there?
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