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Wirth1000 posted:So the RAM is running at 2133, blargh. You've updated the bios right? Our motherboards are identical except yours is done up in flashy colours, so I'd be surprised if it didn't work :/
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Measly Twerp posted:You've updated the bios right? Our motherboards are identical except yours is done up in flashy colours, so I'd be surprised if it didn't work :/ I was going to but I got warned off by ASRock's little message about how I really shouldn't if my system is already stable and given all the horror stories I've read so far about this brand new spanking architecture I kind of held off. I might just do that now though.
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Wirth1000 posted:I was going to but I got warned off by ASRock's little message about how I really shouldn't if my system is already stable and given all the horror stories I've read so far about this brand new spanking architecture I kind of held off. I might just do that now though. I updated to 1002 on the Crosshair Hero VI and it wouldn't boot from full shutdown anymore after that  Reflashed back to 9002 until I have more troubleshooting time.
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Deuce posted:I updated to 1002 on the Crosshair Hero VI and it wouldn't boot from full shutdown anymore after that I'm going to hold off lol Right now minus the underclocked RAM everything is running beautifully with no issues. I think I'll savour that for a bit before I take anymore gambles.
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In true AMD fashion, they've released the Zen software optimization guide... over 3 months after Zen launched. http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/55723_SOG_Fam_17h_Processors_3.00.pdf Better late than never I suppose v  v
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It's late, yeah, but in general AMD's platfrom and CPU documentation is usually phenomenal. There's a night and day difference between what's in the publicly-available Intel developer manuals and the publicly-available AMD developer manuals. AMD's BIOS and Kernel Development Guides are incredible. You can literally write firmware for their platforms with them, whereas if you want to do something even remotely similar with Intel you better be a board partner.
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This, I assume, is a great boon to the OpenBIOS/Libreboot people.
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I'm pretty annoyed by AMD's support, there's a well documented KVM related bug that needs to be fixed. Their PR guide forwarded my mail to tech support person, he escalated my ticket twice after sending me the usual copy & paste responses and then they went silent again. At this point I suspect the bug is in the silicone because they won't even acknowledge it. 
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...silicon, eames. Silicone Valley is in SoCal.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:...silicon, eames. Silicone Valley is in SoCal. Whoops, well yeah, that. 
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repiv posted:In true AMD fashion, they've released the Zen software optimization guide... over 3 months after Zen launched.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:...silicon, eames. Silicone Valley is in SoCal. Silicone valley is also a line of BBW and SSBBW inspired pocket pussies, though you'd need one of those JNCO pants from the 90s to actually fit it in a pocket. Edit: The marketing department is having issues coming up with a new name, the front runner is backpack bubble butt, but so far it hasn't gained much ground. Methylethylaldehyde fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Silicone valley is also a line of BBW and SSBBW inspired pocket pussies, though you'd need one of those JNCO pants from the 90s to actually fit it in a pocket. Headripper
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Wirth1000 posted:Posting from my new Ryzen 5 1600X + B350 build mothafuckas. This is pretty spiffy. Gratz, by the way. High-clocked 6C12T is bitchin' for any sort of encoding or productivity work. How much memory did you manage to get to boot? Are you running 2 sticks per channel or 1?
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Just 2 sticks of 8gb each in my A2 and B2 slots.
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repiv posted:In true AMD fashion, they've released the Zen software optimization guide... over 3 months after Zen launched. By the way please consider this prosecution exhibit #50 of a billion that AMD was not ready to launch Zen and will not have any sort of effective silicon stepping revision available anytime this year (eg some people think Threadripper might be on a new stepping, which implies taping out as Ryzen was preparing to launch). If you don't understand what coding practices work well on your processor, how in the world would you actually revise the silicon? I mean Ryzen+ is going to be baller, as will consumer mobos with real ECC support (if Asrock does a mATX board with ECC and a bunch of SATA ports I'm buying that so fast) but I don't think it can hit before next year even with an ASAP turnaround, and even Q1 might be a rush.
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it's a hell of a showing for 90% finished architecture, though. i can see why they wanted to release it early, other than that stockholders etc etc
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it's a hell of a showing for 90% finished architecture, though. i can see why they wanted to release it early, other than that stockholders etc etc Oh, I agree. AMD needs a comeback story and overall the release has been just that. But overall do you think that AMD was in an informed position to have coherent changes to Zen taping out during the pre-launch runup? They clearly did not even understand that memory clocks were an issue. A few gentle words "we know the problem, it's patchable in software, hold on" to the reviewers would have been great, they clearly were still trying out beta BIOS builds right to the day of launch. Again, I'm not criticizing here, things have turned out well for them, but do I think they knew what was going on let alone the hardware patches that were necessary being approved and taped out? Nah. Zen obviously has some stupid bottlenecks that nobody foresaw and Zen+ is going to be baller once they figure it out, I bet OC and efficiency goes up quite a bit. Zen+ at 4.5 GHz with only slightly higher TDP would be fantastic.
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I don't think they had a lot of other options, since their resources and budget are much more limited. Things seem to be going better now though and they're getting server customers and that's the money train they need to catch like last decade. AMD has been operating on "chicken head cut off" mode since 2009, they're just surgically putting it back on now that Zen is out
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:I don't think they had a lot of other options, since their resources and budget are much more limited. Things seem to be going better now though and they're getting server customers and that's the money train they need to catch like last decade. I don't disagree with any of this. But do you think they knew what they were changing for the tapeout in January/February so it could go to the fab in March as a new stepping while Ryzen was launching? Without a brief optimization guide? Nah. And that's the only way you get a Q4 2017 Ryzen+. It's really gotta be Q1 2018, possibly Q2 (they'll rush it as much as possible). Which probably means "not threadripper", at least at launch (perhaps an early series upgrade?) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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"okay we might be ready to release this by june maybe july" "uh....corporate says we're releasing march" It explains how unprepared the board partners were, too
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Paul MaudDib posted:I don't disagree with any of this. But do you think they knew what they were changing for the tapeout in January/February so it could go to the fab in March as a new stepping while Ryzen was launching? Without a brief optimization guide? Stop crushing my dreams of threadripper clocking higher then 4ghz you monster
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Much like most tech wait for the 1.1 revision Can't wait for the threadripper v2 how many cores can we got on a dinner plate sized mcm
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So do we have a rule of thumb for Intel vs Ryzen IPC? Say %20-%30 in favor of Intel?
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redeyes posted:So do we have a rule of thumb for Intel vs Ryzen IPC? Say %20-%30 in favor of Intel? Zen is basically Broadwell, so much less than that. Kaby Lake (i7-7700K) just clocks several 100 MHz higher.
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sauer kraut posted:Zen is basically Broadwell, so much less than that. Kaby Lake (i7-7700K) just clocks several 100 MHz higher. Huh, so like maybe %5-10?
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redeyes posted:Huh, so like maybe %5-10? yeah, sounds about right
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i3-6100 @3.7GHz vs R7-1700 @3GHz and 3.7GHz: I think the R7 closed the gap because of the memory clocks.
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No news on Raven Ridge yet, eh? I need something on that front. I'm starting to self-hype looking up old Carrizo APU reviews and fantasizing about whether those Maxwell-style improvements are going to make it to R3/RMobile. E: I missed Epyc news, I guess. Looks p. neat. Hopefully it gets AMD more money.
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Man they are going after the profits hard with some of those top end chips but the lower end is surprisingly affordable for what it is. Clocks could stand to be higher but maybe they won't be terribly far behind the new Xeon's, if the leaks are correct. Getting the clock speeds up on high core count CPU's while also keeping TDP's non-stupid is tough for everyone. If those SPEC scores hold up they'll probably still sell a fair amount of those top end chips.
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I don't know the Xeon lineup very well (the model numbering doesn't make much sense), are these fair comparisons or are they doing the CPU equivalent of comparing their pricing against a Titan while everyone is buying x80 Tis? If fair, they're looking pretty good. Malloc Voidstar posted:16 cores for $600<n<$800 I actually don't think they've ever definitively said you can overclock Threadripper let alone Epyc, just that "All Ryzen processors are unlocked". (Ryzen is a different branding/line than Threadripper and Epyc, if they meant "all Zeppelin-die products are unlocked" then they would have said so)
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heise.de reports that Skylake-SP (and Skylake-X) uses a mesh (like the Xeon Phi) instead of a ringbus machine translated link: http://translate.google.com/transla...n&langpair=auto e: i just realised that this is the wrong topic but I'll just leave it here because of infinity fabric 
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Threadripper can be overclockedDell posted:Dell will be the exclusive OEM launch partner to deliver AMD Ryzen Threadripper pre-built systems to market and the high-end 16-core processor will be factory-overclocked across all cores.
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Malloc Voidstar posted:Threadripper can be overclocked Yeah, that's looking pretty solid then. Although I suppose it could always be a BCLK overclock 
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So I heard that AMD once had some of the strongest integrated graphics around. Will they be releasing anything with that? Ultimately I guess its is a bit much to ask of it, but I've always been interested in the idea that iGPUs will eventually be strong enough that dedicated graphics will go the way of soundcards (ie relegated to specific situations that need optimized processors). thechosenone fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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thechosenone posted:
Sure, if you can find some way to cram dozens of gigabytes of high speed video RAM and a massive amount of cooling onto the CPU. It's a whole lot simpler to make that sort of thing work on a separate card.
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Well, when I think about it, with the whole thing about them starting to make cpus stitched together from multiple parts, and the whole stacked memory thing hbm has going on, I was thinking they could almost do that. Intel has managed to get 128 MB of eDRAM on a cpu chip, so I figured if they could go 3d ala HBM, that it could be possible.
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so like you could use stacked memory to get a lot of data, and stitch parts together or something, like some sort of super-chip inspired by Dr.Frankenstein. But like, I figure if 128 MB can fit, then if you can stack it, then you could at least get a gigabyte or two. This would lead to one only needing a dGPU if they needed buttloads of memory beyond what would fit. Wow, I guess I know how people manage to click on the quote button instead of the editing button now. I always thought it would be hard to miss that. thechosenone fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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