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The Cheshire Cat: Jun 10, 2008; Fun Shoe

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I will happily make less money if it means I'm not a loving monster who uses spaces instead of tabs.

*edit* whoops, new page. Added a quote to the post.

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Hyperlynx: Sep 13, 2015

The Cheshire Cat posted:

I will happily make less money if it means I'm not a loving monster who uses spaces instead of tabs.

*edit* whoops, new page. Added a quote to the post.

A space is always the same size. A tab is however many goddamn spaces a given dev's settings say it is. Try lining up statements that go over a line, using tabs, where everyone has a different tab width.

(you low-paid noob :smug:

)

# ? Jun 16, 2017 15:46

Slash: Apr 7, 2011

Hyperlynx posted:

A space is always the same size. A tab is however many goddamn spaces a given dev's settings say it is. Try lining up statements that go over a line, using tabs, where everyone has a different tab width.

(you low-paid noob )

Use an IDE which replaces tabs with spaces. That's what i do, saves on button presses.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 15:57

Hyperlynx: Sep 13, 2015

Slash posted:

Use an IDE which replaces tabs with spaces. That's what i do, saves on button presses.

Right, but how many spaces have you set your IDE to replace the tabs with?

Unless it's exactly the same amount of spaces as whoever wrote the file used, it's going to look like poo poo.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 15:58

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Hyperlynx posted:

Right, but how many spaces have you set your IDE to replace the tabs with?

Unless it's exactly the same amount of spaces as whoever wrote the file used, it's going to look like poo poo.

I have mine set to 4 spaces, which is the convention for Python.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:00

Bhodi: Dec 9, 2007; Oh, it's just a cat.; Pillbug

4 is the correct answer. I'll also accept 3

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:09

Hyperlynx: Sep 13, 2015

Ok. This is less obvious than I thought, for a throwaway joke, but I'll try explain it harder.

Here's formatted with spaces:

code:

void someFunction(int someParam,
                  int anotherParam,
                  int etc);

Here's trying to get the same formatting in Notepad on my system, with tabs and spaces. Apparently the tabs are set to 8 spaces wide:

code:

void someFunction(int someParam,
		  int anotherParam,
		  int etc);

I check my source into the repository, and you check it out. If you happen to have your tabs set to 4 spaces wide, it will instead look like this:

code:

void someFunction(int someParam,
          int anotherParam,
          int etc);

Conclusion: if you use tabs, you have no control over how the code is going to look in your reader's IDE. If they don't have the same tab setting as you, it's going to look weird. However if you use spaces you know it's going to look right because everybody uses monospaced font.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:14

GenericOverusedName: Nov 24, 2009; KUVA TEAM EPIC

Quick, let's start a war about vim vs emacs now!

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:24

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Could this be skewed by those awful horrible no-good very-bad languages in which whitespace matters?

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:28

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

GenericOverusedName posted:

Quick, let's start a war about vim vs emacs now!

Like there's people to fight the war on the vim side, everyone has long since switched to nano.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 16:29

No Safe Word: Feb 26, 2005

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Like there's people to fight the war on the vim side, everyone has long since switched to nano.

fight me

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Could this be skewed by those awful horrible no-good very-bad languages in which whitespace matters?

They actually break it down by language as well: https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/

# ? Jun 16, 2017 17:41

SupSuper: Apr 8, 2009; At the Heart of the city is an Alien horror, so vile and so powerful that not even death can claim it.

Hyperlynx posted:

Conclusion: if you use tabs, you have no control over how the code is going to look in your reader's IDE. If they don't have the same tab setting as you, it's going to look weird. However if you use spaces you know it's going to look right because everybody uses monospaced font.

Actually the conclusion is you should use both based on context instead of mindlessly applying a rule everywhere. Tabs provide customizable identation where it is flexible while spaces provide fixed spacing where it is strict. Everybody wins! :eng101:

# ? Jun 16, 2017 18:05

Aleph Null: Jun 10, 2008; You look very stressed; Tortured By Flan

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Like there's people to fight the war on the vim side, everyone has long since switched to nano.

gedit - command-line is for old beards only.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 19:39

lifg: Dec 4, 2000; <this tag left blank>; Muldoon

I just set a tab to equal one space. Problem solved.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 19:41

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Take tabs of acid and space out.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 19:51

bookkeeper: Jul 14, 2010; it means "the kapital"

lifg posted:

I just set a tab to equal one space. Problem solved.

the horror!

# ? Jun 16, 2017 19:55

Forgall: Oct 16, 2012; by Azathoth

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:10

Regalingualius: Jan 7, 2012; We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.

No ring.

# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:14

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

I think you'll find there are two rings in that image

# ? Jun 16, 2017 21:00

Mr. Fix It: Oct 26, 2000; 💀ayyy💀

SupSuper posted:

Actually the conclusion is you should use both based on context instead of mindlessly applying a rule everywhere. Tabs provide customizable identation where it is flexible while spaces provide fixed spacing where it is strict. Everybody wins!

Yeah, tabs for indenting, spaces for alignment. Unless the style guide says spaces for indenting. Never use tabs for alignment. Also vim 4 lyfe.

To make this post thread appropriate

# ? Jun 16, 2017 23:13

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

Look at all you plebs using white space.

I program entirely in binary. :smaug:

# ? Jun 16, 2017 23:15

Lottery of Babylon: Apr 25, 2012; STRAIGHT TROPIN'

# ? Jun 16, 2017 23:39

Powered Descent: Jul 13, 2008; We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Mr. Fix It posted:

Yeah, tabs for indenting, spaces for alignment. Unless the style guide says spaces for indenting. Never use tabs for alignment. Also vim 4 lyfe.

To make this post thread appropriate

I'm fairly neutral on the tabs-vs-spaces issue, but I have strong opinions on the placement of curly braces.

Allman 4 lyfe

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Stoatbringer: Sep 15, 2004; naw, you love it you little ho-bot

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I program entirely in binary.

The trick is to simply get the 1s and 0s in the right order.

Also, Allman style.

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Allman too, though K&R is tolerable.

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Chitin: Apr 29, 2007; It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Lottery of Babylon posted:

After that they could pop on down the corner and get some French ticklers.

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Hyperlynx: Sep 13, 2015

We use GNU at work. I'm one of the two Windows devs in the office, and Visual Studio doesn't support GNU style, so I always have to fix the indenting manually :saddowns:

# ? Jun 17, 2017 00:35

Talkie Toaster: Jan 23, 2006; May contain carcinogens

Powered Descent posted:

I'm fairly neutral on the tabs-vs-spaces issue, but I have strong opinions on the placement of curly braces.

Allman 4 lyfe

GNU is an absolute crime.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 00:44

hooah: Feb 6, 2006; WTF?

Not as bad as Whitesmiths. Who the actual gently caress writes code that way??

# ? Jun 17, 2017 00:53

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

Look at all you plebs using white space.

I program entirely in binary.

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 01:17

Mr. Fix It: Oct 26, 2000; 💀ayyy💀

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Allman too, though K&R is tolerable.

I probably default to K&R due to it being most prevalent in the stuff I work on, but Allman seems more "right" to me. gently caress all those other ones.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:41

Warbird: May 23, 2012; America's Favorite Dumbass

Allman4lyfe

Also, real playas just throw poo poo in an editor and let Beautify do the work.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 02:47

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Allman or bust.

# ? Jun 17, 2017 04:05

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

Horstmann > K&R > Allman

# ? Jun 17, 2017 04:34

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Platystemon posted:

Horstmann > K&R > Allman

BURN THIS HEATHEN!

# ? Jun 17, 2017 04:41

Olive!: Mar 16, 2015; It's not a ghost, but probably a 'living corpse'. The 'living dead' with a hell of a lot of bloodlust...

Can we at least agree that Pico can go to hell

# ? Jun 17, 2017 04:52

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; as a person who never leaves my house i've done pretty well for myself.

Olive Garden tonight! posted:

Can we at least agree that Pico can go to hell

It�s better than Whitesmiths or GNU.

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Xun: Apr 25, 2010

Allman forever, K&R can suck it

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Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Xun posted:

Allman forever, K&R can suck it

R can't anymore. :rip:

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