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WindyMan posted:How many rikishi from Western European countries have had a run in Sumo? Like, what's the highest rank someone from the most unlikely country has attained? Not really Western Europe, but recent Ozekis Baruto and Kotooshu are from Estonia and Bulgaria respectively. Takanoyama is from the Czech Republic, but only made it as high as M12 and arguably he was only up that high because of bans after the fixing scandal. Tsaedje fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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WindyMan posted:How many rikishi from Western European countries have had a run in Sumo? Like, what's the highest rank someone from the most unlikely country has attained? the most unlikely country to field a rikishi of any considerable success will probably always be egypt with osunaarashi, who seemed like he was probably destined for an ozeki rank someday before he ran into injury trouble. he's still pretty young and could still get there someday i guess, but it's been tough sledding for him for the past year or so. still, making the top division at all is no easy feat
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Jun 5, 2017 20:35
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A list of all foreign born rishiki http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?shikona=&shusshin=202 Looks like a Brit called Nathan Strange competed as Hidenokuni in a few tournaments reaching Jonidan89 for the March 1990 basho, but didn't compete in it and retired. That's it for Western Europe.
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Jun 5, 2017 20:37
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a false posted:the most unlikely country to field a rikishi of any considerable success will probably always be egypt with osunaarashi, who seemed like he was probably destined for an ozeki rank someday before he ran into injury trouble. I knew Osunaarashi was Egyptian but I didn't realize he was the first and only in Sumo. That's pretty neat. I see the two from Western Samoa, which I would think would have produced more rikishi in the same vein as American Hawaiians. Nankairyu of Samoa got up to M2 in 1988.
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The only active American rishiki is Musashikuni who I am pretty sure is Yokozuna Musashimaru's son. Unfortunately he's not really living up to the family name, so far not managing to progress higher than Makushita
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Tsaedje posted:The only active American rishiki is Musashikuni who I am pretty sure is Yokozuna Musashimaru's son. Unfortunately he's not really living up to the family name, so far not managing to progress higher than Makushita Don't forget about Wakaichiro, aka the Fro. He is half Japanese, but he is an American from Texas, so more of an American than Musashikuni - who is actually Musashimaru's nephew. Also, he has one of the best shikonas ever, since Wakaichiro 若一郎 literally translates to "Young Ichiro' - and his name is Ichiro Young. a false posted:the most unlikely country to field a rikishi of any considerable success will probably always be egypt with osunaarashi, who seemed like he was probably destined for an ozeki rank someday before he ran into injury trouble. he's still pretty young and could still get there someday i guess, but it's been tough sledding for him for the past year or so. still, making the top division at all is no easy feat Also Brazil, which produced Kaisei. A little less unlikely than Egypt though, since Brazil has a fairly significant Japanese population. WindyMan posted:I ask this, because I recent came across this video of Schwingen, which is basically the Swiss version of Sumo wrestling. That's very interesting - never heard of Schwingen before. That looks very similar to Mongolian wrestling (Bokh), which is usually the first wrestling style that people compare to sumo. Check out some Naadam videos if you're interested in why Mongolians tend to enter the sumo world and start knocking the poo poo out of everyone.
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Mary Annette posted:Care to elaborate? I can't see the upside to this strategy, short of it being a tax write-off or something similar. There's probably more to it than this, but Shikihide-oyakata's policy for recruiting is based on "love for sumo" not talent. Hattorizakura, probably the most persistently awful wrestler ever, is from Shikihide: http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Rikishi.aspx?r=12268
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Elissimpark posted:There's probably more to it than this, but Shikihide-oyakata's policy for recruiting is based on "love for sumo" not talent. Hey man, at least he's got a win. One more win than all of those more-talented wrestlers who don't love sumo!
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Elissimpark posted:There's probably more to it than this, but Shikihide-oyakata's policy for recruiting is based on "love for sumo" not talent. Yeah, Shikihide is kind of the anti-scandal, anti-corruption heya and puts forward a good face for sumo. Their practices have some of the highest attendances and the koenkai price is just under the top stables, just because of this. I have no idea if its part of some agreement with Ministry of Education or sumo's level 2 tax exemption status for education about culture but it wouldn't surprise me.  CHEERFUL FUN VIGOROUS New Rikishi (Shindeshi) Recruitment Drive Shikihidebeya is now recruiting new rikishi. Whether or not you have sumo experience is not a problem. Want to discover your hidden talent and inner passion with us? Sumo is your interest but you are distressed, you've lost the way... YOU, please talk to your parent or guardian without delay. Love sumo and enjoy sumo without interruption 'I want to become strong!' ’I want to reach sekitori!' 'I want to aim for yokozuna!' Then a bunch of stuff about Shikihide oyakata that seems aimed at parents, about his passion to bring up deshi the right way, character and personal development yadda yadda. If you're over 167cm and 67kg you can DM them on Twitter to join.  
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Huh, Shikihide is a contraction of Shikimori Hidegoro. Thanks Sumo Reference for that tidbit. Shikimori is one of the two surnames that the gyojis use, for those who came in late. I wonder if the contraction is used to avoid confusion...
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WindyMan posted:I knew Osunaarashi was Egyptian but I didn't realize he was the first and only in Sumo. That's pretty neat. another one that i forgot about was kototenta/kototenzan, who was a canadian named john tenta who went undefeated at the lower ranks before going back to north america and becoming much more famous as WWF wrestler Earthquake
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Jun 6, 2017 13:57
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I think I just barely meet the weight requirement for that stable. I would probably need to eat a large meal before weigh-in, just to be sure, though. Relatedly, dang, you can be pretty skinny and join them.
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Uncle Jam posted:
Holy poo poo I just barely make the cut. That dream I had several years ago where I yorikiri'd Hakuho just came one step closer to reality.
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For the metrically impaired, 167cm and 67kg is about 5'6" and 148lbs. Even by Japanese standards that doesn't seem very big.
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Anime Reference posted:For the metrically impaired, 167cm and 67kg is about 5'6" and 148lbs. Even by Japanese standards that doesn't seem very big. Remember though these limits were made with the fact that mostly 15 and 16 year olds were joining at the time. I grabbed a bit of height even freshman year in college...
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I have to wonder, do the young kids typically do better if they train as amateurs, rather than jumping into Ozumo in their teens? A quick check of the database shows a split for the Japanese, with about half joining around 18-20 and half waiting until around 24.
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Just on a gut feel, I think it is hard to say it just based on simple stats. You are introducing some clear selection bias in the mix if the question is asked like that: the potential of someone entering a heya in their teens and doing their maezumo entry then is a question, while if someone does college or amateur sumo for their teens and early 20s before going for pro, you likely weed out some (most?) of those already who simply do not have what it takes.
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Seems like going the college route if you can leaves you something to fall back on if the sumo doesn't pan out
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There were also a couple of Argentines who wrestled back in the late 80s and 90s, they both made it into juryo at one point or another. One of them was the first (and I think only so far) Jewish rikishi. Their shikona were Hoshitango and Hoshiandeesu, so I feel like the current crop of foreigners got off lightly with pun-related names.
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Apraxin posted:Their shikona were Hoshitango and Hoshiandeesu, so I feel like the current crop of foreigners got off lightly with pun-related names.  I feel like it wouldn't have been surprising if they had just gone with Kuroichiro instead of Wakaichiro.e: loving lol Hoshiandesu's 'given' name was Hose. His real name - Jose. e2: one of the first things I find when searching on Hoshitango is Mark Buckton being an insufferable rear end in a top hat. Go figure. Fryhtaning fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jun 7, 2017 |
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Fryhtaning posted:
I was not expecting that.
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Elissimpark posted:Hattorizakura, probably the most persistently awful wrestler ever, is from Shikihide: A twenty-seven year career, No. 371 on the all-time win list, and his highest ever rank was Jonidan 68.
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Apraxin posted:Sorry, no-one is ever going to take the 'most persistently awful' title from all time MVP Kasachikara. I think there comes a point where you've just got to respect the guy for doing what he wants to do in life.
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Apraxin posted:Sorry, no-one is ever going to take the 'most persistently awful' title from all time MVP Kasachikara. I don't know - Kasachikara already had 18 wins at the same stage of his career as Hattorizakura. I mean, he'll need to persist for another couple of decades, but he's certainly got the (complete and utter lack of ANY) potential to make it! WindyMan posted:I think there comes a point where you've just got to respect the guy for doing what he wants to do in life. Yeah, I've kinda got a little place in my heart for those older guys struggling in the lower divisions.
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Probably shouting into the void, posting here between bashos, but in reference to the brief discussion about rikishis who go to college, versus those who start young: http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0003662709 This was posted on Sumo Forum just recently.
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I read every new post in this thread. So, keep the news and interesting articles coming. I read them even if I don't respond.
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Kibner posted:I read every new post in this thread. So, keep the news and interesting articles coming. I read them even if I don't respond. This thread and Kintamayama's newsletter are my only updates in between basho. He stopped the newsletter earlier in the year though.
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Kibner posted:I read every new post in this thread. So, keep the news and interesting articles coming. I read them even if I don't respond. Same, I rarely even comment during the Basho, but I watch and lurk with the best of them.
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Kibner posted:I read every new post in this thread. So, keep the news and interesting articles coming. I read them even if I don't respond. I barely respond to anything but like this cool dude I read every post and love the articles and tidbits I'd not find anywhere else.
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Is next basho's banzuke out yet?
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Puckish Rogue posted:I barely respond to anything but like this cool dude I read every post and love the articles and tidbits I'd not find anywhere else.   Go Shohozan!
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Kanthulhu posted:Is next basho's banzuke out yet? The banzuke usually comes out about 2 weeks before the tournament starts. Looks like July's will be out on June 26th. The official sumo site always has the schedule published (the "sumo ranking announced" date).
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I fully admit that watching this video was like the sumo equivalent of clicking on a random cute cat video, but: https://youtu.be/egxFBV9J3ag Abbot and Costello in the dohyo. 
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Diplomat posted:This thread and Kintamayama's newsletter are my only updates in between basho. He stopped the newsletter earlier in the year though. You need to check you spam/ subscribe to the new group, it's still active.  I thiink you can subscribe through here? https://groups.google.com/group/sumo-newsletter2
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Supradog posted:You need to check you spam/ subscribe to the new group, it's still active. My man
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:I fully admit that watching this video was like the sumo equivalent of clicking on a random cute cat video, but: https://youtu.be/egxFBV9J3ag That's called shokkiri - a fairly common act they do sometime before the basho begins, and always hilarious. Usually a couple of low-ranked guys who put the skit together, but I'd give my left nut to see Ikioi and Aminishiki do a full shokkiri act.
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Following this thread is what made me give that sumo manga a chance. It's... not terrible for a shonen. Pretty enjoyable, actually. Not high art or anything, but a quality read for its genre and intended audience.
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Kibner posted:Following this thread is what made me give that sumo manga a chance. It's... not terrible for a shonen. Pretty enjoyable, actually. Not high art or anything, but a quality read for its genre and intended audience. Is that the one with the small dude who wants to do "yokozuna" sumo? I forget the name and I'd like to catch up. Everytime I see Ogarumo oyakata on the live feed, I always read it "onigaruma" thanks to that.
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Elissimpark posted:Is that the one with the small dude who wants to do "yokozuna" sumo? I forget the name and I'd like to catch up. Yup, that's the one. Hinomaru Zumou. I think they are making an anime out of it soon?
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There's another one called Notari Matsutaro that was made into an anime in 2014 called Abarenbo Rikishi Matsutaro that might interest you as well.
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