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honestly idk how people can say I'm scum when dr.hurt had been spending the entire game calling me a dumbfuck and invalidating everything I say
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Kasumeat posted:I think he's saying that Chaos is stating the obvious and expressing his frustration over the fact that Chaos is not being lynched Okay, I think I just misread it or something. So yeah CL seems a prime suspect. ##vote chaoslord
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Jun 18, 2017 19:51
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Tired Moritz posted:yeah, that's the point. he's saying completely obvious comments. And yet you're not voting me  Anyone, getting on flight 2 now, gonna do this for the time being ##vote kasu See everyone after I land in mumbles
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Jun 18, 2017 20:17
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lol ok ##vote ChaosLord
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Jun 18, 2017 20:18
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Leaving my vote where it is for now but notice that TM didn't vote me earlier even though apparently my post was so bad it made him scream and then he came back to explain his post and still didn't vote me. Airplane mode!
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Jun 18, 2017 20:30
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and what conclusions can you make out of that? lol at this low effort push. ERRR THIS GUY DIDNT IMMEDIATELY VOTE ME THATS BAD NEWS
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Jun 18, 2017 20:33
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I loved that CL's argument wasn't anything defending about his bland rear end post but is to immediately deflect the situation and attack me. Even he knows that his post was irredeemably terrible.
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Jun 18, 2017 20:40
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I didn't realize ninth is dead.  Phone posting in a Mafia game is way harder than it sounds.
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Jun 18, 2017 22:55
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Ernie. posted:I didn't realize ninth is dead. Ignore me for a sec, even if you believe I am the worst scummy fucker in the history of Earth, there must be other scum about, who would that be to you?
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Jun 18, 2017 23:04
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Raeg posted:Ignore me for a sec, even if you believe I am the worst scummy fucker in the history of Earth, there must be other scum about, who would that be to you? Probably Tired Moritz and/or Sandwolf. It's hard to be invested when (a) i thought my claiming would go differently and (b) i feel like my casing of you isn't even taken into account by a majority of the thread particularly because of (a). What I thought about Moritz D1 makes me feel iffy now because the self-conscious play almost feels cautiously decided so he doesn't ruffle too many feathers. Sandwolf on the other hand is very bullish which feels like it comes from somewhere that's not actually scumhunting, but from having a secret plan. Chaoslord is definitely not the right lunch because scum wouldn't put themselves in a position where it looks like their input is worthless/meaningless after they flip. Scum have an agenda and always try to at least subtly nudge the thread in one direction or another. Chaos just seems like he's reflecting the mood of the thread back at it.
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Yeah, I just don't see Chaos as the right choice today. I really think it's Sandwolf, but I'd also vote for Kasu. I really do think one of the two votes on me is scum. And Ernie, I'm curious, what kind of reaction were you expecting when you claimed?
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Jun 18, 2017 23:46
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TMMadman posted:And Ernie, I'm curious, what kind of reaction were you expecting when you claimed? i dunno i really hoped it would be 'okay, give us all your reads asap and we'll let you live'. naive i know, but that's really what i wanted. in my head i'd done some incredibly bad math that wasting a lunch day on me would just lead to a power-role being offed, that it's not an even trade.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:23
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Cl can literally murder someone in this thread and you guys would ignore it. loving goddamn.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:52
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Tired Moritz posted:and what conclusions can you make out of that? I mean if you really, truly believed I was scum that made an absolutely terrible post wouldn't you vote it? So the conclusion is that you don't actually believe it.
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Tired Moritz posted:Cl can literally murder someone in this thread and you guys would ignore it. loving goddamn. They're just good at mafia 
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Jun 19, 2017 03:53
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Anyway, I know Kasu said he'd be busy but I still was hoping he'd be around to react to the vote I put on him. ##vote sandwolf Case is fine and from a mechanical standpoint I don't think sandwolf is someone that can be brought to lylo
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Jun 19, 2017 03:55
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chaoslord posted:I mean if you really, truly believed I was scum that made an absolutely terrible post wouldn't you vote it? I don't throw votes around early because I hate dicking around with bolding and voting. Hell, I once died D1 because I was bitching about people throwing votes around. This conclusion is dumb and also makes no sense. Also why the gently caress are people taking the opinions of a self-proclaimed THIRD PARTY seriously? whhhy killing sandwolf is fine because lurkers are scum/active town liability too.
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Jun 19, 2017 03:59
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Tired, I think you need to relax if you are actually town. Yes, Chaos might be scum, but do you think he's really the better option over one of Kasu/Sandwolf? There are four groups of people right now: Kasu/Sandwolf, Chaos/Tired/Hal, Raeg/Circl, Ernie/TMM. The first group didn't vote for flipped scum Hurt, the second group did vote for Hurt, Raeg(off Hurt)/Circl(on Hurt) have both claimed roles that likely make them NK targets, and Ernie (3P/not town) and I (town) have known alignments. So the only good lynch targets are from the first two groups today and I think the group that didn't vote Hurt is the best chance.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:43
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I believe that CL is just as valid as an option as Sandwolf. I just don't want people to blank out and ignore CL. A lot of people are basically ignoring him. I rather kill CL > Sandwolf > Ernie >>> Kasu and I know you're going to say that CL voted Dr. Hurt but it's not like hammering someone is a towntell. I think it's very naive and wrong if we fall into this fallacy that just because those people didn't vote for Dr. Hurt that it means that they're scum. like srsly the scum team has to be CL+Sandwolf+Dr.Hurt. They're not even like trying at all.
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Jun 19, 2017 06:59
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The more time goes by without Sandwolf showing up in the thread, the more I'm okay with lynching them despite the go-nowhere report.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:42
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CirclMastr posted:The more time goes by without Sandwolf showing up in the thread, the more I'm okay with lynching them despite the go-nowhere report. I'm not overly concerned about Sandwolf not moving at night because with a flipped watcher and a claimed tracker (you), scum almost certainly have a ninja to avoid those roles. Since we haven't had anyone claim to be roleblocked, I'm thinking the scum team was a goon, a ninja and a godfather since we had a cop flip and Raeg said he gets a 1x cop.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:57
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chaoslord posted:Anyway, I know Kasu said he'd be busy but I still was hoping he'd be around to react to the vote I put on him. It's a little off putting to decide to just move your vote without ever waiting for the reaction you had been hoping for. This feels scummy and opportunistic. It would be an odd move to do this if both chaos and sandwolf were scum though
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Jun 19, 2017 18:43
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TMMadman posted:Since we haven't had anyone claim to be roleblocked, I'm thinking the scum team was a goon, a ninja and a godfather since we had a cop flip and Raeg said he gets a 1x cop. Is goon a role or just a vanilla scum?
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Jun 19, 2017 19:17
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CirclMastr posted:Is goon a role or just a vanilla scum? Goon is just vanilla scum.
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Jun 19, 2017 19:23
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Hal Incandenza posted:It's a little off putting to decide to just move your vote without ever waiting for the reaction you had been hoping for. This feels scummy and opportunistic. This is a fair criticism but I was unsure if I would have much posting time today so I moved it. I feel somewhat vindicated in that decision since Kasu hasn't been back yet.
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OK, should finally have some time to post today.chaoslord posted:Content gamed with an unpopular opinion (he said he'd vig ernie for the first vote in the game which was a joke vote - TMM wasn't sure it was a joke vote, but saying something like that early on is going to get folks to look at you and is completely avoidable as scum), and we've agreed on what I would call the high points of the game for the most part. Obviously, I can be wrong, but I know I'm town and how I see the game so when I see someone who agrees with me a good amount on the big picture items, I tend to think they're town. So his response to "why is TMM town (before getting confirmed)" is essentially he's too scummy to be scum and then some vague non-answer of "we agree on the big picture". Chaos was literally the only player in the game townreading TMM at this point. Townreading a player this scummy isn't something a townie does, it's something scum do to look good after a flip. Inf was so sure of TMM being scum he risked his life to try to kill TMM, yet he was a townread for you??? chaoslord posted:I would not particularly call any of my reads strong at this point, ha, so I'll just walk you through where I am on everyone. Raeg and Moritz are the only players I'm really reading as scum but I'm rapidly losing confidence in those cases for various reasons. Well, moreso the Raeg than the Moritz one. So I guess it's Moritz 1 and Raeg 2 as my strongest reads, but at the moment I could not push them with full confidence. And now look at this poo poo. Look at it. Literally every read he expresses is either "X is my strongest read, but it's not strong at all" or "these players have their alignments confirmed". This is an awful lot of words to commit to giving exactly zero reads. chaoslord posted:Anyway, I know Kasu said he'd be busy but I still was hoping he'd be around to react to the vote I put on him. Hal already touched at the opportunism here, but look at this loving language. "Fine from a mechanical standpoint." "Someone that [can't] be brought to lylo." Ask yourself, does this sound like an unsure townie who nonetheless is voting their strongest read? Or scum who is trying to distance himself from his vote on a player? I've been townreading Sand most of the game. His absence and TMM's "flip" was giving me pause, but with Chaos making this scummy loving push, I'm pretty loving confident he's town. ##vote chaos
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Jun 19, 2017 21:00
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So I'm now at -2 with one of the folks not voting, Hal, having said they think I am scummy. We are about to go back in from lunch so I'm back to being unsure of my ability to post for a while. I'll go ahead and claim so that those of y'all who are around can figure out what to do with it. I am Tim Howard, goalkeeper, Doctor. N1: Self N2: TMM N3: TNL "Now wait a minute chaos, TNL died n3." Yes, I'm very aware of that. Taste said my action was successful all the same. The conclusion to me means either juggernaut kill or scum/sk both targeted tnl and taste decided the doc was good for 1 kill only. I'm leaning towards the former. The TMM doc may explain the missing kill night 2, but scum may just have had a version of a JOAT all the same.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:02
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Hmmm... two goalkeepers. I still want to keep to Sandwolf for today tbh.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:10
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So one of Circl, Kasumeat or Tired is scum.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:12
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TMM... really? You must the most gullible person in the world. Doc claim sounds like bullshit.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:13
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Raeg posted:Hmmm... two goalkeepers. Who else was a goalkeeper? And regardless, soccer teams always carry two goalkeepers. So I'm not that worried about CLs claim.
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I just want to emphasize that TMM saw someone admit that they visited someone that's dead, claimed that they're doc, and immediately went "yup this makes sense there's no way this is a fake claim at all".
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Jun 19, 2017 21:17
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Tired Moritz posted:TMM... really? You must the most gullible person in the world. How does it sound like bullshit? Do you not think there is a doctor in this game? Are you counterclaiming chaos?
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Tired Moritz posted:I just want to emphasize that TMM saw someone admit that they visited someone that's dead, claimed that they're doc, and immediately went "yup this makes sense there's no way this is a fake claim at all". The claimed tracker already gave his results. Why in the world would a scum Chaos come out and say, 'I'm at -2, but I'm the doctor and I visited the NK?'
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Jun 19, 2017 21:20
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##unvote for now while I think
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Jun 19, 2017 21:26
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We have a watcher/tracker/cop/2 town masons and now we're being told that they're a doc. come on. how many power roles do we have in this 16 player game?TMMadman posted:The claimed tracker already gave his results. Why in the world would a scum Chaos come out and say, 'I'm at -2, but I'm the doctor and I visited the NK?' maybe it's a gambit? You were willing to push Infinitum, why are you so willing to believe ChaosLord's claim? There's absolutely no proof that he's a doctor. Had you never played a game where scum claimed that they're a doc to stop from being lynched? It's like mafia 101.
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Jun 19, 2017 21:28
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TMMadman posted:Who else was a goalkeeper? I thought that mind have been the case. The other one was Gulag but at the time I thought goalkeeper being VT was weird.
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So we have: Inf: Confirmed Mason AS: Confirmed Mason TNL: Confirmed Tracker Jam: Confirmed Cop Raeg: Claimed JOAT-like role Circle: Claimed Tracker and now Chaos: Claimed Doc And the flipped scum is a Goon. There is no way all of these claims are real.
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So Tired are you scum with Sandwolf? Are you a frustrated SK whose kills keep getting blocked? Or maybe that missing vig and you didn't want to admit it because you killed Jam?
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