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Leraika posted:So I'm still not seeing where this thing isn't just My Little Pony with scales. Especially since it sounds as if you have to track which gems are yours and which you've gotten from other people.
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Servetus posted:Exactly. it duplicated you, and then another mechanism dropped the original into the water-filled case to drown. Or in that episode's case, it duplicated Riker but then failed to kill the original through disintegration. Some of this can be good fun but I think it gets commonly bandied about to the point of interfering with actually examining themes or ideas in a work. I ran into this in literature courses I took too, when a book had fantastic elements in it, like Slaughterhouse-5 did; you could just short-circuit any consideration there by saying "The hero is an unreliable narrator and is mentally ill."
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The only good version of that concept I ever read was a short book about people who get teleported to an alien zoo. They realize the zookeeper is replicated when they kill it, then are allowed to view their originals being interviewed on TV about the space mission they came back from. These humans still don't put 2 & 2 together, make their escape, get to the teleporter, and when the light turns off and the doors open there are a bunch of zookeepers waiting for them, because they just sent a new set of copies back to earth-orbit.
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Well, SOMA did a really good job with it, although reduced to its purest form in the sense that there is no teleporter and everyone is just an electronic copy of someone...but the main character just can't wrap his head around the fact that when he is "downloaded" it doesn't mean the original magically disappears. GANTZ played with it in an interesting way since the characters are copied (they refer to it as being faxed, which is a good way to sum up the analogy) just before death with their original bodies being erased...except in one case where the original survived her death leading to a clone situation.
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Selachian posted:Especially since it sounds as if you have to track which gems are yours and which you've gotten from other people. To be fair, at least in that regard they've thought it through - your
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Night10194 posted:This is the big key to why they fall flat. I will never totally be down on 'The Big Reveal' as a DMing trick because one of the best campaigns I ever played in relied on it; an old Spycraft 1e game where the twist was we were playing a prologue to X-COM without ever being told that until we pieced it together in game. The key to that was, none of that invalidated our accomplishments or made our characters useless; one of my PCs (everyone had a Combat/Field and Support PC) was a badass Marine supply officer recruited for security and her ability to wield a 23mm anti-vehicular shotgun turned out really goddamn useful when we had to kill a Muton with human weapons in the finale, etc. It also never betrayed the pitch; we were still an NSA black ops team that happened to piece together, then save the fledgingly X-COM project from thin-men, sectoids, and a couple Mutons sent in to strangle it in the crib at the climax. Us being a bunch of hyper-competent g-men and action heroes was still the core of the game and why that big surprise was exciting and fun instead of being a huge letdown. That sounds kickin' rad and a great example of a BIG REVEAL that doesn't undermine the rest of the preceding campaign. Nessus posted:As for Call of Cthulhu, I don't know if there's a fixed opinion there but it seems to me like the setting has always made it clear that while in the grand and cosmic sense you can't beat Cthulhu or slay all the Elder Gods or what-have-you, you can understand things and protect the world. So it's bleak but you know it up front that you're in a horror game. Sort of like the "Dark Fate" flaw in WOD! All of my CoC experience has been with Delta Green, but yeah, that setting does make it clear that while some (or even all) of you are going to die trying to stop Unknowable Horrors, you can stop them, for now.
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Nessus posted:
I hate this kind of literary analysis, it's either 'the hero is Jesus', 'everything is a pro-communist screed', and 'the hero is mentally ill' - the last one was infuriating as the teacher reduced The Yellow Paper to just the narrator being mad, and not at all about the oppression and lack of autonomy that women had over their own health, or the lengths one goes to find a voice when their means of communicating is cut off.
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Robindaybird posted:I hate this kind of literary analysis, it's either 'the hero is Jesus', 'everything is a pro-communist screed', and 'the hero is mentally ill' - the last one was infuriating as the teacher reduced The Yellow Paper to just the narrator being mad, and not at all about the oppression and lack of autonomy that women had over their own health, or the lengths one goes to find a voice when their means of communicating is cut off. Wow, that is some weapons grade irony right there. Somehow their analysis of the story that, even if you boil off most of the subtext and not-so-sub-text, is about the injust imprisonment of a woman whose failure to adhere to social roles is labeled as a mental illness is..."yeah, they were probably right" I mean, I'd imagine the back of the book summary probably has a more in-depth reading of the text than that.
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Mors Rattus posted:Epyllion: The Dragon is perceptive, his eyes alert as his mind. Only he discerns a difference in a mirror. This is potentially fascinating because it implies that one of the primary actions in the game is sticking it to the
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 CHAPTER FOUR PART TWO CREATING THE PURIFIED There are two handy little charts here. Let’s just defer to them.   Innate Abilities For starts, genuine immortality. You’re in peak health forever in a body that’s roughly in their mid-20s. All burns, scars, tattoos and piercings fade away and heal after a few days unless you pay points of Willpower out to keep the alterations to your body. You’re immune to all disease, get +2 to resisting poison and heal faster (1 bashing every 5 minutes, 1 lethal every 4, 1 aggravated every 12) but can’t pick any further faster healing abilities. You can automatically see and hear all ghosts/beings of Twilight (or choose not to) and are capable of speaking the language of spirits (albeit you have to be actually speaking). Finally, they get an altered type of Unseen Sense that gives them unerring ability to detect supernatural powers (but not their sources), anything regarding spirits and the Shadow Realm and the ability to sense loci and verges. They also get Chi, the measure of the ability to control Essence like a spirit can. Chi is one to five dots and is fuel for powers along with acting as supernatural defense/advantage, how much Essence you can hold and rough measure of power/standing in the Shadow Realm.   Uses of points of Essence. Essence can’t be generated by the Purified because they’re no longer human, they’re more like spirits. To get more Essence, a Purified must go to loci and project out of their bodies and do some rolls to get 1 point of Essence per success. This amount is limited; a Purified can only eat Essence from a single locus equal to 3xRating of locus. Want more Essence? Simply forcibly take it from a spirit or from another Purified. So You “Died” Whoops! Good news: as long as your mind exists and your spirit body is uneaten, you can reform your body even if it’s been broken down to ash. As previously indicated in that list a bit up, a minimum of 5 Essence will reconstitute your body and let you slide back in. If the body is still intact, you still pay some Essence to undo any rot or damage. Once the body is reconstituted, it looks like it’s in a deep coma for up to a month as long as you’ve sunk 1 point into the rebuilt body. You can spend the other 4 to fully come back to life. So, in short, Average Jenny Purified falls into an atomic wood chipper and dies. 5 Essence to rebuild her body from scratch, 5 Essence to crawl back in and reanimate it and as long as you spend 1 Essence to get back in it doesn’t rot.  However, I previously mentioned that it’s not particularly safe for a Purified to be reduced to their spirit form. As long as you have 1 Essence left in your bank, you can survive the destruction of your mind while in the Shadow Realm. You’ll be scattered to the winds and have to regenerate, but you’ll survive as long as you can regain Essence equal to your Willpower. Get destroyed when there’s 0 Essence in reserve and that’s it, you’re truly done for. Fabulous Powers of the Immortal Dead Numina are what all ghosts and spirits know, and the Purified are allowed to know some of those too: Blast, Camouflage, Commune, Concealment, Ghost Sign, Heal, Left-Handed Spanner, Omen Trance, Speed, Telekinesis, Wilds Sense. Or, in order:
When making a Purified, they get 4 dots of powers. Okay actually they get 3; one of those dots is immediately assigned to the Spirit Projection ability. Without that, the Purified couldn't enter the Shadow. So you have three points to spend on Numina or Siddhi. Siddhi are powers only the Purified can wield. They only go up to 3 in each little tree but fortunately a lot of them are Essence-friendly (and even if they aren't, you can gather the Essence you need across turns). You also have to buy the Siddhi in order up the little progression tree. Siddhi have the benefit of being usable regardless of distance if the Purified has a strong enough bond with the target to redirect it through the Shadow Realm. On the other hand, the Gauntlet provides a hindrance with some powers; if the Gauntlet between the Mortal Realm and Shadow Realm is too thick in places, it's harder to punch through. These rules don't apply to every roll though; the rule of Mystical Connection only applies to bypassing distance limitations, the rule of the Gauntlet only apply to mentally/physically passing through it or to see/sense across it.   Blargh, I thought I was going to be concise. ONTO THE POWERS!  Costs of upgrading a Purified character. COMMAND
These powers are all about using the Shadow as a short-cut and the TN is 5xSiddhi's rank; mystical connection applies and so do Gauntlet strength rules. The Purified can't do anything other than focus and use these powers.
Projection is where the rules about having your spirit detached from your body go into play. Your spirit heals separately from your body, your body is in a coma and you can actually bring other people and items along with you this way. Return to your body by finding a locus, any locus. You don't want to lose the spirits of normal people while doing this. This power can also be used to bring things Size 3 or less back from the Shadow Realm, Twilight or Underworld.
The Purified very carefully works their way towards being able to physically enter Twilight, not just via spirit.
Summoning requires you to beat a TN of 2xSpirit's highest attribute. The rules for the Gauntlet apply unless the being is in Twilight or you're at a Verge.
Spiritual Defense is about immediate results. Warding is about long-term defense. TN is 5xSiddhi level and can either be temporary (until next sun-up or sunset) or be long-lasting (last for a full lunar month). For the former, the Purified must walk along the area. For the latter, the Purified must mark the area physically and the ward fails if the mark is disrupted. Wards can't be mobile and can only cover up to 100 yards on each side.
Purified can take Contacts, Mentors, Allies and Status with spirits with restrictions and a chat with the GM. They can also take Fetishes, Imbued Items, Libraries, Relics and Totems. 
Oh, as for the merits, they're a pretty decent spread of useful abilities. I quite like Shadow Sanctum; thematically it's nice and it would be a cool place for your Purified to bring their living buddies to if they had to. NEXT TIME: Playing Purified and sample characters, the end of this chapter and us being officially 3/4ths of the way through the book. Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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 Rifts World Book 13: Lone Star - Part Eleven: "King Macklin has tried to make a few shady deals with his CS contact (whom he knows only as Mr. Gene), including them throwing in together to usurp control of the Northern Quadrant and ruling the State of Lone Star as partners (yeah, right)." Leaders of the Pecos Empire By Julius Rosenstein & Kevin Siembieda  Native American + Old = Like, Double Wise, or Something. Gray Fox A cyber-ninja that formerly worked as a soldier for Big Boss- wait- no- start over- The leader of the largest Pecos tribe, the Apaches, Gray Fox once took over the Pecos Empire for two years during a time of plague before stepping down once the crisis is over. While himself an Apache by blood, his group of the Apache tribe seems to accept outsiders and d-bees in addition to indigenous Americans. (This will not be entirely true of the Apache later on.) He is, of course, wise and peaceful and more wise and even more peaceful and everybody respects and loves him him except pure jackasses like Macklin. In short, he's the wise old chief stereotype writ large. About the best thing it can be said is that though the Apaches follow the "old traditions" and "live off the land" (of course they do) they use a mixture of purloined and purchased technology in addition to magic.  "It's a heroic goatee." King Macklin The Legend Since he's being set up as the villain of the Pecos Empire, Macklin gets a lot of  about his life story. Essentially, he was a warlord's son given as a hostage to a rival tribe as part of a treaty as an adolescent, and was treated like crap but eventually returned. However, when his home tribe celebrated, the nameless rival tribe killed all of his home tribe's potential leadership except for him. And so, he lead a guerrila war that slaughtered the rival tribe, using his inside information against them and building an elite army. He became their King, and started raiding other tribes, like you do. As time has gone on, he's started stating an intent to take over the Pecos Empire and unite them against the Coalition and other threats.But then we get "The Truth - GM's Eyes Only." and "Players who read this section about King Macklin may ruin some of the enjoyment and mystery surrounding encounters with this character." This next part is a Gamemaster Klubhouse- players keep out! But most folks I think will be able to guess the truth - in reality he was working with the rival clan to eliminate any rivals to his kingship, then double-crossed them and killed their unsuspecting leaders during a peaceful meeting and took control of the rival tribe as well. He's also made a deal with Bradford (he doesn't know it's Bradford, just a "Mr. Gene" - get it?) to basically use his troops as hitmen against Coalition targets (Bradford's internal enemies). His troops have never faced a major Coalition force and probably are in for a surprise when the skull-jets come screaming in. But he gets by on being a demagogue and blowhard calling for war against the Coalition to try and unite the various tribes. Naturally, underneath it all, like almost every Siembieda villain, he's a megalomaniac. He's paranoid and pretty much nothing is beneath him to achieve his ends of conquest. Oh! And he's sadistic too! Like so many other Siembieda villains. For all the talk of him building a legend and being charming and deceptive, his only exceptional attribute is strength (though his attributes are, as with every NPC in this book, still unrollable nonsense). He's a 10th level Pecos Raider and we get a summary of his immediate henches. We're pointed to the Kingdom of Worth to learn more. Thanks, I'm good. Orpheus the Titan No relation to the actual Orpheus, as far as I can tell, but instead just a generic good guy "9th level warrior / mystic" (dear Rifts: please stop using Palladium classes and presuming Rifts players will just go out and buy that game, thanks) who is somehow dual classed and is a generic good guy - a paladin in all but name. He used to hang out with Gilgamesh and Endiku (as detailed in Pantheons of the Megaverse) after arriving on Rifts Earth, but went forth on his own and came across the community of Houstown, where most of their warriors had been killed by unspecified sea serpents. Orpheus rallied them to build more defenses and helped fight them off, after which he was welcomed as their new Mayor (though he prefers the title "Lord"). He's been trying to teach them that raiding is wrong, but they aren't particularly convinced. He's physically exceptional across the board and beautiful, and is is a skilled fighter and a middling spellcaster and psionic (as a mystic). He has silver hair and "dark eyes" so he might be a little anime.  It took us over twenty sourcebooks to get a named Simvan, here you go. Zimchex - Simvan The leader of the Percic Simvan tribe, Zimchex's older bother was slain by the Coalition during a peaceful trading journey, and so loving with them on the regular is a hobby of his. His tribe works in breeding horses, ostrosaurs, and other odd creatures, and they often raid Coalition forces or release dangerous creatures near them to cause havoc. He's also big into accepting runaway mutant animals, and so his tribe has a tiny minority of mutant animals in addition to Simvan. They also have a bloody rivalry with the "Long Knives" tribe of psi-stalkers - not that Zimchex hates psi-stalkers in general, but sure as hell hates the Long Knives for reasons that are probably long forgotten. His tribe also has a tradition of vampire hunting he upholds. Surprisingly, he's a perfectly decent guy who listens to his people and only really acts insensibly when it comes to the Coalition or Long Knives. There's no mention of the Simvans' usual "eat humans" policy and they seem to be largely just traders and not raiders. Bizarrely for a leader, both his affinity and beauty are the pits, with his prowess and endurance being his major traits as a 8th level Simvan Monster Rider. Also, he gets to use hand to hand: assassin without having the usual evil requirement, because well, that requirement's only to mess with PCs, no doubt.  Looks fine. Lianna the Wild Kidnapped and taken to be a raider chief's mistress as a teenager, Lianna pretended to become loyal to him in order to learn how to ride and shoot. When the raiders had a hard spot and was being jeered, he challenged somebody to try and take his place. Lianna took up the challenge, killing him in the resulting pistol duel, and took over the gang. Leading the gang on successful raids after that, she managed to silence opposition with further pistol duels, and renamed the raider gang the "She-Devils". Despite the name, the gang doesn't have any particular feminist theme - most of the gang is still male. They raid nomadically through Texas, Arkansas, and Louisana. Though she puts up a hard front, she has a heart of gold and doesn't allow her gang to victimize innocents, despite her Aberrant alignment, or raid a community to the point of starvation or hardship. We're told that she's famous enough that three (inaccurate) films have been made about her exploits. She's a 9th level Gunslinger (class not included in this book) with exceptional prowess. She's a minor psionic with just the ability to resist hunger or thirst. Honestly, she's interesting enough, all things considered. After the Coalition section, the bandit leaders feel like a breath of fresh air.   Sundance As in Sundance Kid, this guy claims to be the real wild west outlaw, who randomly got thrown through a rift when he leapt off a cliff to escape the Bolivian army. I guess that could happen? And he popped out safely? In any case, he's adapted to the new wild west well enough, though he's amazed by magic and hates vampires, like you do. Though a lot of people doubt his bonafides, he has rebuilt a Rifts version of the Wild Bunch. Some people in the Coalition want to try and catch him to see if his physiology might prove him to be an genuine pre-rifts human. But Bradford, bizarrely bereft of scientific curiosity, could care less. Still, some Coalition officials are worried he might become famous enough to unite the Pecos Empire. Sundance is convinced Butch Cassidy also made the journey, but got separated somehow, and is offering a bounty to anybody who can locate him, which is offered as an adventure hook. There's a joking hint that he might actually be Robert Redford reprising his role, but it's not expanded upon. There's another cute note that part of the reason a lot of folks take him seriously is that if he really was a wild west hero, he'd know of other famous "historical" figures like Clint Eastwood or the Lone Ranger. He's a 10th level Gunslinger, and has a high affinity, prowess, and endurance. He generally seems like a neat hook GMs could take in several directions. Warlord Grange Allen Grange is head of the Pecos Riders, one of the Pecos' most powerful gangs. As a young man, he was often discontent with raider leadership, and would often make up his own tactics and plans. He was a tactical smarty guy who went on to form his own gang, and built a rep he organized his gang on, as well as a small "kingdom" (though it feels more just like a town to me). Though his gang is large, his ability to organize other gangs to follow him is what makes him more of a contender as the leader of the Pecos Empire, and he acts as a rival to Sabre Lasar. He's a straightforward raider, though he's not vindictive and seems people fighting back against them as just something to be expected. He tries to innovate tactically and not rest on his laurels. Despite being a "genius" his intelligence is only above-average, and his mental endurance and affinity is where his strength lies. He's an 11th-level wilderness scout, and doesn't get a whole lot more than that. Oh, and this is a reprint from the last book, in case you missed him there, I supose  Guest starring Ladytron. Emperor Sabre Lasar The man who would be Emperor Head of the strongest gang in the Pecos Empire, and often able to gather other gangs under him, we don't get much background on Lasar. Which is weird given how much he's been played up so far. It turns out he's a young dragon (that is, to the tune of 3000 M.D.C. in disguise as a human), and the fact that he's more than human isn't a secret, though the fact that he's a dragon is. He's often merciful and has a strong sense of humor and is generally kind of idealized and flawless. As a 10th level fire dragon, he's got exceptional attributes all over, a poo poo-ton of spells and minor psionics. We also get a detailed breakdown of the Sabre Warriors (mostly humans, psi-stalkers, and simvan) but no real useful details other than a lot of numbers and percentage symbols. It's kind of surprising after all this buildup we get what amounts to a dry fart of a writeup.  "Haircut? No, I really did get my ears lowered." Warlord Don Marco Leader of the Silver Dagger Gang More akin to a criminal kingpin, the Silver Daggers have taken up the tactic of setting up permanent communities throughout the Pecos Empire that cater to nomadic and bandit needs and vices, and also act as central ports for organized raiders under his command, or for smuggling. Wait, where they smuggling to? It's not like anything is technically "illegal" in the Pecos Empire... in any case, they seem to be outdoing the Black Market (TM) in the Pecos Empire. Since he doesn't raid the Coalition much, they see him as a useful destabilizing force, and have infiltrated a psychic into his group of advisors to try and influence him to act against Sabre Lasar... and if he should be able to deal with Lasar, they plan to kill him and put a Coalition puppet in his place. 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oriongates posted:Well, SOMA did a really good job with it, although reduced to its purest form in the sense that there is no teleporter and everyone is just an electronic copy of someone...but the main character just can't wrap his head around the fact that when he is "downloaded" it doesn't mean the original magically disappears. Have we brought up Eclipse Phase yet, where it's not bodies but minds being "teleported" via farcasting?
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Alien Rope Burn posted:
Soooooooooooooo why's he hiding as a human instead of just being a dragon and leading by dint of being a dragon?
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In TNG, the transporter pretty clearly makes a replicator copy at the target, what with all the talk of pattern buffers and double Rikers and so on. Ok, fine. In TOS, though, they don't have replicator technology. That means the transporters had to be actually moving your for real body through space, or warping you there, or something, but the original is clearly moved, not duplicated. That means that starfleet used to have a transporter that didn't kill you, but they decided to replace it with a model that does.
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Tendales posted:In TNG, the transporter pretty clearly makes a replicator copy at the target, what with all the talk of pattern buffers and double Rikers and so on. Ok, fine. I just want to point out that it is actually a matter of philosophical debate whether the 'disintegration teleporter' kills you. Some of us do think the Ship of Theseus is still the Ship of Theseus after you take it apart and ship it somewhere else.
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Joe Slowboat posted:I just want to point out that it is actually a matter of philosophical debate whether the 'disintegration teleporter' kills you. Some of us do think the Ship of Theseus is still the Ship of Theseus after you take it apart and ship it somewhere else. The Teletransportation Paradox is years old. Wikipedia claims it was mentioned in 1775! The core problem is that the only person who could tell you if they died in transportation was the person who went in, but after they're transported it's too late to ask them (it might be their clone you're talking to) Essentially, having a teleporter and characters knowing correctly that it is safe implies a whole bunch of other metaphysical science should also exist, plus whole new ways of making observations.
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Joe Slowboat posted:I just want to point out that it is actually a matter of philosophical debate whether the 'disintegration teleporter' kills you. Some of us do think the Ship of Theseus is still the Ship of Theseus after you take it apart and ship it somewhere else. Also, this is Star Trek, the setting where one of the TOS writers famously answered an interviewer asking how a particular piece of technology works with "Quite well, thank you." How the transporters work is not one of the questions the shows try to raise and make you think about.
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Epyllion: Do you glow with radiant moonlight and emerge changed? So, in Raw-Scaled Drake, your XP bar is five ticks long, you get a base of +0 to call on the moons before spending Friendship Gems and you can call on all five moons. Your three advances are 'Take another move from your playbook', 'advance your signature move' and 'take +1 to any stat (max +3)'. Then you become a Winged Drake and can fly. Your XP bar is now four ticks long, you only get access to four of the moons, and you still have base +0 to call on the moons. You get the same three advances before you move to the next When you advance to Bearded Dragon, your XP bar is now three ticks long, you have a base of +2 to call on the moons and you lose access to a third moon. You have only two advances this time - advancing your signature move and 'take a ritual of your House':
When you hit Elder, you get base of +3 to call on the moons but only have one moon to call on. Your XP bar is three ticks, and you have two advances: 'your House dedicates a stronghold to you' and 'retire your character into a Mystic or Ancient'. When you get the stronghold, you get to decide what it's for and where it is. When you become an Ancient, you tell the DM where it happens and what you look like after, as well as where you go after and why your moon wants you there. If you become a Mystic, you tell the DM instead what your statue looks like and what's written on its base. You become an NPC either way and, if you want to keep playing, have to start over with a new playbook and a baby dragon. Speaking of playbooks...our list is the Academic, the Crafter, the Daredevil, the Nature Adept, the Seer and the Warrior. You know, all basic dragon archetypes.  We start with the Academic, or nerd dragon. They get a base of Charm +0. Courage -1 qand Cunning +1, and their Virtue is either Curiosity or Honesty. Their Obligation is either Myndoth (Discover something important about an ancient mystery) or Semscale (Defuse a tense situation between dragons from different houses). They give one Friendship Gem to one dragon because dre guided the Clutch when lost in the capital, and a second to a dragon that showed them the threat of the Darkness by getting their nose out of a book. They take a Friendship Gem from a dragon that doesn't understand dragon history and the importance of the old ways, as they will teach that dragon. The core move of the Academic is Field of Expertise: You carry one of the Great Tomes of Dragon Knowledge. Mark which one you keep with you always:
When you advance the move, you mark a new tome and tell the DM who gave it to you. Other moves: Old Debts: When you stand up to an older dragon by reminding them of debts and obligations long forgotten, roll +Cunning instead of +Courage. An Ear For The Arcane: When you listen closely to a magic ritual, roll +Cunning. On a 10+, ask 2. On a 7-9, ask 1. Take +1 forward to acting on the answers. On a miss, the ritual ensnares you, the DM will tell you how.
Peer Review: When you go to your friends for advice about a specific problem, give them a Friendship Gem and hear what they have to say. If you follow their advice, tell them to mark experience; you get a +1 ongoing to see it through. If you ignore their advice, mark a Shadow. Familiar With The Old Ways: When you study a Bearded or Elder Dragon, add these questions to the move list:
The Academic's Shadowself is: You've Held your tongue for too long. You have the best plans to move your Clutch forward and no one knows the history of Dragonia better than you do. Make sure your clutch knows how smart you truly are. You are The Academic. Return from your Shadowself when a friend convinces you to admit that you don't have all the answers. Next time: The Crafter and the Daredevil. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Also I went through the transporter at the Star Trek Experience (RIP  ) many times so I can conclusively tell you it's just darkness and wind and my molecules were definitely not being reassembled in such a way as to call into question a continuity of conscience.
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"Your dark and lurking self, the assembled horror of the shadow, is that you tend to lecture people a little about subjects you're passionate about." Lame.
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Saber Lasar, yeah that sounds like a human name - a dragon
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Some would go so far as to say that when the Academic dragon is in Shadowself, the darkness of twilight sparkles.
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I dunno, I like the idea that the nerd dragon's Shadowself is to become the insufferable nerd who won't shut up about their fanfic/character/nerd obsession. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQyuNpzp29E
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Night10194 posted:"Your dark and lurking self, the assembled horror of the shadow, is that you tend to lecture people a little about subjects you're passionate about." Look, some evil dark sides just aren't all that dark. 
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oriongates posted:Well, SOMA did a really good job with it, although reduced to its purest form in the sense that there is no teleporter and everyone is just an electronic copy of someone...but the main character just can't wrap his head around the fact that when he is "downloaded" it doesn't mean the original magically disappears.
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I mean I get that Dragonia is a softer, gentler RPG probably primarily meant for a younger audience, but it feels kind of like how lots of older kid's cartoons softened things so much that there wasn't any real conflict and everything was sort of a mush. Also still not seeing why they're dragons instead of people (or horses, it sounded like the MLP Adventures RPG was actually perfectly serviceable for younger, newer players from its own review)
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Jun 22, 2017 15:30
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Night10194 posted:Also still not seeing why they're dragons instead of people (or horses, it sounded like the MLP Adventures RPG was actually perfectly serviceable for younger, newer players from its own review) The age category thing would be pretty hard to grasp with human characters. I may be jaded from too much D&D, but I think that a game about Pegasus and Unicorns seems more interesting than boring old dragons.
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Night10194 posted:I mean I get that Dragonia is a softer, gentler RPG probably primarily meant for a younger audience, but it feels kind of like how lots of older kid's cartoons softened things so much that there wasn't any real conflict and everything was sort of a mush. I mean, a lot of kids shows aimed at that group use inhuman characters. Be it Superheroes, talking horses, dragons, dudes riding giant robot fireflies, gargoyles, turtles, robot that turned into animals and dinosaurs, a giant mutated lizard from new york with a team of lovely researchers, a jaded robot pilot who has to pretend to actually be a giant robot and not-Astroboy, etc., they love using inhuman characters in these shows to spice things up.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:40
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Cassa posted:Soooooooooooooo why's he hiding as a human instead of just being a dragon and leading by dint of being a dragon? It doesn't say. Presumably given Siembieda's writing tics it's either A) he presumes humans wouldn't follow a dragon or B) he doesn't want the Coalition or others reacting to him like they would react to a dragon trying to raise an army. But Lasar gets no background and very little characterization, so I can't say with authority.
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Hostile V posted:[*]Locus (1-3): You've managed to claim access to a locus of either 1 or 2 dots; an extra dot can be added to make it mobile but then the locus can't be smaller than Size 5 and combining multiples doesn't increase their potency. It's pretty smart for a Purified to use a ward on their locus and keep them in a special location. Purified can't start play with a locus they own higher than 2 dots because spirits tend to be ferociously territorial of anything 3 dots or higher. So could you play an immortal tourist bumming around the world in a mystic Winnebago? Like how big is size 5 in this frame of reference?
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Rifts World Book 13: Lone Star - Part Twelve: "This may affect the credibility of the entire player group — guilt by association, leading to conclusions like, "if so and so is a friend/comrade, then they all must be bandits and cutthroats" (and can't be trusted and may not be wanted)."  Making an awful class look alright. Pecos Bandits O.C.C. & R.C.C. Notes It notes that despite there being a Pecos Raider class, Pecos Bandits can be any number of O.C.C.s, the most common being the various Man at Arms classes, Vagabonds, City Rats, most of the Mercenaries classes, and a number of classes that will supposedly appear in Rifts World Book 14: New West, like gunslingers (yes), wired slingers ("wired gunslingers" in the actual book), psi-slingers (yes), gunmen ("gunfighters" in the actual book), saloon bums (yes), and saddle tramps (yes). Yes, saloon bums. Prepare yourself for some poo poo classes in that book. Of course, given we've had probably the three worst classes in the corebook listed already... grunt, city rat, and vagabond, if you're wondering. We're reminded that most people in the Pecos Empire are jus' folks, and that banditry is widespread but the minority of actual people. Like 60%, guys! That's... huh, that's still a fuckton of bandits when you count in "people who can't easily engage in banditry" (like children and the elderly). Then again, maybe babies grow up with lord humongous masks already attached. We're told that only 15% are "career outlaws". Which is a little more sane. Of course, to most in the Coalition, everybody in the Pecos is poo poo and probably worth shooting over saving. Pecos Raider O.C.C. So, these are supposed to be poor folk turned raider to escape poverty. The majority, we're told, are male, and "less than 1% are even partially literate". We get a finger-wag that if a player wants to play one of these, they're probably treated like the scum of the earth and are wanted, and have bounty hunters or lawmen after them and- okay, Rifts, you're laying it on kinda thick. They get some basic riding and fighting and surviving skills, and poo poo secondary picks. The only consolation they get is a tiny S.D.C. bonus, which is pretty useless. Ultimately, they're barely a step above the Vagabond O.C.C. and this class seems mostly to give people mooks to shoot.  The Tokanii is the one on the far left. Tokanii R.C.C. By Julius Rosenstein & Kevin Siembieda Spooky scary skeletal-lizard people from a dinosaur-ish world, the Tokanii had gotten to their Bronze Age when a meteor more or less destroyed their world, and some shamans with their powers combined opened a rift to refugee out of their doomed world. They popped into Coalition territory in Lone Star a half-century ago, and the skullguys set to work slaughting them, but the Tokanii fought back, fleeing East and fighting bandits and monsters and more. However, abut 10,000 survived, and they've somehow become 50,000+ in 50 years, because... Palladium is bad at numbers. We get a note that there are three tribes present in America:
The Tokanii are modest M.D.C. creatures, though they have a odd mechanic where both age and level increase their M.D.C. They can regenerate, and also completely regrow hands or feet (but not arms or legs). They have claws and teeth and horns that can all do M.D.C., and are mainly strong and tough, but ugly (the typical D-Bee tradeoff). They come with their own Tokanii Warrior class that's your generic riding / wilderness / weapons layout we see a lot from any "primitive" race, with crummy selections of other skills. They can take the Mystic O.C.C., which gives them magic and psionics, and Ronii can select any Man at Arms O.C.C., any Practitioner of Magic O.C.C., or Wilderness Scout. Taking a O.C.C. is generally a hilariously good upgrade for them - Wilderness Scout being the funniest because it's very similar to the "Tokanii Warrior", only better.  But will we ever get art of them stalking psi...? Psi-Stalker R.C.C. These guys get a lot more but this is mostly a shameless reprinting of material from the corebook. The main new notes is that there are wild psi-stalkers throughout texas and tend to congregate around supernatural hotbeds for prey, or feed on vampires. They also supposedly like and help out the cyber-knights but don't become them because  Riding a- well, it's in the next book. Simvan Monster Rider R.C.C. Another reprint, this time from Rifts Sourcebook. Not much new other than the fact they're all around the Pecos Empire and are feared because they eat people and ride dinosaurs (who, presumably, will also eat people). Moving on. The Brodkil A Demon from the Rifts Reprinted for the third time (they were in both Rifts Sourcebook and Rifts Sourcebook 3: Mindwerks) and for no apparent reason, because they aren't particularly common in this region, though some few are Pecos raiders. Moving on. And that's it for classes. Embarassingly, we have about eight pages of reprinted material compared to three to four pages of new material. Well, at least the new art is quite nice. Next: Mess with Texas.
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Night10194 posted:This is the big key to why they fall flat. I will never totally be down on 'The Big Reveal' as a DMing trick because one of the best campaigns I ever played in relied on it; an old Spycraft 1e game where the twist was we were playing a prologue to X-COM without ever being told that until we pieced it together in game. The key to that was, none of that invalidated our accomplishments or made our characters useless; one of my PCs (everyone had a Combat/Field and Support PC) was a badass Marine supply officer recruited for security and her ability to wield a 23mm anti-vehicular shotgun turned out really goddamn useful when we had to kill a Muton with human weapons in the finale, etc. It also never betrayed the pitch; we were still an NSA black ops team that happened to piece together, then save the fledgingly X-COM project from thin-men, sectoids, and a couple Mutons sent in to strangle it in the crib at the climax. Us being a bunch of hyper-competent g-men and action heroes was still the core of the game and why that big surprise was exciting and fun instead of being a huge letdown.
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Dareon posted:So could you play an immortal tourist bumming around the world in a mystic Winnebago? Like how big is size 5 in this frame of reference? If they're talking in terms of the size stat as it relates to everything other than loci, a human is Size 7, wolves are size 5 I believe.
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I feel like Fellowship can be a better PbtA game about Dragons and Friendship despite not necessarily being about either. Just bring along a Squire and a Dragon and you're golden.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:25
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Kurieg posted:If they're talking in terms of the size stat as it relates to everything other than loci, a human is Size 7, wolves are size 5 I believe.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:28
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Big Mad Drongo posted:I feel like Fellowship can be a better PbtA game about Dragons and Friendship despite not necessarily being about either. Just bring along a Squire and a Dragon and you're golden. Alternately, just reskin everything as dragons.
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The storm has a name... - Let's Read TORG Part 18d: Basic Training Now that the boring fluff is out of the way, it's time to get into the boring mechanics. On the plus side, the chapters are shorter now so I can get through the faster. The next chapter is the obligatory Axioms and World Laws, which means it's time to quote myself again! Evil Mastermind posted:Magic axiom: 12 The magic axiom level has actually fluxuated over the centuries, starting at 9 during the beginning of the War and slowly rising and falling since then due Kranod adjusting the axioms. It stabilized at 12 about 80 years ago, and for some reason Kranod was never able to raise it any higher. Magic is more the domain of the Tharkoldu than the Race, due to the Race seeing magic as a tool of the demons. Magic knowledge isn't common, and any new spells that are developed are kept as secret weapons rather than disseminated to the populace. A unique aspect of Tharkold is the existence of technomagic, the binding of magical energies into weapons or cybernetics. Right now Tharkold is about equivalent to the Nile Empire in terms of magic: it's there, but it needs to be highly ritualized. The high tech axiom also allows for the existence of The Grid, which is the Tharkold equivalent of the internet. Like the Cyberpapacy's GodNet, the Grid is a virtual reality experience that is accessed via direct user-to-computer wired connections. In an amazing coincidence, the Grid and the GodNet are mutually compatible; someone from Tharkold with a datajack and a cyberdeck can jack into the GodNet, and the same applies in the other direction. Despite this, it's important to realize that the Grid and the GodNet are not otherwise connected or similar in any way (for starters, the Grid isn't a pseudo-pocket-dimension powered by a Darkness Device). As for magic; despite the decent magic axiom and the fact that the technodemons need magic to live, actual magic-users are fairly rare. Magic needs to be self taught (or you can submit to a teacher because we need to keep that going), and the only spells available are the basic spells from the core book and the "generic" spells from the Aysle sourcebook. Casters from Tharkold can learn other spells as they go along, of course, but for the most part mages jealously guard their knowledge since it's technically another weapon. Oh yeah, and technomagic exists. A grimoire can be kept digitally, cybernetics can be enchanted, and so on. How does it work? quote:Technomagic is a product of the Law of Domination, bending technology to support and augment magic.  With the axioms out of the way, we get to the details of the World Laws. To remind everyone: The Law of Ferocity states that when someone takes an all out attack action will ignore potential knockout results scored against them, and that the intimidation and taunt skills get +3 to their results. In addition, everyone gets a +3 defense bonus against charm and persuasion attempts. The Law of Pain grants a roll-again-and-add when you inflict pain (as in actual wound damage) on someone. The Law of Domination is that weird one that defines what happens and what you can/can't do when you formally submit to a master. This law has a page and a half of rules so forgive me for not re-summarizing beyond "it's hard to work against someone you've submitted to, also it's creepy". With that thankfully out of the way, we can look at the new skills available to Tharkold characters. First off, the flight skill from the core set is available to Tharkoldu characters. Which makes them the third type of character who'd ever need the spell. (The other two were pulp heroes with the flight power and wizards who knew spells that let them fly. Tharkoldu are the only one's who'd have a realistic need for this skill.) Cyberdeck operation is used to access the Grid via a cyberdeck. Amazingly, despite being from a completely different reality with different technological standards, this works the same way as the skill of the same name from the Cyberpapacy. The same deal applies to the cybertech skill, which is used to build, install, and maintain cyberware, and the psychology skill, which is used to counteract the effects of cyberpsycosis, and the science (computers) skill, which is pretty much the same as cyberdeck operation only worse. So out of the skills presented here, four are from another book. The first of the three actually new skills is occultech, which is basically the same as the cybertech skill, only it applies to demon-specific cyberware. In addtion to letting you install occultech, it also allows you to attempt to exorcise it. What this means is that you're trying to cancel the magical attunement that allows the Tharkoldu metabolism to handle the technology. It has to be used on occultech that isn't actually in a cyberdemon (mainly because it takes a day to do this), and successfully using the skill will "cleanse" the occult taint from the cyberware and allow it to be put in a human. On the flip side, the skill can also let Tharkoldu take non-magical cybernetics and attune them for Tharkoldu use. The other use of occultech is to make vril batteries, which are special infinite powers sources that can only be created by Tharkoldu. Vril batteries are fueled by the life forces of P-rated beings as they are slowly, painfully killed. Because, in case you missed it, the Tharkoldu are pretty evil. And make sure we get it, there are detailed mechanics telling you how long it takes for someone to get turned into a battery, which I suppose would actually be useful when you want to have a "save someone before they get killed" scenario. The second new skill is pain weapons, which is just a weapon skill for the new Tharkoldu weapon type presented in this book. Pain weapons are like normal weapons, only they have the potential to do spiritual stun damage, which is a thing from the miracle system back in the core book. The silly thing is that to use a pain weapon, you still use the normal melee weapon skill to attack with the Pain Weapon, then you make a pain weapons skill roll to see if you do the extra damage. The last new skill is UltraCAD Operation. This skill isn't tied to a specific stat, but is added to a different skill when making something with an UltraCAD setup. So if you want to make a gun, you add this skill to your fire weapons skill.  That's one way to keep your cables from tangling, I guess. The next chapter is about Magic, which means we're about to get a list of spells. But it also means we're going to get a bit more info on occultech and technomagic. That's not as interesting as it sounds, because really it's just more BS about how the cosm's axioms mix together to allow technology and magic to overlap and how the Spasm altered the magic axiom and some spells are tied to the Law of Ferocity and who could possibly care stop explaining everything nobody loving cares and this has nothing to do with anything. Anyway we get a list of spells from other books that are available to Tharkoldu (and I would assume Race casters as well, but the book only mentions Tharkoldu), which is odd because this is the first and I think only time they've done this. Then we get into the new spells and once again I'm going to hit the highlights. And boy howdy are these spells something else.
 Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #28, in case you're wondering
 Oddly, no spells for creating cyberzombie soldiers. The next chapter is Miracles, and they're divided into the two religions of the realm: the Tharkoldu's "Cult of the Dominant", and the humans' "Way of the Race". There aren't a lot of miracles listed for either religion, because in case you haven't noticed Torg doesn't think miracles are as interesting as magic. Oh, and there are also "cybermiracles" but we'll get to those in a minute. One thing the book does mention is that due to the nature of the War, some miracles are "War miracles", which means they ignore the rules about casting miracles on people of other faiths. Which is to say, difficulty modifiers and the idea that you can convert someone if you roll high enough. Since there's so few religion-specific miracles, I'll just hit them all. You're welcome. The Cult-specific miracles are:
 I like how the demon seems to be going "Oh poo poo my stomach blew up!" The Race miracles are:
quote:This tragic miracle came into being during the various times in the history of the Race when a community could not afford to support anyone who would not contribute to racial survival. It was, and on occasion still is, invoked to test infants whose fitness is in question. The miracle will instantly and painlessly kill a baby that is too sickly to grow to healthy adulthood. What's more insane is that this spell has no mechanic for determining if the baby is "fit". That was the entire spell description up there. Torg, a game that has mechanics for loving ev-er-y-thing, doesn't have mechanics for this particular miracle. But the more important question is: what is the loving point of this miracle? Why would a character cast this? What kind of situation needs to have this miracle available? Why do we, as players or GMs, need to know this exists? Why mechanicize it? What is the point of it? What's more insane is that no criteria is given for "worth". Is it checking the baby's stats? Reading its future? Basing things on the parents' DNA? Examining the community the baby was born into to see if there's enough resources for another person? Flipping a coin? Who knows! Jesus... Anyway. Back to the list.
Lastly, we have cybermiracles. quote:Technology achieved mythic significance for the Race during the dark age that followed the Spasm. The technological wonders of the shattered civilization seemed like memories of a paradise lost. Ancient bits of technology were treated as sacred objects, and indeed, the preservation of such artifacts and of scientific texts helped hasten the Race's climb back from barbarism. Cybermiracles are all related to technology, cybernetics, and the Grid (Tharkold's cyberspace). Highlights include:
And that brings us to the end of this chunk of book. -- Wow, that got dark quick, didn't it? Apart from That Miracle, again there's nothing really interesting here. It's just a lot of stuff that seems like it's trying to worldbuild but either doesn't add much (the skills) or give any sort of impression beyond "this cosm is creepy as hell." I know I've said this before, but Torg always had a problem presenting and maintaing tone. And with Tharkold, since the subject matter is "darker" it gets so much worse. NEXT TIME: Roll call
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DalaranJ posted:Saber Lasar, yeah that sounds like a human name You say this when there's a character in "Fiddler On The Roof" named Lazar Wolf. No, he isn't a lycanthrope that shoots lasers from his eyes.
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Lazar is a respectable Ashkenazi name, it was my grandfather's Russo-Hungarian name. It is roughly cognate with Larry.
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Young Freud posted:You say this when there's a character in "Fiddler On The Roof" named Lazar Wolf. No, he isn't a lycanthrope that shoots lasers from his eyes. As a kid I was like his daughters being really stupid, who wouldnt marry a Laser Wolf? But then it turns out the film is historically grounded and Lazar Wolf is a fine, if old, man and basically maybe 5 year olds arent the target audience for the greatest musical of all time.
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