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I'm so used to the idea of clip shows being parodied and discredited that I forgot some good series actually did them.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm so used to the idea of clip shows being parodied and discredited that I forgot some good series actually did them. Like, I get it, if I were a writer, I'd want a free paycheck and a week off too. But really, you can skip this one. Move on to Season 3, where the show gets Actually Good on a consistent basis.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:41
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Wasn't that episode a clip show because of a writers strike?
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Jun 22, 2017 07:42
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The cilps haven't started yet but it already feels kind of threadbare. Whoa wait, Geordi is insisting on going back to the planet with Data, and he's like "how do we know this bug doesn't like androids better than humans"? There's so many things wrong with that question
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Jun 22, 2017 07:44
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WampaLord posted:Like, I get it, if I were a writer, I'd want a free paycheck and a week off too. Someone said Pulaski is only on for Season 2 though. Is this the last one with her?
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Jun 22, 2017 07:45
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Lol there's a weird lifelessness in the acting and plotting that's freaking me out a little
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Jun 22, 2017 07:45
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Someone said Pulaski is only on for Season 2 though. Is this the last one with her? Yea, I guess so, but she's in it for all of 3 minutes at most, I bet. Veotax posted:Wasn't that episode a clip show because of a writers strike? Okay, sure, but not all of em were, most were vacation weeks.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:45
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I might skip through the clips but I still feel like I have to watch this.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:48
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I might skip through the clips but I still feel like I have to watch this. This feels like a thing Jeb! would actually do. I'm talking about Jeb Bush here.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:50
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Aw I kind of like Riker's speech about facing death. Very in-character.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:54
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I'm so used to the idea of clip shows being parodied and discredited that I forgot some good series actually did them. Fun fact: later, in season 4, the executives were pushing the crew to make another clip show because of budgeting reasons, but the crew hated the idea and resisted it. The result was the low budget bottle episode "The Drumhead," written specifically to avoid spending much money on constructing new sets or special effects. It ended up being one of the best episodes in the series.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:55
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Nitpicky but they didn't even try to make it look like the needles are really going into his head.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:57
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If I had skipped the episode I wouldn't have seen this.
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Jun 22, 2017 07:59
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Lol I don't remember the first clip where he's clean-shaven and says "Tasha!? Data!? Worf!? ANYBODYYYYYYYY?"
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Jun 22, 2017 08:01
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Oh, that Riker, drunk again!
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Jun 22, 2017 08:01
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Wtf Data's makeup used to be completely different
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Jun 22, 2017 08:04
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This current series of clips is just all the times Riker's been horny.
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Jun 22, 2017 08:10
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They don't give enough context to these clips to really understand them, and that's from someone who's seen all the episodes they were from within the last two months.
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Jun 22, 2017 08:12
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Lol the ending clip collage is like a youtube poop
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Jun 22, 2017 08:18
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Whew even skimming that was a slog but it's over.
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Jun 22, 2017 08:20
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data somethings got maaaaaaaaaaaaay
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Jun 22, 2017 08:31
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Tighclops posted:data somethings got maaaaaaaaaaaaay Lol
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Jun 22, 2017 08:38
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Tighclops posted:data somethings got maaaaaaaaaaaaay didn't he almost drown in a pool of Metamucil and toner for that scene
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Jun 22, 2017 08:58
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Veotax posted:Wasn't that episode a clip show because of a writers strike? Memory Alpha posted:This episode was written to save time and money as a result of budget overruns earlier in the season. It was shot in only three days, while most take at least a week. Director Rob Bowman commented, "It was Paramount saying, 'We gave you more money for "Elementary, Dear Data" and the Borg show. Now do us a favor and give us a three-day show.' So that's what you do. It's an accepted part of the medium." The plant itself was creepy and deserved a better episode. Plants that kill or trap large animals so they die nearby and fertilize the soil exist, and are pretty nightmare inducing.
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Jun 22, 2017 13:05
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Wtf Data's makeup used to be completely different Data had a kind of sinister quality in the pilot that could have gone interesting places on a show that wasn't about the Buddy Bears Who Always Get Along.
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Jun 22, 2017 14:51
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TheScott2K posted:Data had a kind of sinister quality in the pilot that could have gone interesting places on a show that wasn't about the Buddy Bears Who Always Get Along. It shows up veeeeeeeery occasionally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-FCYtxfDMw As he's turning away jfc
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Jun 22, 2017 15:14
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After The War posted:This episode was written to save time and money as a result of budget overruns earlier in the season. It was shot in only three days, while most take at least a week. Director Rob Bowman commented, "It was Paramount saying, 'We gave you more money for "Elementary, Dear Data" and the Borg show. Now do us a favor and give us a three-day show.' So that's what you do. It's an accepted part of the medium." The network demanded another clip show later on, but the producers were like 'guys look, the last one was poo poo, let us just see if we can bang a regular episode out in three days with no effects or sets' and they made The Drumhead.
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Jun 22, 2017 15:54
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I get that some people want the new show to be about the XO and not the CO, but it's not easy. The West Wing was supposed to be about Rob Lowe's character but morphed into an ensemble centered around Martin Sheen. If you want a whole series about Lower Decks, then it will have to be about relationships and drama, as all the action radiates from the bridge. Trying to edge out the captain of a ship in a show about a ship traveling in space would be hard.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:25
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CharlieWhiskey posted:I get that some people want the new show to be about the XO and not the CO, but it's not easy. The West Wing was supposed to be about Rob Lowe's character but morphed into an ensemble centered around Martin Sheen. If you want a whole series about Lower Decks, then it will have to be about relationships and drama, as all the action radiates from the bridge. Trying to edge out the captain of a ship in a show about a ship traveling in space would be hard. Not if they give the XO a compelling enough hook into a larger story.
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Jun 22, 2017 16:28
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Veotax posted:Wasn't that episode a clip show because of a writers strike? Only indirectly: the writer's strike ended in August 1988 and TNG S2 aired from November 1988 to July 1989. The strike meant that the season was shortened from 26 to 22 episodes, and there were basically no scripts ready when they started production (the first episode of season 2 was an old script originally written for the cancelled "Phase II" TV show).
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Jun 22, 2017 16:30
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TheScott2K posted:Data had a kind of sinister quality in the pilot that could have gone interesting places on a show that wasn't about the Buddy Bears Who Always Get Along. Data trying to blast Kivas Fajo and then lying to Riker about it when he gets beamed away at the last second is one of the most badass things he ever did.
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MikeJF posted:The network demanded another clip show later on, but the producers were like 'guys look, the last one was poo poo, let us just see if we can bang a regular episode out in three days with no effects or sets' and they made The Drumhead. It's funny that "Measure of a Man", which I'd imagine was even cheaper than "The Drumhead" (that one has an explosion!), still wasn't enough to offset the cost of "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Q, Who." Maybe Maddox and Louvois were expensive, or it wasn't made with cost-cutting in mind the way "The Drumhead" was. I only ever hear about budget in regards to "Shades of Gray" and those two expensive stories, so if anybody knows more, I'd love to know. shadok posted:Only indirectly: the writer's strike ended in August 1988 and TNG S2 aired from November 1988 to July 1989. The strike meant that the season was shortened from 26 to 22 episodes, and there were basically no scripts ready when they started production (the first episode of season 2 was an old script originally written for the cancelled "Phase II" TV show). "Measure of a Man" was also the result of the strike and the need to use existing, even unsolicited scripts - Melinda Snodgrass went from slushpile to story editor for the second and third seasons.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:05
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CharlieWhiskey posted:The West Wing was supposed to be about Rob Lowe's character but morphed into an ensemble centered around Martin Sheen. This gets repeated a lot but I don't believe The West Wing ever could have flown with Sam Seaborn as the main character even without Martin Sheen stealing every scene he's in. Over the course of the first few seasons the show gravitates toward Josh more than Sam because Josh has agency and gets things done politically while Sam is just a mouthpiece for the show's bleeding liberal heart. (Also, the opening plotline for Sam was such a non-starter. Dude is boring and has no flaws. The show doesn't miss him when he leaves.) Coming back to topic, a Trek show centered around the XO and/or science officer could work because the XO is the one gets poo poo done. They lead away teams, manage the crew, and generally enact the will of the Captain. TNG could easily have been that; it's not outside the realm of possibility.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:37
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That short period between Rob Lowe leaving and Sorkin burning out really didn't suffer one bit for lack of Sam. poo poo, even in the pilot Sam's plot was garbage compared to Josh's. Josh had a problem of his own making that he, as a control freak, couldn't solve. It told you everything you needed to know about him, the world they inhabited, and about the President. Sam's plot was basically "this dude gets so much pussy hookers give it to him FOR FREE!" and that's it. West Wing and Star Trek have a lot in common.
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Jun 22, 2017 17:43
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Lol I don't remember the first clip where he's clean-shaven and says "Tasha!? Data!? Worf!? ANYBODYYYYYYYY?" Isn't that from the episode when they tried to make the Ferengi seem menacing by giving them energy whips? The only reason I remember that awful episode is because of "The Greatest Generation," the whips, and that weird dialogue about the "Yankee traders."
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Jun 22, 2017 18:03
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I wish I could find footage of the first ferengi appearance on Youtube. They're such loving spazzes (the writers probably don't know what to do with them) and they can't stop jumping around and it actually plays into the episode at the end. edit: scratch that, found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4gtPUP5H6o vermin fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 18:08
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Cojawfee posted:CBS: We tried, but it looks like no one is interested in a new Star Trek TV show, the ratings just aren't there. Well as we saw with Person of Interest, it's not beyond CBS to kill off something popular for their own stupid financial interest. They didn't want to continue running it since it wasn't produced in-house but they didn't want a competitor to get it either. So they didn't renew it, waited until the end of the spring season to run it out 2 episodes a week and then announced it was cancelled.
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After The War posted:It's funny that "Measure of a Man", which I'd imagine was even cheaper than "The Drumhead" (that one has an explosion!), still wasn't enough to offset the cost of "Elementary, Dear Data" and "Q, Who." Maybe Maddox and Louvois were expensive, or it wasn't made with cost-cutting in mind the way "The Drumhead" was. I only ever hear about budget in regards to "Shades of Gray" and those two expensive stories, so if anybody knows more, I'd love to know. The second episode of season 2 "Where Silence Has Lease" has no new sets and is shot almost entirely on the bridge set, so they were able to cut pre-production time and get shooting quickly after the strike.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:01
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Zurui posted:Coming back to topic, a Trek show centered around the XO and/or science officer could work because the XO is the one gets poo poo done. They lead away teams, manage the crew, and generally enact the will of the Captain. TNG could easily have been that; it's not outside the realm of possibility. In other words, they can do everything the captain can do, except for actually decide what should happen in the plot of the episode. I seriously, seriously doubt that the protagonist is going to go a whole season without having been in command. To tell the truth I'd be a little surprised if she's not in command by the end of the premiere. It would be a daring choice to make a Star Trek show about someone who isn't a captain, but I have no idea why any network would sign off on it.
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shadok posted:The second episode of season 2 "Where Silence Has Lease" has no new sets and is shot almost entirely on the bridge set, so they were able to cut pre-production time and get shooting quickly after the strike. I hope they what budget they had went to Eye-Bugging-Brain-Melty Helmsman. He was so good.
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