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EccoRaven posted:seeing pera and PMush both flip the heck out at suggesting "hey maybe we should no-vote again" and "hey maybe there's something to this setup being a pieC9" is also not very comforting. GREAT
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pera it's ok to scumclaim, you gave it a really good shot and you genuinely had me thinking it was BK there for a while.
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Kashuno posted:Jeez there is a real lack of death does the game end if nobody loving dies two days in a row?
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Jun 24, 2017 17:58
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Hold on Hold the gently caress on Something just clicked.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:58
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EccoRaven posted:pera it's ok to scumclaim, you gave it a really good shot and you genuinely had me thinking it was BK there for a while. put a vote down. bk will join you. and for GOD'S sake, AA and AYC had better loving agree.
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Jun 24, 2017 17:59
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I'm going to yoga I'll be back in a bit. good luck everyone remember that no-voting is also a valid option!
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Jun 24, 2017 17:59
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BK never even pretended to believe that I actually targetted AYC. He never even pretended to believe HIS OWN CLAIM. The rest of this is bullshit that doesn't matter. BK didn't just slip about what he planned tonight, he completely fumbled his defense today.
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PMush Perfect posted:BK never even pretended to believe that I actually targetted AYC. He never even pretended to believe HIS OWN CLAIM. The rest of this is bullshit that doesn't matter. BK didn't just slip about what he planned tonight, he completely fumbled his defense today. just stop please nothing either of us say is going to loving matter
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Jun 24, 2017 18:01
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His accusation was that I WITHHELD THE NIGHT KILL Why is THAT where someone's brain goes first? He said his action was a success. He came back into the game with no death. He, in his narrative, already stopped me once. Why, oh why, would he not believe he did that again? Why would he not even entertain the possibility?
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Jun 24, 2017 18:02
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PMush Perfect posted:Why, oh why, would he not believe he did that again? Why would he not even entertain the possibility? because you claimed first.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:04
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EccoRaven posted:I'm probably dead tonight so good luck everyone, remember: logic is power, the answer is there you just have to find it.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:05
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EccoRaven posted:because you claimed first. How does that follow, Ecco? I'm getting a little overhype here, but I do not understand what you're saying here at all. "Ha, I jailed BK." "No you didn't, you withheld the night kill."
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oh yeah duh, brain fart
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In what universe does BK's defense make sense for town to say? "My action didn't fail, therefore you're not a jailor?" Fine, sure. Redundant and worthless argument, but fine. Mediocre town play. "There was no kill, I protected AYC. Scum would target AYC because [reasons]." Sensible casing, maybe try to puzzle out who my potential scumbuddy is. Find reasons for why I'd want AYC dead, or why my buddy would. Good town play. "There was no kill, they must have just not done anything!" That's what he went with. That is what you're seriously entertaining the idea is a town train of thought.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:13
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Uuuugh I'm being stupid and emotional again and I don't even care
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gently caress, I even already talked about the BK/Quid thing, way back at the start of D2 when my logic was at its sharpest. I KNOW how loving bizarre that makes D1. But the alternatives aren't exactly much more sensible at this point, considering that almost of them are predicated on "Town Quid self-hammered in a flipless game"
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I've self-hammered as town when I'm super salty. I've done that, it's lovely, but I get it. But I do it because when the flip comes a few minutes later, I get the brief, selfish satisfaction of proving that everyone who was piling on me was either scum or an idiot. Quid wouldn't get that payoff. gently caress it not being bad play, there's not even any catharsis for town Quid in a self-hammer. No one gets proven wrong, it's just a "taking my ball and going home" tantrum. That's what calling me and pera scum is predicated on. Hell, that's what me calling YOU scum was predicated on. gently caress, you can't even be deliberately obtuse scum. You're town, Ecco. Pera says it. I believe it. I know you love your gambits, sometimes they even work. I'm sorry I thought you were scum before, you're welcome for accidentally saving your life. Please stop being so obtuse about this and help me win this game.
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Jun 24, 2017 18:26
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gently caress, I forgot you went AFK because you posted after it. Sorry. I sure would love to see AA and/or AYC drop by! (Psssst. If y'all are lurking, that's your cue.)
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I am legit upset but trying to hide it behind shitposting and it is turning into the weirdest poo poo. Corey in the House may not have been the worst outcome here.
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Okay, I'm giving myself a headache. Yelling at an empty room isn't going to do anything. I've said my piece. AA, AYC, if you get back before I do, please consider what I said to Ecco about the possibilities about who's scum and why. We have this game on lock. We have him dead to rights. Let's please, please, PLEASE not waste this victory by believing this doc counterclaim that he's been making up as he goes.
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84 posts and I learned nothing new. It still comes down to whether we believe pmush or bk. BK if you're telling the truth, thanks buddy! If you're lying, how dare you try to buy my friendship! I need to read through today again. I skimmed but I'm leaving more towards bk being scum. Eccos point about flipless games having no penalty for scum to stick their necks out for each other isn't 100% solid imo- bk could have been on quid specifically to back up his town cred on later days. Let me think about it. I will be posting less frequently today :/
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That said, you know what else I don't like? Pmush is calling for a turbo when I actually agree with bk and Ecco soon the no kill today. It gives time to get more info from the power roles.
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areyoucontagious posted:Eccos point about flipless games having no penalty for scum to stick their necks out for each other isn't 100% solid imo- bk could have been on quid specifically to back up his town cred on later days. except why would BK have town cred from voting out quidnose? "because quidnose played a scummy game and then self-hammered, he was obvi scum." but unless they planned it to happen that way (unlikely), then BK would have had no idea the day would go down like it did. if the day had ended with quid dead but everyone still uncertain about him he'd have gotten no cred at all.
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areyoucontagious posted:That said, you know what else I don't like? Pmush is calling for a turbo when I actually agree with bk and Ecco soon the no kill today. It gives time to get more info from the power roles. pmush and pera are both calling for it really aggressively. in a vacuum their play really does feel like scum trying to rush us. their play honestly feels like scum in general. the only thing that gives me pause is the jailor claim is so dumb for scum to make.
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11:11 make a wish ✨ also yoga was really good today, I feel all loosey goosey now.
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EccoRaven posted:11:11 make a wish I slept in and just had a nice shave. Also feeling pretty good.
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PMush Perfect posted:Jesus Christ, please don't. This is in response to your no dunk proposal. Pretty strong reaction, right? And then when you explain, she pulls her vote. PMush Perfect posted:Hmmm But then there's this post, which rings all kinds of alarm bells for me. PMush Perfect posted:Ecco what do you think of the possibility that we're at 4/2? The reason this pings so hard is because of the last sentence in the first paragraph, worrying about a vote on anyone allowing bk to hammer. Mush, dude, if you or pera die bk is going next. Then, if we don't win, whoever didn't die of you and pera gets killed D4 to control for the possibility that scum nked their own. I really really don't think AA or Ecco is scum, but if they are well played everyone. I strongly believe the scum is contained in pera/mush/bk. So mushs post worrying about this feels super scummy.
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so breaking it down into simpler bits. BK has played a town game. He's posting well, making cases, responding to them. He clearly went into day 2 planning on counterclaiming PMush, and in a vacuum nothing about his play is untoward. If he's scum he's doing a good job. PMush and pera have not played a town game. pera's posts day 1 were filled with padding, and her posts + claim day 2 felt really ad hoc. PMush likewise was essentially absent day 1 but the little she was here she shatposted and made a nonsense argument against my jokevote on quidnose. Her day two claim she comes in guns blazing, never even considering the extremely obvious possibility that I was the nightkill target. PMush is excitable yes but it seems like there's no way a town PMush would have made such a glaring oversight. If the claims didn't exist I'd vote for PMush or pera without any struggle. === It doesn't make sense for a scum PMush to claim jailor. It doesn't make sense for scum BK to bus the hell out of Quidnose (or alternatively perform the kill at all, knowing town-PMush would jail him). One of them has to be lying. That necessarily means one of them has to have made a misstep as scum. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out which misstep is more believable, but I don't think it's possible to get an answer to that. Whoever in this relationship is town, they hosed up. Whether it's PMush for fullclaiming jailor and not considering all the possibilities, or pera for fullclaiming cop when it didn't look like PMush was going to be the day's execution, or Quidnose deciding to throw a tantrum and self-hammer. Y'all shouldn't do those things in the future. It would behoove whomever is town among those three to be more patient and thoughtful with your approach to the game in the future. I still support not voting right now but if I did vote it'd probably be against PMush/pera. If they're town they both played their roles extremely sub-optimally, but it would be in line with their erratic play all game. If BK is scum he's been putting in effort and being reasonable, and ultimately he should win the game if that's the case.
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Here's the one thing, that really as far as I see it, is a linchpin to solving the game. Quid sacked himself. Was he scum though? If your answer is yes, I think it makes BK and Ecco look worse. If your answer is no, it certainly makes them both look worse. BK in spite of ecco's praise, has actually done very little aside from further confusing the game. Id also wager that ecco's posts, much like the claim raised against pera, are significantly fluff. I think it's them and I think quid just gave into rage.
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 On phone, but look over the vote spread for d1 and how it played out and tell me Quid doesn't look like he's been setup. Look at the votes and how reasoning was found later for the votes.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:BK in spite of ecco's praise, has actually done very little aside from further confusing the game. BK has been making cases and posting in a way that suggests he's town. How has he "further confused the game" aside from claiming he's a doctor (which, if he's town, he should have done anyway)? Anomalous Amalgam posted:Id also wager that ecco's posts, much like the claim raised against pera, are significantly fluff. Anomalous Amalgam posted:On phone, but look over the vote spread for d1 and how it played out and tell me Quid doesn't look like he's been setup. Look at the votes and how reasoning was found later for the votes. Just saying "look, BK and Ecco first voted for quidnose as a joke, and then as time passed they made cases on quidnose and in ecco's case voted for him AGAIN!" isn't really dispositive of anything.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:On phone, but look over the vote spread for d1 and how it played out and tell me Quid doesn't look like he's been setup. Look at the votes and how reasoning was found later for the votes. I'm laughing my rear end off at this because I'm working on a post for you about D1 Quid & BK and I hit preview as I'm shuffling some quotes in, and there's Kash's avatar big as hell, Bottleknight highlighted and then Kash going "Night 1" and so I scrolled down expecting a big fake conspiracy post with a lot of red circles and arrows. Certainly not what you intended, but there's a little light left in me yet.
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EccoRaven posted:Just saying "look, BK and Ecco first voted for quidnose as a joke, and then as time passed they made cases on quidnose and in ecco's case voted for him AGAIN!" isn't really dispositive of anything. You're not scum, but I'm working on it. Quid had no hope and BK didn't bus him, you and I drove a spear into Quid and that was that. BK got lucky and dropped a jokevote on his scumbuddy knowing very well that Quid is Quid. Switch me and Quid in your mind and picture the same strategy with me. I'd almost recommend that my scumbuddies put jokevotes on me - just in case I get nuked day 1 because I am who I am and I break the gently caress down. Returning to d1 review.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Here's the one thing, that really as far as I see it, is a linchpin to solving the game. BK says himself he's a doc that can neither doc himself nor the same person twice in a row. I've heard of one or either but not of both. If we no-lynch tonight, best case scenario? You or AYC dies. I would expect another no kill. Then we're right back here. I hear you on Quid and I'll be the first one to tell you the dude goes off the handle just as easily as I do. There's this discussion of BK bussing Quid. What is that based on? Because that's not how I remember it. BottleKnight posted:##vote quid BottleKnight posted:This is one of the emptiest accusation posts I've seen. The game's barely started, to the point that you had just posted a content game, and you feel the need to say someone else is "controlling the narrative" ??? BottleKnight posted:This is a scumpost. Specifically that last sentence. It's not scummy, it's not an accusation, it's just "weird." Quid is above questioning, and he is manipulatively trying to say with this post that "picking at him" is suspicious and weird. You shouldn't do it. BottleKnight posted:I literally [have] the exact opposite reads of this post. Here are his d1 posts on Quid. They are: a jokevote; a response to a remark about Ecco controlling a narrative (which she and I both do); he's keeping his vote right where it is; bam. I think I might be confused on what a bus means. This is supporting Ecco and myself being fierce and intense against Quid, not... leading a charge against him for towncred, or whatever the hell a bus is supposed to do. I'm just gonna grab one of my posts.
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if we no-vote, I want every power role to make an obvious but unbreakable breadcrumb as to whom they will target during the night, and then the next day claim it.
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peramene posted:quid if you're town, drop the loving shovel. christ
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by obvious I mean it's not hidden (to prevent you from sneaking in a bunch of fake breadcrumbs), and by unbreakable I mean coding it in such a way that one cannot reasonably think it's anything but what you are trying to do. something like a rough and dirty vigenere cipher, or even just a sentence with a letter shift. like let's say I'm a tracker and I'm planning on targeting pera tonight, I could go: ueukkytsvjortsyibuhgy ...which, if you consider the letters of a standard QWERTY keyboard and cut it in half between the G and H, and every letter to the left half gets shifted to the right by one, and on the right half shifted to the left by one, it should (barring a mistake) spell: iwilltrackperatonight You are all creative people I am sure you can come up with your own code.
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EccoRaven posted:if we no-vote, I want every power role to make an obvious but unbreakable breadcrumb as to whom they will target during the night, and then the next day claim it. I'm a big fan of this idea, but all kidding aside; everything about the cop role requires cooperation with the observer; I mean, actually, all of this is starting to make a ton of sense to me; pera has been exaggerating her feelings ridiculously and it's annoying; Potentially, my ultimate scumtell is hating no-lynches. Time me. With sincere effort, I know you and BK are both clever enough to bake these in enough that you could ride them.
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EccoRaven posted:like let's say I'm a tracker and I'm planning on targeting pera tonight, I could go: This is me crossing my fingers.
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