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peramene posted:Do your best to throw a case at AYC, someone we all know is loving town! That'll really convince him to vote with you! why do we "know" AYC is town? You know BK is scum. Are you convinced Quid was BK's scumbuddy? You weren't yesterday. What changed? And why? Please play the drat game.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:37
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EccoRaven posted:how is it scummy. there is a cost-benefit analysis here, and the cost is essentially non-existent but the benefit is potentially game-winning. how is it scummy rather than, to you, annoying or obnoxious? even if it can be easily gamed. Pushing it is scummy. Like I said. I really haven't been talking to you, I've been talking to AA and AYC. I have a post or two on BK, but you don't care what they say and you obviously didn't read them, so let's just stop pretending. Once again, you are flagrantly lying about my posting.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:38
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areyoucontagious posted:You are loving insufferable I'm sorry you did a thing that only scum are interested in doing. Sounds like a personal problem.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:38
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EccoRaven posted:why do we "know" AYC is town? You know BK is scum. Are you convinced Quid was BK's scumbuddy? You weren't yesterday. What changed? And why? I have an inno result on you, sweetheart, and nobody died. And BK says he's a doc that can't heal himself OR the same person twice in a row. And a bunch of other poo poo I've said over and over to you again.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:39
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Here's what I think. I'm inclined to believe mushs Batman post. Which means that if mush is telling the truth, barring some weirdness with peras cop role, that at the very least BK is scum. I'm still on the fence about quid but the self hammer makes me think he is scum. I want to hear more from AA and BK.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:39
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peramene posted:I really haven't been talking to you, I've been talking to AA and AYC. I have a post or two on BK, but you don't care what they say and you obviously didn't read them, so let's just stop pretending. This is helpful. But why do you think Quid is scum? You were dead-to-rights convinced he was town yesterday. What changed?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:40
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peramene posted:I have an inno result on you, sweetheart, and nobody died. And BK says he's a doc that can't heal himself OR the same person twice in a row. And a bunch of other poo poo I've said over and over to you again. You believe I am town, so the scum has to be someone from Quid or AA or AYC. BK says he tried to protect me night 1 and it was successful; he said he protected AYC night 2 and was also successful. Why does this make AYC town? Why does it make Quid scum?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:41
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EccoRaven posted:I'm sorry you did a thing that only scum are interested in doing. Sounds like a personal problem. what the gently caress is wrong with you the fact that scum are CAPABLE of getting access to that information SLASH that I know for a fact that scum could vignere keyswap the gently caress out of town is what I have been telling you all day
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Jun 25, 2017 00:41
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peramene posted:Pushing it is scummy. Like I said. pera could you do me a huge favor and just list your investigations and results? I think you've done mush ecco and ? And gotten all town results, correct?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:42
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peramene posted:what the gently caress is wrong with you One of my requirements was that you all make an unbreakable breadcrumb. If someone could break it in 20 seconds it wasn't an unbreakable breadcrumb. Regardless, do you disagree that scum have an interest in trying to break the breadcrumbs, while town don't? If so, then isn't it problematic that AYC did so?
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Jun 25, 2017 00:42
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EccoRaven posted:One of my requirements was that you all make an unbreakable breadcrumb. If someone could break it in 20 seconds it wasn't an unbreakable breadcrumb. I disagree. I was feeling for a lot of today that pmush was scum. Having information on who she'd jail helps inform my thinking about her. Based on that breadcrumb, I'm leaning more towards bk now.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:44
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areyoucontagious posted:I disagree. I was feeling for a lot of today that pmush was scum. Having information on who she'd jail helps inform my thinking about her. Based on that breadcrumb, I'm leaning more towards bk now. I'm not saying you are 100% scum for it. I'm saying it's weird because scum do have an actual, game interest in breaking it; for town it's just "it'd be nice/interesting/could be helpful if I know." it's a different degree of interest. it's problematic is what I am saying.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:47
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EccoRaven posted:I'm not saying you are 100% scum for it. I'm saying it's weird because scum do have an actual, game interest in breaking it; for town it's just "it'd be nice/interesting/could be helpful if I know." it's a different degree of interest. So your post just now is basically both town and scum might use that information only scum would use it better? I'll say this, you've taught me to breadcrumb early in future games
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Jun 25, 2017 00:48
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areyoucontagious posted:Here's what I think. This is how I feel. I am done pretending that you've done anything but gaslight and otherwise gently caress with me today, Ecco. I don't have a loving clue what the hell is going on with my cop power or what alignment Quid was, but I made an enormous post about all the reasons I'm convinced AYC is and has been town and you are welcome to go loving find it yourself. areyoucontagious posted:pera could you do me a huge favor and just list your investigations and results? I think you've done mush ecco and ? And gotten all town results, correct? That's it. N1 mush inno, N2 ecco inno. I should've thought ahead and realized the ecco inno was pointless. Two nights of innos doesn't make any sense except for the fact that BK counterclaimed mush. I have an inno, and I have a claim from that inno that I question the poo poo out of, but the counterclaim from someone a guilty report is useless about has a number of holes: it came late in the day (perhaps excusable, considering), it behaves.. y'know, like a jailer does? (if I even understand what a jailer does) and I'm sitting here with HOURS down on someone I consider brilliant who has just loving not listened to reason. Now she's hitting you because proving my point (haha - or at least, claiming to <3) is somehow a bad thing, that only bad people do. N1 - Mush Innocent. N2 - Ecco Innocent. As stated but let's save you the reread, my plan is to flip a coin and investigate one or the other again. oh my god I'm going to scream at her some more
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Jun 25, 2017 00:51
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peramene posted:As stated but let's save you the reread, my plan is to flip a coin and investigate one or the other again. why is this a good use of your power? you would only get a different result if your first result was tampered by a (reverse framer?) or a scum busdriver. do you actually think you could get different results? I'll find your post on AYC but I'll be honest I don't remember it being very persuasive.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:55
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pera is it this postperamene posted:drat straight. because nothing in this post says why you think AYC is town. every line is just responding to something AYC said. once or twice you said "good point." please tell me there's another post because this isn't at all a great way to say "AYC is definitely town, no question about it."
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Jun 25, 2017 01:02
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EccoRaven posted:One of my requirements was that you all make an unbreakable breadcrumb. If someone could break it in 20 seconds it wasn't an unbreakable breadcrumb. HI, PROLIFIC LIAR HERE. 13 YEARS CLEAN. IT CAN'T BE UNBREAKABLE *AND* OBVIOUS Of *course* scum has an interest in breaking breadcrumbs for gently caress's sake, but TOWN sure does have an interest in NOT getting POWER ROLES to loving BROADCAST THEIR PLANS because encryption is HARD, goons are significantly more likely to be better at it than your average person, and it is PROBLEMATIC (everybody drink!) that you just refuse to understand that. now I'm pissed AYC called you insufferable so I feel repetitive calling you insufferable but Ecco, you are incredibly difficult to suffer. EccoRaven posted:why is this a good use of your power? No. Not really. But as far as I'm concerned, my results have been worthless and will remain worthless. You may be innocent, but your arrogance has misled you just as intensely as yesterday mine did me. FORTUNATELY, we have DAYS, which is news to me, because I thought deadline was a loving hour from now. BYE
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Jun 25, 2017 01:10
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here is everything you said in that post, and whether or not it leads to the conclusion "I believe AYC is town."peramene posted:AYC would grant me cop powers. Thanks, AYC. I misunderstood this post initially, believing that I was his choice to investigate. It didn't occur to me until rereading that he meant it the other way around. Even I presume I'm scum sometimes, apparently. AYC, why in the world would you give ME cop powers? Especially with - as AA and I both pointed out (nice try s!Quid) - other peoples' copclaims are loving useless in this game. Why a cop would even exist is mind-boggling. unless you think AYC is town because in a content game he'd give you a cop power I'm coding this as "neutral." peramene posted:You're drat right they could. +1 peramene posted:Apart from Ecco being her usual self and diving for the captain's seat, I'm concerned about this repeated focus on AA. I don't think anybody else got that much attention from AYC, save Ecco in fragments. But we've all glanced at Ecco in fragments (except BK, if memory serves.) peramene posted:Is Ecco scum because Ecco's an rear end in a top hat? AYC, it is so unbelievably boring being the only intelligent person in the room your whole goddamn life. Ecco and I share this experience and are both assholes as a result. This is after he's voted for her, vote ON her. peramene posted:SCUMTELL peramene posted:I speak the truth, darling. +2 peramene posted:(I appreciate it. Sorry it's such a hassle. <3) It still blows my mind that quid didn't vote me. didn't even try to wriggle out. it makes no loving sense. Notice the effort in actually going back to read Quid's posts and focus specifically on every time s!Quid tried to throw a little ink on me - I'm not sure what "pera is possibly scum, probably scum, and then quid would vote for her" was intended to mean, but Quid certainly didn't end up voting me. I also don't really see how this is suspicious, but AYC says it is, so here's a response to it. I don't think "this player made an argument positioning themselves against me that I don't understand" is a town thing to do so I'm gonna code this as neutral. peramene posted:When you figure it out, let me know. Christ. peramene posted:Agreed; sure; please do, it's a short read; you don't know this about me yet but I have established a reputation for being a prolific liar, while I don't want to slap down your faith that my mania was legit, just because it rings true shouldn't be much -- still don't quite understand where you're driving this bus; gently caress that jailer claim but I'll get there. This is also neutral. You're not saying anything about AYC's alignment here. peramene posted:drat straight. All-in-all there's only two comments in that long post that actually seem to be working out AYC's alignment. Most of your comments are neutral - just talking about something AYC said, rather than whether or not AYC is town or scum for thinking it. And some are just jokes. Nothing in this post suggests why you think AYC is so totally town. You described this post as "all the reasons I'm convinced AYC is and has been town." This post doesn't match what you said. It's just responding to things AYC has said, sometimes positively but most of the time neutrally (and sometimes a bit negatively). And this is what I meant about padding. Most of that post included stuff that didn't need to be responded to. You frequently spend a lot of words to say very little. It's a lot of emptiness. I am not trying to gaslight you. I am not trying to make your life more difficult. I am not trying to harp on your brain. I am saying you haven't done what you've said you've done. Yesterday you said you were convinced Quidnose was town. Today you say you're convinced he was scum. What changed? And why did what change convince you? I don't know if you're town or scum. I do know you've been exceedingly unhelpful all game. I do know your claim seems fishy because in it you draw conclusions that don't seem to follow and you rely on evidence that either isn't there or hasn't been presented or is not as strong as you present it to be. I do know you've been trying to rush people to voting BK. I'm sorry you're having a bad time. But please trust me when I say I'm trying to work with you here. I want you to be town, I want Quidnose to have been scum, I want BK to be the last scum and we can just win the game. But if I'm wrong about those things, we will lose the game. So please work with me like I'm trying to work with you.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:27
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peramene posted:No. Not really. But as far as I'm concerned, my results have been worthless and will remain worthless. You may be innocent, but your arrogance has misled you just as intensely as yesterday mine did me. Please don't investigate someone you've already investigated. It is wasting your action.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:32
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peramene posted:IT CAN'T BE UNBREAKABLE *AND* OBVIOUS here is an unbreakable handmade cipher. It is a vigenere cipher. The key is known only to me. I am making this with a vigenere sheet I made when watching Gravity Falls. DRAXXRBSFDUIGEUGOVQPEYSCCVMEGDBCHHVXBAXZMVKYFBGHADGFXNAHKKWOGOIG have a good night.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:44
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POSTERPERAMENEISASILLYGOOSEANDPOTENTIALLYSCUMBUTMAYBENOTWHOKNOWS
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Jun 25, 2017 01:49
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Oh poo poo I'm a genius! Nothing is unbreakable. Your key was odietamo
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Jun 25, 2017 01:52
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And by genius I mean I can use Google.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:54
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ITT: Cryptography. For whatever it's worth, I believe AYC. Ecco, if AYC figured it out, don't you think someone else could have, too? Someone who would have kept quiet about it? And if AYC did figure it out with ill intent, wouldn't he deliberately keep quiet about it to not let on that he broke our "secret" codes?
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Jun 25, 2017 02:01
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This is why traditional breadcrumbs work better, you can't just solve them with Google.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:02
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areyoucontagious posted:POSTERPERAMENEISASILLYGOOSEANDPOTENTIALLYSCUMBUTMAYBENOTWHOKNOWS I am successfully bested. I withdraw the suggestion. I apologize for wasting people's time with it.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:08
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goodness five minutes too. it took me an hour to make :\ my understanding of ciphers is not as strong as I thought it was.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:09
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EccoRaven posted:I am successfully bested. I withdraw the suggestion. I apologize for wasting people's time with it.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:14
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A third and final post for the night before I head out. 1) I apologize a second time. I thought a vigenere cipher with an unusual key would essentially be unsolvable, but I guess computers have bested me. My knowledge was flawed and I acted foolishly as a result. I apologize for wasting time. Had what I said been true what I've done today would have made sense, but it wasn't. Pera (and AYC) tried to tell me otherwise but I didn't really listen because I didn't think they were understanding what I was saying. So for a third and final time: I'm sorry. 2) I do think it's weird that AYC so brazenly solved PMush's real cipher and then posted about it, but PMush is right, it gets into bad WIFOM territory and is probably not worth holding against him at this time. 3) I still don't know why pera is convinced AYC is town. I really don't think BK and Quidnose were scum together; my impression of BK's posts were that he did go into Quidnose fairly deeply when he had no reason to do so if Quid was his scumbuddy. Pera disagrees, saying BK just made a jokevote and couldn't leave it in time or something. I suppose it's a matter of interpretation, but I think it is fair to say that if BK does have a still-living scumbuddy, it would be AYC. I don't think AYC is definitely 100% scum. But if BK has a buddy still alive, it doesn't make any sense for it to be pera or Pmush, I know it's not me (and I think our disconnected behavior suggests there's no coordination between us), and AA has been leaning on voting for BK all day, which makes me think it'd have to be AYC. But all of those are ifs - I am not saying BK has to have a still-living buddy (though it would better explain his vote against Quidnose). I'm not saying BK's buddy has to be AYC either. I'm just saying if one thing is true, then it's most likely, to me, that another thing is true. 4) I still don't know why pera thought Quidnose was town yesterday. She said it pretty boldly and repeatedly. Was it really just because she was convinced I was scum? She hasn't answered this yet. 5) I don't like how both pera and PMush have played today. If they were both scum, this is how they would have gone about today - tried to rush a vote on BK ASAP and pitched a fit when we didn't immediately join them. Despite all that I am still amenable to voting for BK. But I want reasons. I don't want, "it's obvious from what I know to be true," because I don't know what you know. I want reasons why BK is scum. What is it in his posts? What has he said and done that ring scum to you? And if Quid was scum, then why is BK scum for voting for Quid? My instinct is the opposite would be true.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:24
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There's the Ecco I know. Let's do some scumhunting.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:42
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lol ##vote ecco This farce has gone on long enough lol
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Jun 25, 2017 02:47
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First, let's start with this morning. Day starts (because I didn't get my action in until I woke up), I see we have no kill, make my post. I jailed BK, vote him, and get to be smug forever. Let's assume, just for a second, that I'm lying and that BK is telling the truth. Put yourself in town BK's shoes. You protect AYC, get a successful result, and come into the thread. What do you think? "I stopped the kill"? Cause that's sure as hell what I would think. Town BK looks at us, looks at my scummy face, knows that pera is either scum or I'm a godfather, and tries to trap me with his knowledge that I or my scumbuddy actually visited AYC. Instead, he goes with "you withheld the kill". Why? I cannot parse together why his logic would go there... unless he's got the combination of real happening and a narrative mixed up in his head. "Real PMush jailed me" and "Fake PMush failed to kill" get tangled up in a mess of stress and not-good-days and turn into... honestly, I don't quite follow the train at all, but the broad strokes is the only thing that makes sense to me at this point.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:53
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BottleKnight posted:As per Kash, I cannot doc myself (obviously) and he uses the rules he calls normal but I call weird, where I can't doc the same person twice in a row *~*~*Follow The Cop*~*~* A breakdown for AYC: Follow the Cop is a game-breaking strategy where a cop claims on either D1 or D2 that he is a cop, and announces his first result, then instructs the doctor to stay hidden, but protect him every night. The doctor does so, and the scum, with no way to kill the cop, have to take blind stabs at who the doctor is before all of them are found out. It's hilarious. Once. Now, there's plenty of rules and caveats in place to prevent things like that. Doctors can't protect the same target twice. Jailors are like doctors who also roleblock. Scum get a roleblocker or a strongman (one-shot unblockable kill) sometimes. All of these are things that happen, and not just with cops, with any investigative role, it's just the most effective with cops. This is just accepted as How Doctors Work now. So, why does BK's pretend doctor role have such an obvious, exploitable weakness? "Because there's no cop"? Okay, sure, maybe that would make it unnecessary, but then why would you put that in and give the setup away? This premise of "I am a doctor who can't self-protect but who can chain protect" doesn't make sense if there IS an investigative role, because it's game-breaking, and it doesn't make sense if there ISN'T an investigative role because then Kash has revealed that (or that the game is broken). The choices here are "Kash made a major, potentially game-ruining gently caress up in basic Mafia setup" or "BK is caught in a lie".
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Jun 25, 2017 03:08
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BottleKnight posted:My claim was thoughtful and good. BottleKnight posted:If I were afraid of trackers in Pmush's scenario, I'd claim jailor too. BottleKnight posted:Pmush is not a jailor. I'm sure that, post-game, her reason for claiming will either be completely unexpected or will make me real mad. Either way, lunching the doc in this game will be made even worse by the fact that you will get no info from it. These posts were twenty minutes apart.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:15
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Day 2:BottleKnight posted:Honestly, I'm a lot more likely to contradict myself as town where my opinions change and I'm much more flexible compared to scum where I believe I am beholden to my fake opinions and never change them without very specific effort to do so.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:25
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I'm tired of writing words for now and need to eat some food (and try not to pass back out too early tonight) so I'm going to leave it at that for now. pera, whenever you get back, can I hear why you still doubt my jailor claim? How do you feel about BK? Ignore Ecco for just a minute, I don't think that's going to help anything, and talk to me.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:28
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And just because I haven't gotten to shitpost in a while: ##vote BK 
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Jun 25, 2017 03:31
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I stubbed my toe at a wedding reception and I'm so done with this game right now. It could be BK it could be mush who cares. ##vote bk
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PMush Perfect posted:Day 2: this was the post that made me go "ok yeah sure that's fine"
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