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remusclaw posted:Yeah sorry, I'm being a bit too pat about it, and speculative fiction is of course often something of a monetization of fears and anxieties about the future. Lot's of "do not tamper in god's domain" and such. Trek isn't always that way, but it often is, and it can sometimes be infuriating, as in that one DS9 episode with the shipwreck survivors turned Luddites.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Watching The Ensigns of Command. Data just told a lost colony's leader that they have to evacuate the planet or they'll all die and he flatly refuses for no given reason. cf. climate change
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Jun 24, 2017 23:49
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Arglebargle III posted:cf. climate change Ah poo poo.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:57
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So if Data's taking his neural subprocessor out of his arm to fix his phaser I hope it makes it so he can't move that arm or I'm gonna be disappointed.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:59
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So if Data's taking his neural subprocessor out of his arm to fix his phaser I hope it makes it so he can't move that arm or I'm gonna be disappointed. He has more redundant systems than Worf. He just had to stop running simulations on his masturbation subroutine for a while.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:00
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Am I going insane or are the leader's lines dubbed in? You are not crazy. His lines were dubbed after all filming was completed. There's conflicting reasons as to why but the actor went uncredited for the episode.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:03
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Evek posted:You are not crazy. His lines were dubbed after all filming was completed. There's conflicting reasons as to why but the actor went uncredited for the episode. Weird.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:11
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Episode over. I was impressed by the writing, particularly around data, it was a lot more interesting and subtle than it's been up to this point.
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Jun 25, 2017 00:12
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Data has some strong writing for the episode, but I will always remember The Ensigns of Command for Picard's sauntering gently caress you to the Sheliak where he wanders over and inspects the dedication plaque while making them wait for a response.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:10
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It must really suck being a Federation diplomat. Every time you get somewhere with another race, some dipshit feddie decides they are the masters of their domain and they have claimed some planet for their rogue colony.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:07
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I love that episode because Data ultimately decides that the most rational course of action is to start shooting people.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:18
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Mountaineer posted:I love that episode because Data ultimately decides that the most rational course of action is to start shooting people. cf. climate change
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Jun 25, 2017 02:26
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Mountaineer posted:I love that episode because Data ultimately decides that the most rational course of action is to start shooting people. As he would again on The Most Toys.
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Jun 25, 2017 02:49
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dont even fink about it posted:As long as you can get over "glorious 240p quality" this is fairly interesting. After seeing that final side-by-side the time cops probably should have given him a letter of reprimand for stuffing that blue shirt lieutenant in a locker because how else would he have gotten her notepad.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:36
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Tighclops posted:I like that every time the mormons go to space in sci fi, they immediately get owned by bugs or get their ship ripped off by belters or something The Parafaith War combines Mormons and (white) Muslims into an evil expanding superpower that pollutes space, but they're opposed by the Eco-Tech Coalition, a federation of multi-ethnic eco-friendly cyborgs.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:12
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think science fiction has been more realistic about the possible dangers of some technology, while culture at large has been unwilling or unable to face those dangers. HAL 9000, M-5, Asimov, Blade Runner, and BSG have all warned about some of the inherent dangers of automation and robotics, but those have been largely unheeded. It's not that development of new technology like autonomous cars shouldn't happen, but we should be careful and not expect that technology to "save us". If we want a better world, we have to make that better world for ourselves. This reminds me of something Phlox says in Enterprise, in the Augments arc. The Denobulans carefully studied their genetic code and slowly made very small changes to eliminate hereditary diseases, etc. while humans pretty much used the technique with wild abandon to Improve The Species, and got Khan & co. as a result. And the latter is pretty much exactly what we're going to do anyway, and the same with autonomous killing machines.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:And the latter is pretty much exactly what we're going to do anyway, and the same with autonomous killing machines. All the Killbots ever wanted was to kill all humans...
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I think science fiction has been more realistic about the possible dangers of some technology, while culture at large has been unwilling or unable to face those dangers. HAL 9000, M-5, Asimov, Blade Runner, and BSG have all warned about some of the inherent dangers of automation and robotics, but those have been largely unheeded. It's not that development of new technology like autonomous cars shouldn't happen, but we should be careful and not expect that technology to "save us". If we want a better world, we have to make that better world for ourselves. My personal interpretation of the ending was that we never saw anything about the humans on Caprica, the Cylon-humans on Earth 1, or the humans on Kobol every exploring the morality of robotics prior to the rising up of their robot underclasses. This was largely substantiated in Caprica the series. So if we in the present day are the descendants of the Colonials here on Earth 2, and we are starting to once again create AI and sentient robots, we may have broken that cycle. We HAVE fiction which explores the morality of enslaving AIs we create.So presumably we won't duplicate the mistakes of our ancestors in previous cycles. But that's just my interpretation and probably has nothing to do what with what Ron Moore imagined that end to mean, or if he even thought that deeply on it.
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Astroman posted:We HAVE fiction which explores the morality of enslaving AIs we create.So presumably we won't duplicate the mistakes of our ancestors in previous cycles. We have fiction that explores the morality of war, too, it doesn't change the fact that it happens.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:59
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:This reminds me of something Phlox says in Enterprise, in the Augments arc. The Denobulans carefully studied their genetic code and slowly made very small changes to eliminate hereditary diseases, etc. while humans pretty much used the technique with wild abandon to Improve The Species, and got Khan & co. as a result.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:01
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Nessus posted:"Designer superbabies" are fast joining "assassination markets," "nuclear terrorism" and "everyone eating bugs" in the list of "future stuff that we are 100% sure is gonna happen in five years, and have for the last twenty" in my head Add cold fusion and driverless cars to that.
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Nessus posted:"Designer superbabies" are fast joining "assassination markets," "nuclear terrorism" and "everyone eating bugs" in the list of "future stuff that we are 100% sure is gonna happen in five years, and have for the last twenty" in my head Well driverless cars have already happened.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:21
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Watching The Survivors. The idea of a whole planet being glassed except one acreage is cool.
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Worf just staked his reputation on nobody being in the system at less than ten minutes later they find a vessel hiding behind a moon. I swear he gets owned at ten times the rate of any other character.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:35
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Keep watching... I'm really enjoying your delayed live posting from the 90s, though.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:44
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The Troi-hearing-music subplot is freaky.
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Jun 25, 2017 05:54
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The ship just shot the survivors' house apparently, and I have no idea what the answer to all this is. Usually I've at least got theories but not this time.
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Jun 25, 2017 06:01
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Jun 25, 2017 06:08
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Well. The old pacifist guy's God.
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That was the most disturbing episode yet, but the exploration of pacifism and godlike power was great.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:That was the most disturbing episode yet, but the exploration of pacifism and godlike power was great. Greatness only surpassed by his passion for Real Dolls.
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Finding an abandoned husnok ship in the CCG was cool. They were just sitting there empty waiting to be crewed and were Enterprise level kickass It was a cool episode but a bit of a dowder
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mycomancy posted:Greatness only surpassed by his passion for Real Dolls. We have no law to fit your crime
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I ain't gonna lie. this thread hits major high points when Jeb live posts. I got super excited to know what vexed him at this point.
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Rhyno posted:I got super excited to know what vexed him at this point. Going to guess it's when the house and yard came back.
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The Bloop posted:We have no law to fit your crime Lol Powered Descent posted:Going to guess it's when the house and yard came back. It was that + how nonchalantly the fake ship blew them up + how easily the Enterprise subsequently blew the invincible ship up.
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Nessus posted:"Designer superbabies" are fast joining "assassination markets," "nuclear terrorism" and "everyone eating bugs" in the list of "future stuff that we are 100% sure is gonna happen in five years, and have for the last twenty" in my head Maybe not five, or even twenty, but 50-100, yeah. Plus I notice you didn't include the autonomous killing machines.
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I think "we have no law to fit your crime" is less "we literally don't have laws against genocide lol" but more "our genocide law doesn't really cover an entity basically accidentally wishing a civilization out of existence." I mean, he'd studiously avoided violence up until that point - he didn't even try to directly defend the colony, remember, he was only willing to use his powers to fool the attacking Husnock. He goes out and sees his dead wife's body, and in a moment of grief unconsciously annihilates the Husnock, for which he is immediately regretful. So what should he have done? He obviously didn't want to have done it, and just because the Q can apparently "renounce" their powers and become "as weak and mortal" as a human, doesn't mean a Dowd can. If anything it seems likely he couldn't, since he'd said he decided to stop using his powers after meeting his wife, but they were still there to be called upon. Is he therefore a criminal based solely on the nature of his being? That doesn't seem like a good outcome to me. Is putting him in space-jail going to make him less likely to do it in the future? If anything it seems like it would make it more likely since he'd still be around other people and what-not.
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The Bloop posted:Keep watching... The Survivors was first aired in 1989. TNG premiered in fall of 1987.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The Survivors was first aired in 1989. TNG premiered in fall of 1987. time flies I watched it all live when it aired, but yikes im old
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