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I haven't read ball don't lie in forever but that was one of the OG basketball websites. I know it's just Dwyer leaving, and multiple people have ran that site, but it still feels like the end of an era. Basketball Twitter is its glorious self because of those mid 2000s blogs and the (now) ease of finding of nbastreams
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Teemu Pokemon posted:ESPN slowly killed spots journalism and Twitter pissed on its grave In terms of the actual craft sports writing is probably in the best place it's ever been. It just sucks if you want to make a living.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 01:06 |
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Sports Podcasts are amazing right now
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morestuff posted:In terms of the actual craft sports writing is probably in the best place it's ever been. It just sucks if you want to make a living. Well, any craft will get better over time, but unless there's more long form, and less worrying about TAEKS, it'll be a travesty regardless of how good, talented, pure, and well compensated any specific person within the industry is But that also operates on the assumption that people want to read long form, and that's where Twitter comes in.. euphronius posted:Sports Podcasts are amazing right now Podcasts aren't really journalism, but totally agree. Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Well, any craft will get better over time, but unless there's more long form, and less worrying about TAEKS, it'll be a travesty regardless of how good, talented, pure, and well compensated any specific person within the industry is Not sure what era you had in mind but even a few decades ago your options were basically your local paper, SI, and a few other magazines. It's not like blowhard columnists were hard to find then, either. There's a lot more of everything since the internet lowered the barrier to entry, good and bad, but it's pretty easy to find what you want and ignore what you don't. In theory there might be fewer outlets with the deep pockets that can fund really in-depth reporting, but even in the publishing golden age there wasn't much of that in sports sections.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 02:15 |
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morestuff posted:Not sure what era you had in mind but even a few decades ago your options were basically your local paper, SI, and a few other magazines. It's not like blowhard columnists were hard to find then, either. Well now what I'm commenting on is that The Worldwide Leader made blowhards the standard in the early aughts when ATH and PTI really hit their stride and that shaped the industry. It's been only downhill from there. I like to think there's a reason why Max Kellerman only covers boxing quote:There's a lot more of everything since the internet lowered the barrier to entry, good and bad, but it's pretty easy to find what you want and ignore what you don't. In theory there might be fewer outlets with the deep pockets that can fund really in-depth reporting, but even in the publishing golden age there wasn't much of that in sports sections. While that all may be true, that lowered "barrier for entry" has done just as much bad as good imho Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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I followed sports in the 80s and it was local sports newspaper , tv , and si. Sports talk radio was early 90s iirc
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Well now what I'm commenting on is that The Worldwide Leader made blowhards the standard in the early aughts when ATH and PTI really hit their stride and that shaped the industry. It's been only downhill from there. I feel like both these are only true if you're ignoring all the good stuff out there and actively choosing to wallow in poo poo
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 02:39 |
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He's one of my faves, and the reason why Yahoo is the place I went to first when I wanted to read about sports and couldn't get to forums for some reason.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 02:43 |
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Bye bye ball don't lie! Maybe he can join his old website pal on the starters or some other NBA channel show
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 03:08 |
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Are they getting rid of all the BDL people or just Dwyer? I'm reminded of that episode a couple months back where he pointed out the sleazy nature of some team owner (I think it was the Amway guy?) and some Yahoo exec wanted him fired for it. e: http://awfulannouncing.com/the-locker/yahoo-sports-reportedly-killed-post-dan-gilberts-behest.html
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 03:23 |
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morestuff posted:I feel like both these are only true if you're ignoring all the good stuff out there and actively choosing to wallow in poo poo I just feel that no matter how exceptional or prevalent the good poo poo out there is, it's not as close as it seems to dictating how the industry operates. There's a reason why ESPN and other outlets are dropping legitimate journalists but are still employing Stephen A ESPN has been the Fox News of sports since Fox News was getting its feet wet and that kind of ~~~*content*~~~ ain't going away quietly Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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Succinct and instant news is what people want with easily digestible takes. Longform journalism and analysis is dead.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 15:58 |
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Harlock posted:Succinct and instant news is what people want with easily digestible takes. Unless it tells a fantastic and entertaining story. Non-fiction short story, basically.
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Harlock posted:Succinct and instant news is what people want with easily digestible takes. Here's more than a dozen 1000+-word articles covering a variety of sports, tones, and outlets published in the past week or so. I found those by clicking around for five minutes.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 17:40 |
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MMA reporters have formed a professional association
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Harlock posted:Succinct and instant news is what people want with easily digestible takes. I think, like so much of journalism content, long form is actually thriving. It's just people aren't really getting paid for it and the pieces don't stay in the zeitgeist for very long. If anything, the problem is that there is so much good poo poo out there being published on a daily basis that it's difficult to capture anyone's attention for that long. This isn't so much a problem with long form journalism but just the general speed at which we seem to consume and the way people are now getting paid to do work. Maybe it will eventually lead to no one getting paid for anything and bots just writing hot takes but we are at least for now still living in an era with awesome writers writing awesome articles. So maybe long form journalism is thriving but the long form journalist is on his/her death bed BWV fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jun 15, 2017 |
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euphronius posted:I followed sports in the 80s and it was local sports newspaper , tv , and si. It's all been downhill since The George Michael Sports Machine went off the air imo
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 20:37 |
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Give Meltzer a position.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 20:40 |
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Harlock posted:Longform journalism and analysis is dead. Analysis is everywhere. Now people can get it from someone on SBNation instead of ESPN. And SBNation doesn't need to pay much if anything at all to their writers (which is ironic since it's owned by Vox). I think longform journalism has its place and is still popular. But you are going to struggle if that's all your site has to offer.
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# ? Jun 15, 2017 21:06 |
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another yahoo-verizon casualty https://twitter.com/Sean_Leahy/status/875767361722363905
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 19:21 |
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It should have been rlam
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# ? Jun 16, 2017 20:56 |
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I'm surprised all NHL/Puck Daddy isn't on the chopping block.
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Does that make Wysh and Lambert the only remaining Puck Daddy people (for now)?
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Kibner posted:Unless it tells a fantastic and entertaining story. Non-fiction short story, basically. And there's plenty of brilliant writers out there brilliant enough to write them, but not everyone is lucky enough to be Drew Magary, who can save the fiction for novels, the longer form for a national print publication, and the taeks for a site that is that right beautiful mixture of insightful, talented, and an utter joke at the same wonderful moment in time
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I see Albert Breer is still a racist jackassMMQB posted:And yet, this question from those who were there lingers: Does he still want to play?
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DJExile posted:I see Albert Breer is still a racist jackass Then again the media also went to bat for the owners after the whole Michael Sam debacle likely led to NFL players who were ready to come out and play openly going back in the closet for the remainder of their careers. Just the other day there was an article about another ex-NFL player who is gay but did not publicly come out until he was no longer playing.
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# ? Jun 25, 2017 06:34 |
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Baseball writers did an excellent job helping to get Barry Bonds blacklisted from MLB and sticking up for MLB's outrageous witchhunt against Arod, who has been a scapegoat for every evil the owners themselves created since he signed that $252 million contract.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It's not confined to him though. Sports media as a whole have done a great job allowing the owners to blackball a player into not having a job over his politics. I saw very very few pro-Kapernick articles during his protests, and I have seen so many 'quarterback x (who is terrible) deserves a job over Kapernick because he's too busy being an activist' articles that I've honestly lost count. That guy retired before Michael Sam came into the league.
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Henchman of Santa posted:That guy retired before Michael Sam came into the league. Are they wrong though?
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iospace posted:Are they wrong though? No, but he seemed to imply that Michael Sam hot takes affected that player's decision
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ElwoodCuse posted:Baseball writers did an excellent job helping to get Barry Bonds blacklisted from MLB and sticking up for MLB's outrageous witchhunt against Arod, who has been a scapegoat for every evil the owners themselves created since he signed that $252 million contract. The BBWAA is perfectly happy to carry MLB's water for them if it allows the writers to get sanctimonious and self-righteous about someone they don't like.
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# ? Jun 25, 2017 17:27 |
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Most of the BBWA should be executed honestly
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# ? Jun 25, 2017 17:30 |
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I had a contract gig with the hall of fame once developing archival collections about Wendell Smith. It's very drat telling that multiple BBWAA presidents from the 1970s refused to speak with me about the project. One even said he wouldn't talk to me until I did a project about him, the self important prick.
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Henchman of Santa posted:That guy retired before Michael Sam came into the league.
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joshtothemaxx posted:I had a contract gig with the hall of fame once developing archival collections about Wendell Smith. It's very drat telling that multiple BBWAA presidents from the 1970s refused to speak with me about the project. One even said he wouldn't talk to me until I did a project about him, the self important prick. This isn't too surprising because BBWAA writers past a certain age only talk about themselves all the time
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https://twitter.com/Lucas_Shaw/status/879387810398179332 https://twitter.com/ericjackson/status/879388590056374272
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# ? Jun 26, 2017 18:29 |
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Goddammit, I can read an 800-word article a hell of a lot more quickly than it takes to sit through a five-minute video of talking heads.
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Timby posted:Goddammit, I can read an 800-word article a hell of a lot more quickly than it takes to sit through a five-minute video of talking heads.
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Timby posted:The BBWAA is perfectly happy to carry MLB's water for them if it allows the writers to get sanctimonious and self-righteous about someone they don't like. Almost all professional journalists are willing to sacrifice coverage for access. Look at the current state of the White House press conference.
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