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The real issue with Mauritius is that, from what I remember, the historical model for Jack in that campaign basically got All The Awards and retired for life right afterwards, so if O'Brian gave him realistic rewards, so would Jack.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The real issue with Mauritius is that, from what I remember, the historical model for Jack in that campaign basically got All The Awards and retired for life right afterwards, so if O'Brian gave him realistic rewards, so would Jack. Rowley went on to become Admiral etc. and commanded some major area (the Med?) after the Napoleonic Wars. Dude definitely didn't retire. I always put it to the artist giving Jack the rewards he *ought* to have received, not necessarily what he actually *did*. Edit: Hell, maybe it's an allusion to what Rowley received but Jack didn't because of his father. I remember he should have gotten some kind of reward (knighting?) for the Waakzemheid but his dad was busy being a dick.
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Jun 23, 2017 15:33
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Hehe I never noticed before but it seems like Diana is making her way towards propositioning Stephen in the hotel in Boston but he (and the reader) are so preoccupied he doesn't pay any attention.
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Jun 26, 2017 20:18
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I never realized Stephen's friend in Paris M. La Motte was gay but he practically says as much.
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Jun 28, 2017 02:33
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Arglebargle III posted:I never realized Stephen's friend in Paris M. La Motte was gay but he practically says as much. I have always loved that. Stephen is an intelligence officer and a genius strategist who has to figure out who in Paris should be the host for his beloved but very likely to gently caress off with somebody else wife. He naturally finds the perfect person.
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Jun 28, 2017 21:54
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I love the comedy he gets out of Graham, a very dry and stuffy character, like: "You ought to have put on old boots before you went a-diving," said Graham, who had not studied moral philosophy in vain.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:56
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Graham brought out the best in Maturin. "Puddings. We trice 'em athwart the starboard gumbrils, when sailing by and large."
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Jul 4, 2017 22:59
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I just came across a supreme irony in the movie trivia for the 2003 Master and Commander film: Paul Bettany, who played Maturin, was the only one of the cast who knew how to sail.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:00
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I like that when O'Brien has decided to kill Harte, this nasty, incompetent, pathetic, grasping character he's built up over ten years, he has Jack discover that Harte uses some of his fortune to rescue Christian slaves every year. I'd forgotten about that.
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Jul 7, 2017 15:17
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Got a new job with lots of driving, I signed up for audible but I'm probably going to get through more than a book a month, what's the cheapest option for the Patrick Tull audiobooks if you buy them in one go or the like?
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Molybdenum posted:Got a new job with lots of driving, I signed up for audible but I'm probably going to get through more than a book a month, what's the cheapest option for the Patrick Tull audiobooks if you buy them in one go or the like? See if your library has them on CD. Arglebargle III posted:I like that when O'Brien has decided to kill Harte, this nasty, incompetent, pathetic, grasping character he's built up over ten years, he has Jack discover that Harte uses some of his fortune to rescue Christian slaves every year. I'd forgotten about that. That's what I love about this series. I can't think of a single character that's one dimensional, even the completely unlikable pain in the rear end.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:51
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By my count, Jack Aubrey crashed HM Ships Polychrest, Leopard, Ariel, and Diane. The man's a menace!
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Jul 14, 2017 05:00
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Doesn't someone make that point in his trial?
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Arglebargle III posted:By my count, Jack Aubrey crashed HM Ships Polychrest, Leopard, Ariel, and Diane. The man's a menace! Polychrest: Badly damaged by shore based batteries during the cutting out of the Fanciulla - and it wasn't even the shot holes, but its second-rate and corrupt construction - the seams opened 'like a flower'. Leopard: Hit an ice island in heavy fog. Ariel: run aground after being embayed; Jack could possibly have weathered that point were it not for his Lieutenant's incompetence/dyslexia in confusing larboard/starboard. Diane: Run on a reef due to the incompetence of the 2nd Lieutenant, who did not reef topsails at nightfall as per his orders. (had he done so, the ship could have been brought off before the onset of an act-of-god hurricane) So there aren't any occasions where it was really something he'd be convicted of by court-martial. Interestingly, we don't see any court-martials after the initial one for losing Sophie in Master & Commander. I know you're joking, but I wanted to show off that I remmber all that without cracking the books. I've definitely read them too much. I suppose it's a consequence of the lengthening of Aubrey's career throughout the extended 1813. I mean, how many successful single-ship actions has he undertaken? Must be more than any of his historical sources.
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I'm counting every ship that ran aground while under his command. These books are full of foreshadowing; the very first speaking line Elliott has is apologizing for ignoring orders he didn't think were important.
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If you read some books about tall ships then running aground and/or bad weather near a coast is basically the #1 reason to lose a ship. Sometimes I think there wasn't a single ship in service for more than 5 years that's hasn't been run aground several times and even outstanding captains seem to have had the misfortune several times in their careers. I guess running aground didn't rate very high in Court Martials and were probably routine thing, like a speeding ticket.
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Arglebargle III posted:I like that when O'Brien has decided to kill Harte, this nasty, incompetent, pathetic, grasping character he's built up over ten years, he has Jack discover that Harte uses some of his fortune to rescue Christian slaves every year. I'd forgotten about that. Hey, I just read that! It was even before he became wealthy, he'd been doing it for years and gave Jack money to do it for him since he didn't think he'd have time to do it. Then BOOM
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Really enjoying Post-Captain after finding the last third of M&C kind of a slog. The part where Jack disguises himself as a bear to sneak into Spain is hilarious but maybe possibly just a little bit far-fetched.
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I have to say that on my latest re-read I've had a clear dip in interest from roughly The Wine-Dark Sea onwards. There's some great moments but overall the patterns are a bit too familiar.
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Jul 20, 2017 19:37
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Is Master and Commander (the movie) worth watching?
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Jul 21, 2017 21:11
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Xander77 posted:Is Master and Commander (the movie) worth watching? Absolutely.
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Jul 21, 2017 21:45
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Colonial Air Force posted:Absolutely. 
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Jul 21, 2017 22:55
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Xander77 posted:Is Master and Commander (the movie) worth watching? 100%, it's great.
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I'm still fuming that they never made a sequel.
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Jul 22, 2017 01:57
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There is still hope! I mean the Surprise is just sitting there in San Diego being rad. Seriously, if you ever go to San Diego make sure to visit.
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It's surprising because there is definitely a contingent out there that dislikes the movie greatly. I liked it and didn't mind it as a mashup of three books. It's probably the best we're going to get anytime soon, which is also how I felt about the LOTR movies.
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It probably helps that I'd never heard of the books when I went to see the movie (I was 15 or 16 at the time). I fell in love with it, and that led me to seek out the books. Shortly after seeing the movie I was in a bookstore with my parents, and they had that boxed set with all of the books plus 21 in 5 hardback volumes, so I got my parents to buy it.
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Honestly that a movie got made at all is a miracle and the fact that it's a good movie was a second miracle on top of that.
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The movie is great and as faithful as you can expect. There isn't really an ending so it's perfect in that respect.
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It's s testament to what can happen when you put a real director in charge of an action movie, as opposed to a scrub like Zach Snyder or Michael Bay.
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Master and Commander isn't really an action movie, it's more of an adventure movie. There's two actions in the film and the rest is everyday life, heavy weather around the horn, the doldrums & Hollum's story, landfall at the Galapagos, Stephen getting shot, trepanning Plaice, officers chatting about the design and force of the Acheron and Blakeney having people try to cheer him up.
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Arglebargle III posted:Master and Commander isn't really an action movie, it's more of an adventure movie. There's two actions in the film and the rest is everyday life, heavy weather around the horn, the doldrums & Hollum's story, landfall at the Galapagos, Stephen getting shot, trepanning Plaice, officers chatting about the design and force of the Acheron and Blakeney having people try to cheer him up. So what I'm hearing is it has everything I saw it when it came.out but it's been years
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The Lord Bude posted:It's s testament to what can happen when you put a real director in charge of an action movie, as opposed to a scrub like Zach Snyder or Michael Bay. Jerry Bruckheimer's "The Wine Dark Sea"
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:Jerry Bruckheimer's "The Wine Dark Sea" In a world... where sail was king... [cue 95 minutes of explosions set to an Aerosmith song]
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Xander77 posted:Is Master and Commander (the movie) worth watching? It's one of my favorite movies and what led to me starting to read the series. I think that the simple setting allows the actors room to breath and show their talent, with Russel Crowe and Paul Bettany in particular doing a great job bouncing off each other. It blows my mind that it didn't get a sequel, but I read that Crowe read the books after filming wrapped up and became a fan of the series. It'd be nice if they brought it back for another movie, but the original cast is getting to the age that it might not be feasible for them.
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Professor Shark posted:It's one of my favorite movies and what led to me starting to read the series. I think that the simple setting allows the actors room to breath and show their talent, with Russel Crowe and Paul Bettany in particular doing a great job bouncing off each other. Everyone except the studio wanted a sequel. The financial costs were too high for them, apparently.
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Professor Shark posted:It blows my mind that it didn't get a sequel, but I read that Crowe read the books after filming wrapped up and became a fan of the series. It'd be nice if they brought it back for another movie, but the original cast is getting to the age that it might not be feasible for them. What, you can't see them filming The Hundred Days at this point? I think they're almost at a perfect age for that.
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M&C is a perfect subject for a prestige miniseries with a big CG budget.
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ItalicSquirrels posted:What, you can't see them filming The Hundred Days at this point? I think they're almost at a perfect age for that. I'm only on book 10
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