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I received my R7 1700 yesterday and the first AMD experience in over a decade is not so pleasant, although it isn't AMD's fault. I ordered 16GB of GSkill Trident-Z RGB RAM with it because that was the only Samsung B-die RAM in stock. Long story short, my attempt at turning off the RGB lights bricked both RAM sticks. The RGB lights are controlled by an SPD setting and the Gskill software has a problem with the Ryzen platform's SMBus, so it (sometimes?) writes garbage to the SPD and bricks RAM sticks. According to other people with this problem Gskill does not honor warranty for sticks with rewritten SPD. Lovely! Fortunately there is a solution. http://softnology.biz sells software for $16 that can flash SPDs and has a database of common RAM sticks. Since GSkill doesn't write things like serial number or manufacturing date into their modules it should be possible restore them to factory conditon. The only problem is that I have to find an Intel DDR4 system to do this because this Ryzen system straight up doesn't recognise the sticks anymore, not even in the BIOS. TLDR: Don't buy dumb RGB RAM for your Ryzen systems. Actually don't buy dumb RGB RAM period.
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RGB is cancer, that just goes without saying. I will allow for a low-intensity single color of backlight on such things like keyboards to allow for things like night typing, but it must come in a color that minimizes blue light. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 09:00 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 08:51
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eames posted:Long story short, my attempt at turning off the RGB lights bricked both RAM sticks. The RGB lights are controlled by an SPD setting and the Gskill software has a problem with the Ryzen platform's SMBus, so it (sometimes?) writes garbage to the SPD and bricks RAM sticks. What the gently caress. I always see people recommending this exact RAM too.
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Jul 4, 2017 11:59
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Any tips for getting ram to run at it's advertised speed? I bought some corsair 3200mhz, that was on my motherboards QVL running at 3200mhz: a-xmp doesn't work, and setting it manually to 3200 doesn't work. I set the timings/voltage according to the sticker on the ram (16-18-18-36 at 1.36V) but it doesn't post. It's stable at 2933, but I've got an itch that only 3200 will scratch.
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Jul 4, 2017 12:12
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Slightly OT, but when iPhone 7 was already using LPDDR4-4266 last year and yet so many people are still having so many problems running just 2 DDDR4 sticks @ 3000+ MHz on either Intel or AMD systems I guess we hit a brick wall for RAM in a socketable form.
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Jul 4, 2017 12:30
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Visidan posted:What the gently caress. I always see people recommending this exact RAM too. The comments of this Youtube video show that not just my system, sadly I didn't see it earlier or I would have ordered different B-die RAM elsewhere. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfK-YLaPZo I've got a spare PC-2133 stick here so the system boots but neither of the Gskill sticks shows up anywhere, not even in the SPD software. Intel systems are supposedly better at recognising sticks with corrupt SPD so I'm going to try that with a friend's system later today. The "Taiphoon Burner" licenses are system-specific so I get to buy a license for his system. 
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Jul 4, 2017 12:38
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Palladium posted:Slightly OT, but when iPhone 7 was already using LPDDR4-4266 last year and yet so many people are still having so many problems running just 2 DDDR4 sticks @ 3000+ MHz on either Intel or AMD systems I guess we hit a brick wall for RAM in a socketable form. I mean, if whoever's-in-charge-of-RAM-software only had to get like one or two SKUs figured out instead of all of them, we might be there. Do we know the timings on iPhone RAM?
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Jul 4, 2017 14:46
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I dread the day I can't be a decent case with a solid panel instead of a window. Why do people want ram sticks that light up of all things.
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Jul 4, 2017 14:50
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NewFatMike posted:I mean, if whoever's-in-charge-of-RAM-software only had to get like one or two SKUs figured out instead of all of them, we might be there. considering the RAM is integrated into the package the latency is probably pretty low
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Jul 4, 2017 15:01
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nerox posted:I dread the day I can't be a decent case with a solid panel instead of a window. Why do people want ram sticks that light up of all things. Computer hardware is so loving dumb.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:09
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I like the RGB stuff sometimes because I treat my computer as both tool and art, but I'm thinking subtle accents not the rave party that seems to becoming into vogue. God, I must be getting old.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:17
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nerox posted:I dread the day I can't be a decent case with a solid panel instead of a window. We'll love you no matter how you look. RGB stuff is alright, I just don't spend enough time looking at my components to justify spending additional money to make them light up.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:22
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How will you know your computer is on without pulsing light coming from your pc or pc accessories 
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Jul 4, 2017 15:36
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nerox posted:I dread the day I can't be a decent case with a solid panel instead of a window. Why do people want ram sticks that light up of all things. I just swapped the panels on my case 
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Jul 4, 2017 15:37
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Risky Bisquick posted:How will you know your computer is on without pulsing light coming from your pc or pc accessories Yeah, this but unironically. I kind of like being able to see the glowing lights through the back of my fan exhaust to know it's running. Everything else is solid, though.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:39
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I won't even buy RAM with heatspreaders, let alone lights
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Jul 4, 2017 15:42
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Risky Bisquick posted:How will you know your computer is on without pulsing light coming from your pc or pc accessories
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Jul 4, 2017 15:44
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ufarn posted:What kind of sociopath plugs in their flashing HDD chassis light. it'd actually be useful since SSDs exist now, but it doesn't exist on my case 
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Jul 4, 2017 15:48
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underage at the vape shop posted:Any tips for getting ram to run at it's advertised speed? I bought some corsair 3200mhz, that was on my motherboards QVL running at 3200mhz: It took an OC of my chip to get that exact ram set to run at 3200. If you loosen the timings will it run at 3200?
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Jul 4, 2017 15:49
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Truga posted:it'd actually be useful since SSDs exist now Please explain
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Jul 4, 2017 15:49
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SinineSiil posted:Please explain You could hear HDDs doing work, now if you're stuck on a loading screen there's literally zero feedback whether your thing is just feeling like loading slowly today or if it hanged. vvvv: that's fair. Truga fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 15:51
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Truga posted:You could hear HDDs doing work, now if you're stuck on a loading screen there's literally zero feedback whether your thing is just feeling like loading slowly today or if it hanged. This is what the scroll lock button on your keyboard is for, testing to see if it's hung.
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Jul 4, 2017 15:53
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Truga posted:You could hear HDDs doing work, now if you're stuck on a loading screen there's literally zero feedback whether your thing is just feeling like loading slowly today or if it hanged. Ahh, makes sense!
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Jul 4, 2017 16:00
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Measly Twerp posted:This is what the scroll lock button on your keyboard is for, testing to see if it's hung. How does that work?
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The Trident-Z had significantly better timings than the more expensive non-RGB part, so it seemed like a no-brainer because my Define S has no window. Anyway, we were able to revive one stick on a Intel board. Second one is still completely dead. Fingers crossed for RMA. Other observations: The 1700 stock cooler has a vapor-chamber core, not a solid copper core like most Intel coolers. Cools much better than I expected. Think twice before ordering some Noctua monster unless you need more than 3.8 Ghz. IOMMU groups are fine but turns out that my board does not have the additional separate SATA controller. There's no isolation between on-die controllers, so I can't just pass through one of the two internal SATA controllers. I can pass through the NVME drive though so that's no problem. VM CPU performance is still abysmal without NPT but at least the KVM maintainers acknowledged the bug. UnRAID is buggy and requires C-States to be disabled in the BIOS. The system pulls almost 110W idle at 3.7 Ghz and "auto" vCore. (Seasonic Titanium PSU)  I'm going to keep ~25W Haswell system as a NAS and will be using this AMD box with a OS on bare metal until stuff gets fixed.
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Arivia posted:How does that work? if the computer's hanged itself, the lock keys on your keyboard will not respond.
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eames posted:VM CPU performance is still abysmal without NPT but at least the KVM maintainers acknowledged the bug. Do you have a link to this or the bug report or something?
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Jul 4, 2017 16:21
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Truga posted:if the computer's hanged itself, the lock keys on your keyboard will not respond. This is not true in all cases. Sometimes the OS can be totally frozen and the keyboard lights will cycle correctly.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:36
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underage at the vape shop posted:Any tips for getting ram to run at it's advertised speed? I bought some corsair 3200mhz, that was on my motherboards QVL running at 3200mhz: Buildzoid made a video about ram overclocking on ryzen. Might be something useful in there for you even if you have a different motherboard to his. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v73oXX1C-Q
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Risky Bisquick posted:This is not true in all cases. Sometimes the OS can be totally frozen and the keyboard lights will cycle correctly. No, because the OS signals the light change. If no part of the OS code is executing, the lights don't change. Sometimes big pieces can be locked, though, and have that portion still function.
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Subjunctive posted:No, because the OS signals the light change. If no part of the OS code is executing, the lights don't change. Sometimes big pieces can be locked, though, and have that portion still function. mouse frozen, keyboard lights work, os doesn't respond. Machine is frozen.
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Risky Bisquick posted:mouse frozen, keyboard lights work, os doesn't respond. Machine is frozen. You'll need to explain to me what is triggering the light change then, if not the handler in the OS that's executing on time.
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Subjunctive posted:You'll need to explain to me what is triggering the light change then, if not the handler in the OS that's executing on time.  , kidding it was actually an AMD driver crash causing this.
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There are times where the system will be otherwise responsive and the keyboard lights work. But I'll be damned if that's not the first thing I check when I suspect a hang / freeze.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:It took an OC of my chip to get that exact ram set to run at 3200. If you loosen the timings will it run at 3200? I don't know enough to be able to figure out what to set them to on my own. lovely Treat posted:Buildzoid made a video about ram overclocking on ryzen. Might be something useful in there for you even if you have a different motherboard to his. I'll watch this in the morning and give it a try, Thanks. underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Truga posted:I just swapped the panels on my case (I had to order a side panel from Germany without a window. Thermaltake took 3 weeks to reply to emails / FB messages, I mailed 3 different countries reps before getting one.)
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underage at the vape shop posted:I don't know enough to be able to figure out what to set them to on my own. Just make the numbers bigger. So something like 18-20-20-40 instead of 16-18-18-36. Video is good though.
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eames posted:Other observations: The Wraith Spire does? I thought only the Wraith Max cooler did.
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SoftNum posted:Do you have a link to this or the bug report or something? Yes, here's the thread: http://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm/thrd4.html#149446 To quote the KVM Maintainer: "Nested AMD needs some care. It's known, but time has been lacking..." SourKraut posted:The Wraith Spire does? I thought only the Wraith Max cooler did. That's what I thought until I took off the fan to rotate the fan frame (  )Here's a vid I found that shows the soldered filling port. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8qeLXjiVms&t=139s Bonus: watch the dude thread steel screws into the aluminum heatsink while it is mounted on his motherboard and blow the shavings into his RAM slots. 
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SourKraut posted:The Wraith Spire does? I thought only the Wraith Max cooler did. They still get quite toasty at 3.8. I'd still get a noctua personally. They use dark magic in the fans.
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