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Peel: Dec 3, 2007

if the far right was dominating the internet/new media/the meme war/whatever in some dangerous way you'd expect there to be a positive relation between being in a generation that's exposed to it and being right-wing, rather than exactly the opposite. that feeling of 'wow what a dipshit' you get when you see a pepe dork going on about the Cuck News Network or whatever, everyone else gets that too.

if the left has a problem it's converting the actual mass movement among younger people from mild social democracy to something more revolutionary and resilient

# ? Jul 10, 2017 17:30

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Captain_Maclaine: Sep 30, 2001

walgreenslatino posted:

they'll be a united front as soon as they finally settle whether or not Italians are white

I wanna say five or six years ago there was an attempt by various European hard right/neo-fascist groups to convene an international conference for the defense of the West from Islam or Judeo-Bolshevism or whatever. It fragmented almost instantly over whether they should let the Poles participate, as I recall.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 17:34

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

mister magpie posted:

we don't need left pizzagate

Need, no. Want... kinda.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 17:39

AnEdgelord: Dec 12, 2016

mister magpie posted:

we don't need left pizzagate

Isn't that louise mensch or are we counting her as the centrist pizzagate?

# ? Jul 10, 2017 17:43

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVcH6vUvKvA

# ? Jul 10, 2017 17:48

Peel: Dec 3, 2007

LordAbaddon posted:

Isn't that louise mensch or are we counting her as the centrist pizzagate?

louise mensch is literally a former tory and murdoch employee so she's basically the right as opposed to far-right pizzagate

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:07

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

Peel posted:

louise mensch is literally a former tory and murdoch employee so she's basically the right as opposed to far-right pizzagate

She's also friends with Milo Yanananananana

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:08

AnEdgelord: Dec 12, 2016

Peel posted:

louise mensch is literally a former tory and murdoch employee so she's basically the right as opposed to far-right pizzagate

I would normally feel embarrassed about not knowing a thing this badly but I feel like it was a good choice to know nothing about louise mensch at all beyond basic awareness about her existence

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:14

Peel: Dec 3, 2007

lmao I am not surprised she knows milo

LordAbaddon posted:

I would normally feel embarrassed about not knowing a thing this badly but I feel like it was a good choice to know nothing about louise mensch at all beyond basic awareness about her existence

much like milo she tried to reboot her career when she moved to the states, it was weird for watchers from here where she's been infamous for years

and also much like milo, your attitude there is 100% the correct one

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:16

Karl Barks: Jan 21, 1981

cnn should have blackmailed him but kept it secret

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:19

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

I am the communist Sam Hyde

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:28

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

Louise Mensch co-founded Heat Street for Christ's sake.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 18:58

dk2m: May 6, 2009

Peel posted:

if the far right was dominating the internet/new media/the meme war/whatever in some dangerous way you'd expect there to be a positive relation between being in a generation that's exposed to it and being right-wing, rather than exactly the opposite. that feeling of 'wow what a dipshit' you get when you see a pepe dork going on about the Cuck News Network or whatever, everyone else gets that too.

if the left has a problem it's converting the actual mass movement among younger people from mild social democracy to something more revolutionary and resilient

in my own opinion, the main effect the propaganda has achieved is the reduced trust in almost every institution, going as far as even questioning truth itself. i mean leftists say nothing matters because the campaign has and is succeeding.

4chan and its ilk HAVE impacted the world. reddit is the 7th most trafficked site in the US, and during the election, there were days where nothing but the donald (which was effectively run, at least initially, by 4chan) dominated the front page. the social engineering on the internet forced you to confront almost every right wing talking point even if you just used it casually. trump and surrogates embraced it almost organically as well.

old started screaming bill clinton is a rapist and hillary might be ill. the pundits shook their heads because they didn't know how to respond, but it was interesting and got ratings. fact checkers didn't matter, because cynicism is intellectually dishonest and can find ways around logic. and it's fun! it's fun being the little guy, the uncaring cynic. is it fun to defend workers rights?

the left has been beat at using the internet effectively. right now, leftists are resigned to aligning with the intelligence agencies and the press, who in my view, are enemies. narrative presence is still being dominated by centrist neoliberals, especially on twitter. instead, leftists should learn from the use of disinformation and use it in their favor. i think this is a controversial view, but having fascist talking points as now literally state narrative requires a response.

there will always be disagreements idealogically, but the far right is effective practically. jamming the internet to increase the noise to signal ratio is brilliant. infowars has loving millions of viewers, more than CNN. being the ultimate skeptic and cynic paints idealism as quaint and outdated. having hope that human decency wins out is naive, because this really is a propaganda war and the internet is ground zero. there's a reason russian involvement happened - authoritarian governments know that the internet isn't analogous to a printing press, it's more akin to the written word - it's changed the way we know itself.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:07

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Plutonis posted:

Stirner is old news, the meme getting forced now is Nazbol Gang

Get with the times! It's anti-anglo now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_coIBlxjvU

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:15

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

dk2m posted:

in my own opinion, the main effect the propaganda has achieved is the reduced trust in almost every institution, going as far as even questioning truth itself. i mean leftists say nothing matters because the campaign has and is succeeding.

4chan and its ilk HAVE impacted the world. reddit is the 7th most trafficked site in the US, and during the election, there were days where nothing but the donald (which was effectively run, at least initially, by 4chan) dominated the front page. the social engineering on the internet forced you to confront almost every right wing talking point even if you just used it casually. trump and surrogates embraced it almost organically as well.

old started screaming bill clinton is a rapist and hillary might be ill. the pundits shook their heads because they didn't know how to respond, but it was interesting and got ratings. fact checkers didn't matter, because cynicism is intellectually dishonest and can find ways around logic. and it's fun! it's fun being the little guy, the uncaring cynic. is it fun to defend workers rights?

the left has been beat at using the internet effectively. right now, leftists are resigned to aligning with the intelligence agencies and the press, who in my view, are enemies. narrative presence is still being dominated by centrist neoliberals, especially on twitter. instead, leftists should learn from the use of disinformation and use it in their favor. i think this is a controversial view, but having fascist talking points as now literally state narrative requires a response.

there will always be disagreements idealogically, but the far right is effective practically. jamming the internet to increase the noise to signal ratio is brilliant. infowars has loving millions of viewers, more than CNN. being the ultimate skeptic and cynic paints idealism as quaint and outdated. having hope that human decency wins out is naive, because this really is a propaganda war and the internet is ground zero. there's a reason russian involvement happened - authoritarian governments know that the internet isn't analogous to a printing press, it's more akin to the written word - it's changed the way we know itself.

i'm not reading this because I'm sure it's stupid

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:20

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

dk2m posted:

in my own opinion, the main effect the propaganda has achieved is the reduced trust in almost every institution, going as far as even questioning truth itself. i mean leftists say nothing matters because the campaign has and is succeeding.

4chan and its ilk HAVE impacted the world. reddit is the 7th most trafficked site in the US, and during the election, there were days where nothing but the donald (which was effectively run, at least initially, by 4chan) dominated the front page. the social engineering on the internet forced you to confront almost every right wing talking point even if you just used it casually. trump and surrogates embraced it almost organically as well.

old started screaming bill clinton is a rapist and hillary might be ill. the pundits shook their heads because they didn't know how to respond, but it was interesting and got ratings. fact checkers didn't matter, because cynicism is intellectually dishonest and can find ways around logic. and it's fun! it's fun being the little guy, the uncaring cynic. is it fun to defend workers rights?

the left has been beat at using the internet effectively. right now, leftists are resigned to aligning with the intelligence agencies and the press, who in my view, are enemies. narrative presence is still being dominated by centrist neoliberals, especially on twitter. instead, leftists should learn from the use of disinformation and use it in their favor. i think this is a controversial view, but having fascist talking points as now literally state narrative requires a response.

there will always be disagreements idealogically, but the far right is effective practically. jamming the internet to increase the noise to signal ratio is brilliant. infowars has loving millions of viewers, more than CNN. being the ultimate skeptic and cynic paints idealism as quaint and outdated. having hope that human decency wins out is naive, because this really is a propaganda war and the internet is ground zero. there's a reason russian involvement happened - authoritarian governments know that the internet isn't analogous to a printing press, it's more akin to the written word - it's changed the way we know itself.

The world is lovely enough and led by lovely people that we don't need to invent anything, we just turn on the news. What matters is organising against all those real things, encouraging people to recognise and rebel against their oppression and in our off hours posting funny pictures about Lenin and what animals are the most socialist.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:23

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013

What kind of brain parasite makes you think we should emulate /pol/?

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:28

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Get this guys...

Posting doesn't matter

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:31

an actual dog: Nov 18, 2014

my posting matters

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:53

Breakfast All Day: Oct 21, 2004

2 post or not 2 post... That is the question *ponders pepe skull*

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:58

Impermanent: Apr 1, 2010

bill clinton is a rapist imo

# ? Jul 10, 2017 19:59

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The left should unironically ignore the posting wars and instead emulate the absolutely batshit right wing militia groups.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:00

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

an actual dog posted:

my posting matters

All posts matter

Larry Parrish posted:

The left should unironically ignore the posting wars and instead emulate the absolutely batshit right wing militia groups.

lol if you don't think the future of everything depends on which ideology is going to be best at asymmetrical warfare.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:03

MizPiz: May 29, 2013; by Athanatos

Larry Parrish posted:

The left should unironically ignore the posting wars and instead emulate the absolutely batshit right wing militia groups.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:03

Dreddout: Oct 1, 2015; You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Larry Parrish posted:

The left should unironically ignore the posting wars and instead emulate the absolutely batshit right wing militia groups.

I'll bring the Kratom if u bring the rifles!

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:04

Plutonis: Mar 25, 2011

Larry Parrish posted:

The left should unironically ignore the posting wars and instead emulate the absolutely batshit right wing militia groups.

The left alread knows how to hvewmlre than half its members be fed infiltrators

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:09

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

i'm not reading this because I'm sure it's stupid

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:10

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

dk2m posted:

why is there no hard counter to 4chan/8chan owning the redpill and fascist narrative. the hard right has been unified consistently, but the hard leftists are creating non-funny and non-approchable poo poo and letting centrist neoliberals take on a losing propaganda battle

the president is literally retweeting internet memes and the left is bumbling around trying to combat disinformation and noise with philosophical idealism. it will never work and thats why everything will continue not matterring. leftists propaganda is garbage, and there isn't a single internet community that is trying to outmatch 4chan. lenin would be displeased as gently caress knowing we have the internet at our disposal and yet let cynics and fascists take over the narrative

Unfortunately all the best leftymemes are targeting other leftists.

# ? Jul 10, 2017 20:29

Ruzihm: Aug 11, 2010; Group up and push mid, proletariat!

Did someone say leftcom memes

# ? Jul 10, 2017 21:00

mags: May 30, 2008; I am a congenital optimist.

Ruzihm posted:

Did someone say leftcom memes

rofl

# ? Jul 10, 2017 21:16

Larry Parrish: Jul 9, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

*meekly* I'm a syndicalist so thats good to me

# ? Jul 10, 2017 21:23

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."