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blugu64 posted:Linux Linux was a clone of a microcomputer operating system that was a clone of a computer operating system so it's a sort of gray area. SubG posted:Depending on how you're defining things there's OpenVMS, OpenSolaris, RISC OS Open, and other commercial OSes that got free-ish releases after the end of their effective commercial lives. I, along with the world, forgot about RISC OS and I guess I'd have to concede VMS and Solaris because I think they both were shipped with "workstations" as well despite starting out on bigger iron. And here I thought the microcomputer qualifier would do nicely to rule out all them unici. e: I guess the thing most of these have in common is that they didn't need to be re-written from the ground up. Most projects like that seem to fail completely while Free DOS did not.
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SubG posted:Depending on how you're defining things there's OpenVMS, OpenSolaris, RISC OS Open, and other commercial OSes that got free-ish releases after the end of their effective commercial lives. He said "clone", which should disqualify everything you listed.
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Jul 10, 2017 15:31
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Pham Nuwen posted:He said "clone", which should disqualify everything you listed.
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Lurking Haro posted:Are you confusing it with GNU Hurd? Mostly I'm just making bad jokes as a former Linux support tech.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:02
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What about BSD and its litter of unruly open source offspring?
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Jul 10, 2017 16:10
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Collateral Damage posted:What about BSD and its litter of unruly open source offspring?
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Jul 10, 2017 16:38
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AvE takes apart a Juicero. It's even more hilariously overbuilt than you could possibly imagine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cp-BGQfpHQ And a follow-up shenanigans video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVmppyflS0
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Jul 10, 2017 19:49
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Now I kind of want to drag my O2 down from the attic again. I'm very happy that I can easily afford a super-powerful desktop, but I kind of miss the sense of wonder at the weird and wonderful workstations - it's like the world lost all the supercars and we're left driving (great) modern Toyotas.
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Jul 10, 2017 21:38
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My friend got a local universities old $4m SGI Origin 3000 supercomputer when they wanted to throw it away. Not really a home-use machine with it using 7kW of power or something stupid like that. I've got one of the empty racks in my garage but it's too big to fit through the door into my house and I'm not sure what I want to do with it anyway. It has an awesome "3-phase to standard household power" distribution board in it and a great door. If I get a house with a big computer/gaming room I might put a fridge inside it or something.
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Jul 11, 2017 00:02
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Gromit posted:My friend got a local universities old $4m SGI Origin 3000 supercomputer when they wanted to throw it away. Not really a home-use machine with it using 7kW of power or something stupid like that. You might be able to get a decent sum for that power distro.
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Jul 11, 2017 02:58
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Gromit posted:My friend got a local universities old $4m SGI Origin 3000 supercomputer when they wanted to throw it away. Not really a home-use machine with it using 7kW of power or something stupid like that. Got a photo of the power distribution equipment? (It's 240/400V right?)
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Even a network-accessible remote-controlled 3-phase to 110/220V PDU which can measure the current draw of each of the 24 individual ports is only like $1k brand new last I checked a few years ago so I'm not sure he's gonna get fat stacks for whatever SGI unit he's got.SubG posted:I'm honestly not sure if you're trying to suggest that e.g. OpenSolaris doesn't qualify as a clone of earlier, non-free Solaris releases because it's more like them than FreeDOS is compared to MS-DOS, or because it's less similar. I could see the case being made either way. I'm asserting that, since OpenSolaris was simply the Solaris kernel+userspace released by Sun/Oracle under an open source license, it doesn't count as a clone at all. Same goes for quote:OpenVMS [...] RISC OS Open, and other commercial OSes that got free-ish releases after the end of their effective commercial lives. A "clone" would be a re-implementation of the original code: FreeDOS was written to provide a supported, compatible environment for DOS programs when MS ended support for MS-DOS without open-sourcing it. The FreeDOS guys implemented their own system based only on their knowledge of what APIs a DOS-compatible kernel must provide. Similarly, Linus Torvalds made a "Unix clone", Linux, by looking at the POSIX specification and writing a from-scratch kernel which provided all the required functionality. 
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Jul 11, 2017 04:23
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Pham Nuwen posted:I'm asserting that, since OpenSolaris was simply the Solaris kernel+userspace released by Sun/Oracle under an open source license, it doesn't count as a clone at all. The userspace argument is kinda a non-starter as well, since so much of it is already open source poo poo stapled together. But even at that it's not just the commercial release released as open source, as the userspace was reworked to avoid IP encumbrances and so on as well. But whatever. OpenSolaris was intended to be an open source equivalent of Solaris. Whether or not you want to call it a clone...whatever. Interestingly, FreeDOS was not intended to be equivalent to MS-DOS. Or at least not according to Jim Hall. Compatibility was of course a goal, but Hall says that he was never interested in just making another DOS workalike---he was out to write a better DOS. Which is why I could see the `clone' argument either way. FreeDOS was intended to be compatible but not equivalent in the way OpenSolaris was intended to be both compatible with and equivalent to Solaris. And Torvalds didn't start out making a UNIX clone by looking at the POSIX standards. He started out making a MINIX clone by looking at the MINIX source. For at least the first couple releases he didn't even have access to the POSIX standards.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Even a network-accessible remote-controlled 3-phase to 110/220V PDU which can measure the current draw of each of the 24 individual ports is only like $1k brand new last I checked a few years ago so I'm not sure he's gonna get fat stacks for whatever SGI unit he's got. Yeah, I'm just talking about what is essentially a power board but it takes 3-phase input (or at least, one of those big orange screw-on connectors with pins like pencils - I'm no power expert), nothing fancy at all. The whole rack looks great though. It's essentially this one, but without the LCD display.
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Jul 11, 2017 08:56
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Gromit posted:My friend got a local universities old $4m SGI Origin 3000 supercomputer when they wanted to throw it away. Not really a home-use machine with it using 7kW of power or something stupid like that. Relevant (and already posted Im sure) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45X4VP8CGtk
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Computer viking posted:Now I kind of want to drag my O2 down from the attic again. I'm very happy that I can easily afford a super-powerful desktop, but I kind of miss the sense of wonder at the weird and wonderful workstations - it's like the world lost all the supercars and we're left driving (great) modern Toyotas. http://hardware.majix.org/computers/sgi/casemods.shtml
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I took this picture at the Salvation Army today, and present it without further comment:
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a) I guess they never heard about CED disks (or perhaps they did and that's where the confusion set in, but ... that seems unlikely) b) 300 kr, really? ($36, ca) As for modding a PC into the O2, I don't know - it runs as is, and the weirdness of IRIX and old MIPS hardware is part of the charm; I even have an O2cam for it. Thinking about it, I actually have two, but the case of the slow one is rather shabby. Still, it would be a neat thing to have ... maybe eventually. I'm also really tempted to build something modern in the Alpha PWS tower and run OpenVMS for x64 on it when they eventually finish that port. 
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Jul 11, 2017 20:19
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Gromit posted:Yeah, I'm just talking about what is essentially a power board but it takes 3-phase input (or at least, one of those big orange screw-on connectors with pins like pencils - I'm no power expert), nothing fancy at all. The whole rack looks great though. It's essentially this one, but without the LCD display. like this?  If it's more than three pins, it's most likely multi-phase and not much use in a residential house hold.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:26
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Turns out it's 5 pins!
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Gromit posted:Turns out it's 5 pins! vv Stoves typically use 240VAC which isn't 3-phase. This wouldn't work. TotalLossBrain has a new favorite as of 00:09 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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TotalLossBrain posted:OK so it needs three phase ac to begin with. who needs a stove when you got old computer hardware
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TotalLossBrain posted:OK so it needs three phase ac to begin with. That's not so bad. I've heard that the electricity company here will install 3-phase if you need it for, say, ducted AC. Moot point, of course, as I have no intention of getting 3-phase in just to run some stuff in that rack cabinet. Having said that, it would be cool to have 3P running to a massive strip of standard power outlets for all the gear in my computer room.
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Gromit posted:That's not so bad. I've heard that the electricity company here will install 3-phase if you need it for, say, ducted AC. Moot point, of course, as I have no intention of getting 3-phase in just to run some stuff in that rack cabinet. In the UK it tends to be against the health and safety rules at most companies to have multiple phases in the same rack, since you can do yourself more damage with 440V potential between different phases...
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Jul 14, 2017 07:16
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 Look at “dipless” pen (read: totally a dip pen) sold with a chain so you can attach it to the counter at your bank or whatever. A pen like that will make a huge stain on your clothes the moment you pocket it, so I can only imagine that there roving gangs of pen thieves wearing pocket protectors in 1957.
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Platystemon posted:Look at “dipless” pen (read: totally a dip pen). Wonderful. "No. 407 - Dipless" then one sentence later "one dip of the pen and you can write 300 words". They couldn't even be bothered to come up with a marketing synonym.
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Jul 14, 2017 16:00
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Horace posted:Wonderful. Everybody back then was drunk and on amphetamines.
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Jul 14, 2017 17:45
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It was a typo. It was supposed to say "Dip less". As in you are going to dip less often than before.
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Jul 14, 2017 21:06
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Horace posted:Wonderful. Officially they were called that because you would dip the pen less.  The trick was that the stand had a large pool of ink in it and the pen would be wetted every time it was placed in the stand. If it was employed at a bank endorsing cheques all day or in any other activity that didn’t exceed 300 words in a run, you or your customers would’t have to purposefully dip the pen.
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legooolas posted:In the UK it tends to be against the health and safety rules at most companies to have multiple phases in the same rack, since you can do yourself more damage with 440V potential between different phases... In the right places in the US it can be 600/347V.  I want to see a power supply that works on 347V.
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Jul 16, 2017 03:58
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Stopped by a Goodwill today, saw a VCR head cleaner cartridge. That in itself is pretty obsolete. But the real mindfuck, and the reason I'm posting about here instead of the tech relics thread? It was for Beta. (Sadly I didn't think to take a photo.)
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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I once had a cd drive cleaner. A cd that had bristles on it to sweep whatever off the laser diode inside.
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WebDog posted:I once had a cd drive cleaner. A cd that had bristles on it to sweep whatever off the laser diode inside. Me too. My Xbox optical drive went from dodgy to dead.
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WebDog posted:I once had a cd drive cleaner. A cd that had bristles on it to sweep whatever off the laser diode inside. Those usually had cheesy aetheral music on them that played while it was cleaning, and every time the brush hit the laser thered be a nice thumping noise. Im sure these things killed more drives than they resuced, but my dying 3x cd drive got resurrected for another few months of dodgy service by one of em so i got my ten bucks worth
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I never had problems with them, but then again I only ever used them for simple 1x CD players. The multiple speed computer drives had different drive heads and it's possible the brush was more likely to mess those up.
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Jul 21, 2017 12:34
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When I worked at Radio Shack we actually had separate versions of the cd with bristles, one for CD players and one for DVD players and I'm like 99% sure they were the exact same item inside different packaging
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Jul 21, 2017 13:39
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Kelp Me! posted:When I worked at Radio Shack we actually had separate versions of the cd with bristles, one for CD players and one for DVD players and I'm like 99% sure they were the exact same item inside different packaging I have one for blu-ray drives. It doesn't have a brush because that would be bad. It has a couple of holes in it which are supposed to create little vortexes or whirlwinds to suck or blow dust off the lens or something. It probably does literally nothing.
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Not really a tech relic but I found a DVD screener for the pilot of the old SyFy show Continuum at Barnes & Noble yesterday, and it has the names, email addresses, office and cell phone numbers of 2 people from NBC Universal printed on the front, and a "dear person who could potentially greenlight this show" letter printed on the inside cover. It's a pretty random item and for some reason I felt compelled to pay $.99 for it. I'd call the NBC people for a laugh but I don't have anything remotely funny or interesting to say 
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The best relics of the old Scifi channel are Warehouse 13 and Eureka.
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Delivery McGee posted:Stopped by a Goodwill today, saw a VCR head cleaner cartridge. That in itself is pretty obsolete. Sony manufactured Beta tapes until 2015, Betamax mind you not the professional grade BetaCAM. I think they stopped putting out the VCRs in 2002.
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