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esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




They're all bottoms!

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Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene
Shea is teaming up with noted homophobe Azaelia Banks for a song. How disappointing.

big black turnout
Jan 13, 2009



Fallen Rib

Trig Discipline posted:

It's definitely a bizarre juxtaposition of cultures, but I can understand it. Drag Race is a lot more open about dealing with self-doubt and developing and defending a positive self-image than pretty much anything else in popular culture, and those issues are basically the defining crises of teenagerdom. And adulthood for that matter, but they're more acute when you hit them for the first time. So I guess from the teen fans' point of view it's a very positive thing.

As for how that audience is going to change drag...yeah that could be a disaster. "Cleaning up" drag for a younger audience is a loving terrible idea, and you absolutely know that that's going to be in the pipeline soon if it isn't already.

As someone who is probably perceived as part of the problem with the audience (I've always self identified as bi but I married a woman and we now have a baby on the way so I'll be forever considered straight by the world I'm sure), I always feel a little conflicted about complaining about the show's mainstreaming, buuuut... We started watching during season 2 and the show has felt so god damned bland for a while now. I fell in love with queens early on like Nina Flores and Ongina, then Sharon gave me loving LIFE, and led to my love affair with Alaska. And along the way there were weird-rear end queens like Tammie Brown who didn't even acknowledge the existence of a box, much less fit in it. Now everything feels so same-y and watered down and I fear we won't ever get another queen on those levels. It's taken the show from a must watch for me to a "oh yeah rpdr aired the other day" level and it makes me loving sad. Even the lip synchs feel boilerplate these days.

I dunno that's my fourth of July rpdr ramble.

big dyke energy
Jul 29, 2006

Football? Yaaaay

Ubiquitous_ posted:

Shea is teaming up with noted homophobe Azaelia Banks for a song. How disappointing.

Noted chicken killer, Azaelia Banks.

Nobby
Sep 10, 2006

Everyone cries when they're stabbed. There's no shame in that.
Noted ruiner of Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve and Talents, Azaelia Banks.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Please explain to this old out-of-the loop queer: what did Banks do that was homophobic? Is she running her mouth and showing her rear end by not knowing wtf she's talking about or is she explicitly being a homophobe and denying what LGBTQ folks experience?

vvv thanks for the links and ugh what is Shea *doing*

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jul 6, 2017

Hug in a Can
Aug 1, 2010

NICE FLAMINGO
kind heart
fierce mind
brave spirit

:h: be good and try hard! :h:

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Please explain to this old out-of-the loop queer: what did Banks do that was homophobic? Is she running her mouth and showing her rear end by not knowing wtf she's talking about or is she explicitly being a homophobe and denying what LGBTQ folks experience?

"Azealia Banks & Perez Hilton: Twitter Feud With Angel Haze Goes Too Far"
"Azealia Banks Lashes Out at Zayn Malik in Foul Racist Twitter Rant"
"Azealia Banks Has Finally Been Suspended From Twitter"
"Azealia Banks Says She’s Been Sacrificing Chickens in Her Closet

Hug in a Can
Aug 1, 2010

NICE FLAMINGO
kind heart
fierce mind
brave spirit

:h: be good and try hard! :h:

hope the track is 🔥🔥🔥 though 👀

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

Please explain to this old out-of-the loop queer: what did Banks do that was homophobic? Is she running her mouth and showing her rear end by not knowing wtf she's talking about or is she explicitly being a homophobe and denying what LGBTQ folks experience?

vvv thanks for the links and ugh what is Shea *doing*

She's bisexual when it's convenient for the press and routinely drops gay slurs practically nonstop on her Twitter feed, and doesn't really care if anyone calls her out on it. Shea Coulee HERSELF dismissed this lady two years ago on her own Twitter.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Wasn't it AB who showed up with RZA at a party Russell Crowe was throwing, acted such a goddamn fool and got violent to the point he had to pick her up and physically remove her? Like threatening to cut some girl's face with glass. Then she turns around and claims a bunch of crazy racist poo poo Crowe supposedly called her before 'assaulting' her, then everyone at the party was like 'nah that lying bitch is crazy'?

Like drat girl don't embarrass RZA like that.



e: maybe she's gotten better recently, probably not. I can't blame Shea for collabing with her, though. A track with Banks (as d list as she's becoming) could really help her push thru the mainstream.

Dear Prudence
Sep 3, 2012

Wow that's super bad. Respect for Shea taking a huge hit.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!
There are a ton of crazy stories with her like that. I think a few months ago it got in the news when she was thrown off a flight for acting similarly crazy.

She is also always calling gay men f*****s, claiming she hates gay men. She says she's allowed to say it because she is bisexual.

She is awful, and I've lost a ton of respect for Shea for collaborating with her.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
Didn't she also say some p. racist poo poo as well or is that some other Aus/NZ pop star (Dannii Minogue(?))

Nostalgia4Infinity fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Jul 6, 2017

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Didn't she also say some p. racist poo poo as well

She did. Some of it is in the links above.

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Didn't she also say some p. racist poo poo as well or is that some other Aus/NZ pop star (Dannii Minogue(?))

you might be confusing azaelia banks the african-american rapper with the equally-awful iggy azalea, an exported australian catastrophe. iggy talked a bunch of nonsense about rap and african-american history on twitter

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.



The AAA album has dropped.

There's a parody of the Duck Tales theme song.

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

https://twitter.com/sheacoulee/status/883464999850717187

"I'm not hurting anyone. If u don't like my decisions. You can unfollow, unsubscribe, block, and keep it moving..."

Posted 20-ish minutes ago. Feh.

Watrick
Mar 15, 2007

C:enter:###
Any word on a Dragula season 2? I'm rewatching the first season and I really hope there is another.

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob
This whole Shea thing is white mediocrity beating black excellence and it's annoying.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING
i don't keep up with the off-season drama, why are people turning on sasha? it is "my fave didn't win, the winner is a hitler" mentality?

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef

angerbeet posted:

This whole Shea thing is white mediocrity beating black excellence and it's annoying.

Elaborate.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die

angerbeet posted:

This whole Shea thing is white mediocrity beating black excellence and it's annoying.

P sure its sadness at watching an utterly fantastic performer tie themself to a trainwreck. People would be complaining just as much if Sasha or Valentina announced an exciting collab with Ted Nugent

Edit: thats not to say there aint race issues in drag / RPDR, there 100% are. Actually re-reading the posts on her insta and so on you might be right :[

tote up a bags fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jul 8, 2017

Hug in a Can
Aug 1, 2010

NICE FLAMINGO
kind heart
fierce mind
brave spirit

:h: be good and try hard! :h:

Here's Aja lip syncing to AB's "Liquorice", which she also references in her C.L.A.T. verse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNxPw6hSqv8

very cool imo!

e: And her performance of Greedy! This one is crazy-good! Ahh!! I love this, it makes me feel things :3:

Hug in a Can fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jul 8, 2017

Sarcopenia
May 14, 2014


I think this might be a reference to Banks making up conspiracies about Bill Cosby's rape charges. She's a piece of racist, rapeapologist, trans and homophobic poo poo.

She's bi when it suits her so she can throw around gay slurs. Very proud of her blackness and is anti racist but bleaches the gently caress out of her skin (that is complicated though) and has no problem purepotrating racism when she needs to hurt someone. and I think she said something about only wanting to date white men?
She played at a pride event and was supposedly humbled by the experience until she wasn't and started throwing around f words and t words again. There's is something legit wrong with her.

It saddens me because I really liked her whole thing. I digged her music (I did not listen closely enough to the lyrics for 212 and missed how utterly homophobic it was, and it makes me feel like an idiot) and was happy to see a dark skinned black woman, with no rear end being all confident and sexy in the rap game. She was about to be a star and hosed it all up.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

i don't keep up with the off-season drama, why are people turning on sasha? it is "my fave didn't win, the winner is a hitler" mentality?

A lot of people (myself included) didn't like her in the first place.

But for the most part it's angry Shea fans, and people who don't like the new format making challenge wins matter less.

Weed Wolf
Jul 30, 2004
To be fair, queens love hanging out with Jeffree Star and he's a transphobic piece of poo poo, so this isn't anything new

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!
Still? I thought he got raked through the coals last year for being an insufferable piece of human garbage.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Nope, queens still do all sorts of work with him but never get called out or w/e for it. Which ... I don't want to go too deep in on this because it's a nuanced subject, for sure, but the RPDR fan base in general tends to let white queens get away with a lot more 'problematic' poo poo than black ones. I mean just look at Sharon Needles. She did and said a lot of horrible poo poo before getting her act together, but even back when she was calling fans the n word/etc people still didn't drag her as hard as they're dragging Shea for simply recording a track with AB.

fwiw on the AB thing, I don't get the hate on Shea about this, period. Banks seems to be trying to do better now. Yeah she's been a piece of poo poo, but according to Shea they've spoken and Shea does believe she's trying to do good and be better. In the end that's all that really matters.

Shea's called her out for being an idiot douche before, and I'm sure she will again if Banks backslides into her old behaviour in the future.

Even if Banks was still being a psycho, I still wouldn't agree with all the attacks Shea has been getting over the collab. Like just don't listen to the song. It's not like Shea shares the same lovely views. If she starts to, then go ahead and be angry.

dino.
Mar 28, 2010

Yip Yip, bitch.

Trig Discipline posted:

Did we already have this Vox article about teenage fans of Drag Race in here? It's pretty good.

Honestly, every time I find myself being dismissive of the younger fans, I recall this sketch from Margaret Cho, where she recalls the queer representation on television and film. "We had Waylan Flowers and Madam."

Found it:

http://eventbeat.org/margaret-cho-on-gay-males-vs-straight-males-english-subtitles/

It's so true. She's talked about having yourself represented in popular media (or any media, for that matter) as an important cultural thing. I agree completely. Seeing someone that you identify with is awesome. There's been people from all walks of life, all economic statuses, every colour in the crayon box (that Ru wishes his dad painted with), and various degrees of self-doubt showing up. Knowing that there's someone out there who /gets/ you on that deep and personal level, and having [relatively] easy access to their inbox to let them know how much their work inspires you is awesome. I would have killed to have the chance to be exposed to drag at an early age, and have my parents be supportive of it. At that age (16~ish?), all the stuff where gay people were shown was decidedly adult, and my parents wouldn't let me watch because of the actual sex on the screen (Queer as Folk). Yes, the queens talk about sex (frequently), but you don't see a lot of them getting down and freaky on the show itself. (Their early porn tapes notwithstanding, but that's not actually on the show.)

I stop and think of what a poo poo I was at that age, and remember what a messy bitch I was myself. Let them get their life, I say.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I have no problem with teenage fans.

Straight teenage girls who watch the show and write fanfic about Trixie and Katya, Pearl and Violet or Shea and Sasha, though?

They can gently caress right off.

drowned in pussy juice
Oct 13, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

esperterra posted:

I have no problem with teenage fans.

Straight teenage girls who watch the show and write fanfic about Trixie and Katya, Pearl and Violet or Shea and Sasha, though?

They can gently caress right off.

do NOT tell me if unnnnnnngh is a fantasy constructed entirely inside my own head

Weed Wolf
Jul 30, 2004

esperterra posted:

I have no problem with teenage fans.

Straight teenage girls who watch the show and write fanfic about Trixie and Katya, Pearl and Violet or Shea and Sasha, though?

They can gently caress right off.

The Twitter accounts where they pretend to be their favorite drag queens are also surreal as h*ck

ALFbrot
Apr 17, 2002

Weed Wolf posted:

The Twitter accounts where they pretend to be their favorite drag queens are also surreal as h*ck

I'm gonna need an example link on this

Andrew_1985
Sep 18, 2007
Hay hay hay!
I'm doing supply teaching in inner London and was asking a heap of 13/14yo kids at a Catholic school what their favourite shows were as part of introductions. At the end, a really awkward and sad looking girl said her favourite show was Drag Race.

When I praised the show she instantly perked up while the rest of the girls were brats 'Why you even like cars?? It's not like you own a car.'

It was a nice moment and really brought that Variety? article a few posts back into focus.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




I think people of every age and orientation should be allowed to appreciate drag.

I get a little old fashioned about super young kids watching full episodes of RPDR, like show them some LSFYL sure. Pre teens and teens watching the show is great, to me. I mean it's censored depending how you're watching it, anyway. But honestly my friends and I were watching way more inappropriate shows and movies at that age, Drag Race is nbd. In fact I would argue it is a good thing for those lonely teens who feel like outcasts. Provided they don't start writing fanfic or shipping queens obsessively. I would have loved to have a show like this when I was that age.

My issue with Drag Race going 'mainstream', or teens/etc watching it isn't the exposure it gets-- this show deserves to be huge amongst a diverse range of people. My issue is the way the show has changed because of it. It's been happening for a while, and some of it is production changes, or the way social media has changed how queens want to be perceived, but the biggest part is how not gay the show feels compared to earlier seasons.

This show is gay af, but it used to be much more camp, much more shameless about it. A parody of reality competitions, with weird gay-rear end mini challenges where the Pit Crew is around as sexy man body for all you menses to ogle. Ru wandering round the werk room more often, gaying it up and being shady with the girls.

I don't blame this entirely on mainstreaming, or straight or young people watching the show. It could be a more internal problem with WoW's current production staff, for all I know.

But! With the show somehow gaining more viewers every year, despite being like ten years old, and with the next season being the first actual season filmed while now on VH1, I'm curious and lowkey worried that it's going to be an even more sanitized version than the already different one we've had for a few years now.


fake edit: i'm high and forgot to mention I do take issue with having a super young audience at something like Drag Con. Like little kids wandering around the lube kiosks and porn related poo poo and actors etc, super weird.

also weird: taking your kid to a gay bar in the middle of the night and waiting round outside for the show to end so y'all can meet a queen.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

esperterra posted:

I think people of every age and orientation should be allowed to appreciate drag.

I get a little old fashioned about super young kids watching full episodes of RPDR, like show them some LSFYL sure. Pre teens and teens watching the show is great, to me. I mean it's censored depending how you're watching it, anyway. But honestly my friends and I were watching way more inappropriate shows and movies at that age, Drag Race is nbd. In fact I would argue it is a good thing for those lonely teens who feel like outcasts. Provided they don't start writing fanfic or shipping queens obsessively. I would have loved to have a show like this when I was that age.

My issue with Drag Race going 'mainstream', or teens/etc watching it isn't the exposure it gets-- this show deserves to be huge amongst a diverse range of people. My issue is the way the show has changed because of it. It's been happening for a while, and some of it is production changes, or the way social media has changed how queens want to be perceived, but the biggest part is how not gay the show feels compared to earlier seasons.

This show is gay af, but it used to be much more camp, much more shameless about it. A parody of reality competitions, with weird gay-rear end mini challenges where the Pit Crew is around as sexy man body for all you menses to ogle. Ru wandering round the werk room more often, gaying it up and being shady with the girls.

I don't blame this entirely on mainstreaming, or straight or young people watching the show. It could be a more internal problem with WoW's current production staff, for all I know.

But! With the show somehow gaining more viewers every year, despite being like ten years old, and with the next season being the first actual season filmed while now on VH1, I'm curious and lowkey worried that it's going to be an even more sanitized version than the already different one we've had for a few years now.


fake edit: i'm high and forgot to mention I do take issue with having a super young audience at something like Drag Con. Like little kids wandering around the lube kiosks and porn related poo poo and actors etc, super weird.

also weird: taking your kid to a gay bar in the middle of the night and waiting round outside for the show to end so y'all can meet a queen.

I felt bad but it kinda weirded me out how many parents took their kids to Pride this year. Not the parade which is sorta PG but the actual street festival part where people walk around naked. I just kept thinking about that "it's too late Mother, I've seen everything." comic.

I guess its not fair to just ban anybody with kids but its like the one day a year you're definitely gonna see a dong if u walk down that road but it doesnt stop parents from impotently trying to ferry their kids glances away from the questionable stuff.

angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob
Our local Pride had the stupid compromise of "this is a family friendly event, so please dress accordingly, whatever you may think that means"

Just set up a kid's area with like, Drag Queen story time and facepainting and what not.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

SHINee's back




Yeah, it's weird. Like I love the idea of kids celebrating LGBT events with their parents, but surely there are more appropriate venues? If there aren't, maybe there should be. The parades are always good, and there are some drag events/etc held during the day a lot of the time. But I can't think of much else I would feel appropriate taking small children to.

Like I'm from Canada and we're pretty lax about nudity and sex here. Like my parents never cared about me seeing it in movies, unless it was like a raunchy sex comedy or something, or overly violent. But there's still an appropriate age cutoff imho. If your pre teen sees a naked body, whatever. But kids in the single digits idk maybe wait.

Nihonniboku
Aug 11, 2004

YOU CAN FLY!!!

bring back old gbs posted:

I felt bad but it kinda weirded me out how many parents took their kids to Pride this year. Not the parade which is sorta PG but the actual street festival part where people walk around naked. I just kept thinking about that "it's too late Mother, I've seen everything." comic.

I guess its not fair to just ban anybody with kids but its like the one day a year you're definitely gonna see a dong if u walk down that road but it doesnt stop parents from impotently trying to ferry their kids glances away from the questionable stuff.

What Pride is this? I've been to plenty of Prides, and have never seen anyone walking around naked, at the Parade or the Festival.

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angerbot
Mar 23, 2004

plob
I saw a bunch of dudes walking around nude at Toronto this year. Plenty of tits out as well.

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