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I don't think I would call any of them 'freaking great'. And no I think the first one is actually really bad, watching it again it's so loving wooden and Megan Fox is atrocious. Zebulon posted:Oh my god I just got around to reading Salvation. Trypticon at the end is the best. On the other hand the ending was a giant eyeroll.
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Zebulon posted:Oh my god I just got around to reading Salvation. Trypticon at the end is the best. Yeah IDW Trypticon is awesome kinda annoying that they killed off one of the Dinobots for no real reason, but pointless deaths are a problem embarrassingly common in the franchise
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There has never been a Transformers comics continuity - or a large comics continuity in general - without deaths that are hard to keep track of and sometimes randomly undone.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:There has never been a Transformers comics continuity - or a large comics continuity in general - without deaths that are hard to keep track of and sometimes randomly undone. Even Transformers vs GI Joe is guilty of this a little
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bob https://twitter.com/spriteling113/status/885045882974031872
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I mean they had the tlk voyager megs KOOS before it was officially available right
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Zebulon posted:Oh my god I just got around to reading Salvation. Trypticon at the end is the best.  ending.
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Xenomrph posted:Yeah but that doesn't mean he doesn't give a poo poo, or he just does things "just cuz". None of the Transformers movies have felt in any way "phoned in" from a directorial standpoint, to me. You look at any of the behind the scenes materials or interviews about Bay on the set, and he's right there with the actors giving them instructions, framing shots, etc. it's not like he's just sitting in the director's chair all day and letting the second unit director do all the work while he just reviews the dailies and lets it all get fixed in post. Frankly you just have really low standards for what a movie can be if you believe all this. That's cool and all, you do you, but Bay is a terrible director outside of slam-bang in-camera action direction, which to be fair is unique to him at this point in an industry of greenscreen and "fix it in post" philosophies. Some would argue he ruins those action sequences in the edit bay, but I've never found his editing preferences to be all that jarring in terms of following the action. But when it comes to literally anything else - story, plotting, pacing, theme, character, dialogue, tone, humor, really anything - he's one of the worst working today in the AAA tentpole space, and he's gotten worse in the last ten years as he's realized these movies don't actually have to make sense or be any good as long as stuff blowed up real good (although TLK's box office indicates people have finally wised up, even internationally). At this point he's essentially Zack Snyder without a fear of going outside. I respect Bay's ability to shepherd a massive army of cast and crew to do large scale action in a way most directors simply do not bother to do anymore, but that doesn't make him a good director on its own, and his shortcomings far outweigh his strengths in that regard because an action sequence you don't care about isn't good for anything except getting the stunt coordinators their next gig. People use that "emotional and visual spectacle" line, or the more common "turn your brain off and have fun" routine all the time with these movies, and I don't see where that comes from. I'll give you visual spectacle, but these movies have no emotion to them. They have huge stretches where nothing whatsoever happens. They're stone dead boring outside of the 15-20 minutes of actual action that happens, and about half of that tends to be brainless cannon fodder combat that's about as engaging as watching someone speedrun a Call of Duty level. I like a lot of movies that are silly and stupid but tons of fun. None of Bay's films, TF or not, are that. They're bloated, plodding, self-important nonsense that is occasionally impressive on a technical level. And is anyone really buying the "G1 was lovely, too" bit at this point? Shouldn't a $200 million motion picture be held to a slightly higher standard than a 30 year old toy commercial, regardless of how much we may have loved that toy commercial in our formative years? I would have thought Beast Wars would have taught us that lesson long before Michael Bay came along to ignore it for a decade.
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My MPP10 showed up today and HOLY poo poo that's a good toy. Definitely a worthy centerpiece to a collection.
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:My MPP10 showed up today and HOLY poo poo that's a good toy. Definitely a worthy centerpiece to a collection. It's too big.
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DoctorWhat posted:It's too big. NEVER HAHAHAHAHAHA
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DoctorWhat posted:It's too big. It's getting its own shelf area with the oversized Megatron that's coming out, it's perfect.
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They should make a KOOS Triggerhappy that's so big that you can fit actual Triggerhappy in the cockpit.
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DoctorWhat posted:It's too big. You're too small.
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Captain Invictus posted:You're too small. Lol, i wasn't gonna go there...
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I'm not interested in being juked into buying into a KO-only upscale in my fairly cramped NYC apartment, especially when sufficiently-large Decepticons are as rare as they are. edit: oh fun, dick jokes!
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In the end, it's always about dick jokes. We're gonna buy a house in April or May and I'm going to have an entire ROOM for Toys.
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Rhyno posted:In the end, it's always about dick jokes. We're moving into a 4 bedroom apt in October and I get my own room for comics and Transformers too!!!!
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i just put up shelves (which overflow into the entire living space). Devastator lives next to the living room TV and my MPs tend to end up on a little lip where the plaster wall ends and the nice brooklyn brick wall begins.
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Rhyno posted:In the end, it's always about dick jokes. Also unless they confirm cross play pattern between KOOSHMs they don't belong on your shelf. I am interested in that voyager Megs though, but the thread on the subject was nigh unreadable.
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm not interested in being juked into buying into a KO-only upscale in my fairly cramped NYC apartment, especially when sufficiently-large Decepticons are as rare as they are. It actually wasn't a dick joke. Some of us are just bigger than the small folks in society, and need big toys for big boys. 
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pubic works project posted:We're moving into a 4 bedroom apt in October and I get my own room for comics and Transformers too!!!! Here's a sample of what we're looking at. If we didn't have the wedding to pay for first we'd probably toss an offer in on this one tomorrow. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6611-Winchester-Rd-Fort-Wayne-IN-46819/73191469_zpid/
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Captain Invictus posted:It actually wasn't a dick joke. Some of us are just bigger than the small folks in society, and need big toys for big boys. I'm fine with big toys when it matters - combiners and titans and the leaders - but the toys represent characters that talk and fight and hang out with each other and that is best served by restraint.
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IT'S CALLED MASS SHIFTING
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Mass-shifting makes so little dramatic sense. Why wouldn't Megatron be 300 feet tall ALL THE TIME?
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DoctorWhat posted:Mass-shifting makes so little dramatic sense. Why wouldn't Megatron be 300 feet tall ALL THE TIME? Because it guzzles energon, DUH.
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Also for being a sneaky infiltrating duder. Like the Insecticons.
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Rhyno posted:Because it guzzles energon, DUH. Lawyered!!!
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm fine with big toys when it matters - combiners and titans and the leaders - but the toys represent characters that talk and fight and hang out with each other and that is best served by restraint.
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Well Cap, you've never exercised restraint in your entire posting career so that doesn't surprise me.
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Keldroc posted:Frankly you just have really low standards for what a movie can be if you believe all this. That's cool and all, you do you, but Bay is a terrible director outside of slam-bang in-camera action direction, which to be fair is unique to him at this point in an industry of greenscreen and "fix it in post" philosophies. Some would argue he ruins those action sequences in the edit bay, but I've never found his editing preferences to be all that jarring in terms of following the action. But when it comes to literally anything else - story, plotting, pacing, theme, character, dialogue, tone, humor, really anything - he's one of the worst working today in the AAA tentpole space, and he's gotten worse in the last ten years as he's realized these movies don't actually have to make sense or be any good as long as stuff blowed up real good (although TLK's box office indicates people have finally wised up, even internationally). At this point he's essentially Zack Snyder without a fear of going outside. I respect Bay's ability to shepherd a massive army of cast and crew to do large scale action in a way most directors simply do not bother to do anymore, but that doesn't make him a good director on its own, and his shortcomings far outweigh his strengths in that regard because an action sequence you don't care about isn't good for anything except getting the stunt coordinators their next gig. I'm not saying Bay's TF movies are the pinnacle of cinema, or that they're the best possible TF movies we could hope for, but I see it as a pretty bizarre dissonance when people claim that Bay is just cashing a paycheck or that he doesn't know exactly what he's doing, or that he doesn't know about or care about "the source material". I also definitely disagree that the Bay movies are lacking in "theme"; heck, there's a whole thread in CineD devoted to debunking that. Yes the Transformers movies get a bad wrap for having serious issues compared to even other summer action blockbusters, but I maintain that the series as a whole has a lot of neat ideas contained in it. The evolution of the relationship between the Transformers and humanity is really neat and makes a lot of sense (and AOE in particular juggles three very different antagonists, each with their own motivations), the downward spiral of Optimus' relationship with the humans is pretty well realized, and the series really effectively sells the premise that anything could secretly be a robot (hostile or otherwise), and Bay's directing is really good at blending practical destruction like flipping cars, debris, etc with giant CGI robots, which goes a long way towards selling the illusion that they're "real". poo poo, even TLK had a lot of neat ideas bouncing around in it - the movie reveals that humans are literally living on Transformer Hell - Unicron. Cade and the Autobots are the "good guys" only because we, the audience, are humans and are steered towards rooting for them because Earth might literally be Hell, but it's OUR Hell, drat it. Megatron isn't evil just to be evil, he (and Quintessa) are being pragmatic in the face of an enormous threat. And Earth being Unicron is one hell of an existential threat (even if the Prime cartoon did it first), and totally upends the recurring claim made by humans throughout the first 4 movies that "this is OUR planet". I also totally get the complaints that the movies focus on the humans too much and that the robots (especially the Decepticons) don't get enough characterization. I largely agree, and would certainly love to see, say, a live action adaptation of MTMTE that had no humans in sight, but I'm also not really bothered with the direction the Bay movies have taken. The G1 cartoon and comics focused on the robots because the toys were the focus, and while MTMTE certainly demonstrates that viable storytelling can come from that route, I do think that showing humanity's reaction to an alien infiltration in plain sight is an interesting angle to take.
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DoctorWhat posted:Well Cap, you've never exercised restraint in your entire posting career so that doesn't surprise me. 
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Those are both kettles.
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my response to any Michael Bay argument: Bad Boys 2 Ride together, die together. 'nuff said.
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DoctorWhat posted:Those are both kettles.
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Maybe if you'd posted seven petabytes of Pot-and-Kettle fanart I'd be better able to tell the difference.
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TheDK posted:my response to any Michael Bay argument: Bad Boys 2 the Rock.
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DoctorWhat posted:Maybe if you'd posted seven petabytes of Pot-and-Kettle fanart I'd be better able to tell the difference.
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