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Feels Villeneuve posted:isn't Financial Fair Play more about making sure owners don't spend wildly and make clubs insolvent, than about parity Ultimately, yeah, but I don't think you'll ever see any league or club admit that.
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Gigi Galli posted:When you say FIFA do you mean the international tournaments? This isn't anything that can really be enforced. Talented players come from bigger nations with a bigger history in the sport itself and those nations produce enough of those players to win tournaments. These nations have the biggest leagues and the biggest youth systems as well. Players don't get paid to play for the national team in the traditional sense and there isn't a league, there's just the world cup, the euros, the copa america, etc. T Ah, my mistake. Yes, I was thinking UEFA. Was hunting for the umbrella to cover La Liga, Premier League, Ligue 1 and Serie A and I went too wide. I guess Bundesliga is also an annual a 1 team competition now?
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"Financial Fair Play" is like how Republicans call the "you can dump poo poo into the water now" bill the "Clean Stream for America Act"
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EvanTH posted:Ah, my mistake. Yes, I was thinking UEFA. Was hunting for the umbrella to cover La Liga, Premier League, Ligue 1 and Serie A and I went too wide. Has been for a bout 5 years now I think ElwoodCuse posted:"Financial Fair Play" is like how Republicans call the "you can dump poo poo into the water now" bill the "Clean Stream for America Act" I prefer to think of it like "Citizens United" but yes.
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Rotten Cookies posted:I would say that absolute parity is a bad thing. Absolute parity being that every team has a 50/50 shot at winning any game, and that every team has an equal shot at winning the championship in any given year. That would suck. This is a really good post. The dream that your team is only 5 years out is a good way to keep fans motivated and interested. Also, you need powerhouse teams to give the other teams something to shoot at. If everything cycles too much then it's a big coinflip. A few teams percolating near the top, but being beaten by the scrappy underdogs du jour every couple of seasons is exciting because your team is so close to being that team.
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Yeah I'm not a big fan of super-parity but Bayern Munich responding to challengers by buying all their competitors' best players eventually got ridiculous.
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marioinblack posted:Really the goal should be to make market size not matter, but players are human beings and human beings in their prime years enjoy places like LA. So nuke LA. Let me get this straight. Fifteen million people deserve to be murdered horribly. The world deserves to be driven to the brink of global war. Human rights deserve to be flushed down the toilet even harder than usual. All so whatever team your sad rear end watches play a kid's game stand a half-percent chance of drawing in journeymen. Not even all-stars. What is wrong with you?!
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Jul 12, 2017 03:25
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dont be mean to me posted:Let me get this straight. lmao
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Jul 12, 2017 03:49
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when Keeping it Real goes wrong
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dont be mean to me posted:Let me get this straight. Yes
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dont be mean to me posted:Let me get this straight. If it means the end of the red sox, bruins and patriots then yes. quote:What is wrong with you?! I'm a sports fan.
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My personal favorites are the "Citizens For Fire Safety" that was a lobbying front for asbestos manufacturers, and the American Petroleum Institute sounding bizarrely open in its naming scheme to distract from the massive amount of foreign cash it takes in.dont be mean to me posted:Let me get this straight. Well at first I thought it was just a lil joke but when you put it that way, I'm all aboard. Let's Nuke LA! Also how does the USA nuking itself precipitate global war
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Yeah I'm not a big fan of super-parity but Bayern Munich responding to challengers by buying all their competitors' best players eventually got ridiculous. Those teams should have paid their best players enough to stick around. Free market, baby!
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Everyone talks about salary caps but I think league revenue sharing is more important. In the NFL, a lot of revenues are shared, but teams still get to keep the money they make on certain things, so that overall about 60% of total NFL revenues are shared. Some of the sharing arrangements are blatantly stupid: for example, ticket and merchandise revenues are shared, except for Dallas who gets to keep theirs and doesn't share the others', for some loving reason. The big difference between the NFL and the other major leagues is that NFL teams share their media revenues; money from advertising during games on TV and radio, mostly, plus usually the ticket sales. In most cases across all the sports, the teams keep their own licensing fees from stuff like stadium sponsorships. This article spells out more of the details. Basically though, the big difference is that there's a strong incentive in all sports to have your team be located in a very large media market, and the revenue sharing arrangements typically have to try to address that to prevent the teams in tiny markets from always being at an enormous money disadvantage. I tend to think that if all the teams have something close to the same amounts of money to spend, then salary caps would be unnecessary. It's actually in the players' best interests to be able to earn more if they're better, which a cap restricts... but if you have (say) 32 teams, but the bottom 10 teams in terms of money could never afford any of the top 32 star players, that's where you have an "unfairness" inherent in the system. As others have said, this matters more in sports where a single star player can make the difference between a playoff run and perennial mediocrity, and less in sports where you have large rosters that rotate in and out of play for over a hundred games a season. Even so, there's also a good argument that guaranteed profits reduce the incentive for team owners to drive hard for championships. I'd say you need to arrange things so that owners get a lot more money when their teams make playoff runs... and that is the case I believe in all of the leagues, where getting into the playoffs means more (and much more lucrative) media and sponsorship revenues, playoff ticket sales, etc. But I don't offhand know how significant that is, and if you're a multi-billionaire owner, maybe you don't give a poo poo about an extra ten million dollars (or whatever) you personally get for a successful championship. e. I think you also shouldn't ignore the money spent on coaching and management. If your team has a tiny budget, it can't afford to attract the best coaches and managers, which translates to poor player acquisition, poor star player retention, and of course, poor game performance. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Jul 12, 2017 18:47
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Soccer has performance-based revenue sharing in England, Germany, and Italy
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EvanTH posted:Well at first I thought it was just a lil joke but when you put it that way, I'm all aboard. Let's Nuke LA! Then you want me to die. Probably several other SAS posters and a bunch of other Forums-posters, but you want me to die to my face. dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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dont be mean to me posted:Then you want me to die. Calm down OP
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Jul 13, 2017 00:08
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dont be mean to me posted:Then you want me to die. I do op
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The Cowboys keep all their merch money because they opted out of the sharing agreement. Same thing as how Jordan and Bonds opted out of their PA's marketing agreements.
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Phobeste posted:Picture of a big poo poo gently caress you. gently caress Boston.
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Max Mosley was a loving idiot and almost killed formula 1 with his dumbass ideas. Im glad that President Montezemolo of Scuderia Ferrari with the help of the other teams saved the sport.
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ilmucche posted:gently caress you. gently caress Boston. Don't be upset buddy rolls dice Tampa can still be an ok place to live even if they don't win at sports very often
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Mods please rename the thread to "Should all Angelenos Be Brutally Firebombed To Death? A Serious Discussion"
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Mods please rename the thread to "Should all Angelenos Be Brutally Firebombed To Death? A Serious Discussion"
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Mods please rename the thread to "Should all Angelenos Be Brutally Firebombed To Death? A Serious Discussion" Why is this even a discussion?
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dont be mean to me posted:Then you want me to die. I want you to die. In a ball of fire.
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now now this is a parity thread, nuke the entire planet
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wait, no, parity, poo poo, nuke all of the US in order of reverse standings by the local NBA team
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Craig K posted:wait, no, parity, poo poo, nuke all of the US in order of reverse standings by the local NBA team I thought the consensus was LA first, not Philly. Unless we're talking historic, in which case, well the Clippers.
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iospace posted:I thought the consensus was LA first, not Philly. You mean Brooklyn?
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Intruder posted:You mean Brooklyn? Same difference in that it's not LA going down first.
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Craig K posted:wait, no, parity, poo poo, nuke all of the US in order of reverse standings by the local NBA team Um this either makes the Raptors #1 or drives the United States of America and Canada to the BRINK OF GLOBAL WAR so it's unacceptable to me Intruder posted:You mean Brooklyn? Gonna be a huge nuke timesaver this coming year because the Knicks and the Nets are looking ready to be #29 and #30
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EvanTH posted:Gonna be a huge nuke timesaver this coming year because the Knicks and the Nets are looking ready to be #29 and #30 An interesting new take on revenue sharing
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I only really follow international football, not club, but I thought the whole point of Financial Fair Play was more to prevent another Manchester City from happening (ludicrously rich new owner splurges ungodly amounts of money to propel them into title contention and disrupting the big 4) rather than to encourage parity.
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Doctor Teeth posted:I only really follow international football, not club, but I thought the whole point of Financial Fair Play was more to prevent another Manchester City from happening (ludicrously rich new owner splurges ungodly amounts of money to propel them into title contention and disrupting the big 4) rather than to encourage parity. There is no such thing as international football unless we graciously deign to spread the light of the NFL to lesser nations as sort of a peripheral reward in addition to keeping the world safe and secure for the commerce that ensures your way of life
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Rotten Cookies posted:An interesting new take on revenue sharing Idea: instead of relegation, once a year we take the worst team in the league and allow them to nuke LA
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Doctor Teeth posted:I only really follow international football, not club, but I thought the whole point of Financial Fair Play was more to prevent another Manchester City from happening (ludicrously rich new owner splurges ungodly amounts of money to propel them into title contention and disrupting the big 4) rather than to encourage parity. Well that's kind of happening in Germany with the extremely fake RB Leipzig team so it's not doing a very good job of that.
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Doctor Teeth posted:I only really follow international football, not club, but I thought the whole point of Financial Fair Play was more to prevent another Manchester City from happening (ludicrously rich new owner splurges ungodly amounts of money to propel them into title contention and disrupting the big 4) rather than to encourage parity. It was in response to that, but the idea presented to UEFA was to prevent things like Parma happening, where a bunch of non-existent or criminally based money is used to propel the team to the top of the league and then bankrupt them 2 years later when the government and lending agencies catch up to what's going on. As a side effect of that, it's supposed to allow for smaller teams to catch up, but we all know that smaller teams don't generate nearly as much money from sponsorships and advertisements and whatnot, so it's sort of a losing fight. You're not going to see Huddersfield or Crotone sign an official Japanese house paint supplier or some poo poo.
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