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if we assume pera is saying the truth, their wincon is literally "survive until all other 3p are dead and reign as the 3p god". how is that even able to swing to the scumteam? pera's playing their own mini mafia game, I don't see what's the problem?
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Jedit posted:Or you're the Poisoner. No that isn't true, arsonist can douse people multiple nights and then eventually set them on fire. At least it has been that way times I have seen it
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Jul 15, 2017 00:49
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PMush Perfect posted:
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Jul 15, 2017 00:49
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Hal Incandenza posted:It's still possible pera is lying, even if some of what she is saying is true. What if she is part of a team with all those powers and is just trying to take credit for it? What is she is a one-person team who can use multiple powers every night? I know, that's why I find it so strange that Somber basically said that they don't care whether pera is lying or not, they should get lynched regardless. I mean, if you think pera is lying, you're not just going to say "idc this game is doomed too many night kills". if they believed pera is lying, the logical statement to make is "pera is probably lying scum, let's kill them."
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Jul 15, 2017 00:52
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Somberbrero posted:fl the key word is third party. not town! can't trust that they are telling the whole truth. i get that, trust me, i do it just doesn't strike me as good sense to dismiss it out of hand by voting her out like your vote implies especially if there's a potential upside
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Jul 15, 2017 00:53
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Hal Incandenza posted:No that isn't true, arsonist can douse people multiple nights and then eventually set them on fire. At least it has been that way times I have seen it not to be a bother, but i don't think your statement and jedit's are mutually exclusive - i think he's saying that a douse is a nightkill that just doesn't go off until the arsonist wants it to, which would equate to the more targets doused, the more likely the kills are to go off (doctor can't target everyone)
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Jul 15, 2017 00:55
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yah let's just let this question linger another day great.
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Jul 15, 2017 00:56
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Flying Leatherman posted:i don't see it; how is a 3p murdering the people that are trying to kill us bad People in the US not engaged in the pera insanity.
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Jul 15, 2017 00:59
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If pera is telling the truth she's still an unaligned 3P so not a bad kill for D2
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Jul 15, 2017 00:59
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Retro Futurist posted:If pera is telling the truth she's still an unaligned 3P so not a bad kill for D2 You have an amazing hardon for killing 3p man.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:00
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Hal Incandenza posted:No that isn't true, arsonist can douse people multiple nights and then eventually set them on fire. At least it has been that way times I have seen it It's not the way I've seen it and it's not the way it's listed on Mafiascum. Her claim is also, if not counter to the idea of flipping two VT from two, certainly made very unlikely by it. There would have to be a minimum of six non-Town, I think - two 3P killers, Bounty Hunter and three scum. Plus, Town would also have to have some form of defence. I honestly don't see there being more than three or possibly four VT in that game.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:02
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seriously, how is pera a 3p that's bad for town?
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Jul 15, 2017 01:02
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Flying Leatherman posted:not to be a bother, but i don't think your statement and jedit's are mutually exclusive - i think he's saying that a douse is a nightkill that just doesn't go off until the arsonist wants it to, which would equate to the more targets doused, the more likely the kills are to go off (doctor can't target everyone) No, I'm saying that Mafiascum straight up defines Arsonist as a killer that cannot be blocked by a Doctor, only by a Firefighter. That's the definition I've always seen. Tired Moritz posted:seriously, how is pera a 3p that's bad for town? You've seriously never seen anyone say "I'm 3P, but I win with the Town" before? It's pretty much a neon sign saying "I'm scum, Survivor or SK".
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Jul 15, 2017 01:07
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Jedit posted:You've seriously never seen anyone say "I'm 3P, but I win with the Town" before? It's pretty much a neon sign saying "I'm scum, Survivor or SK". yeah but people are saying to kill them EVEN IF they are saying the truth.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:09
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Opop tell us about arsonists
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Jul 15, 2017 01:09
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Tired Moritz posted:yeah but people are saying to kill them EVEN IF they are saying the truth. smh
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Jul 15, 2017 01:11
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Tired Moritz posted:if we assume pera is saying the truth, their wincon is literally "survive until all other 3p are dead and reign as the 3p god". how is that even able to swing to the scumteam? hi tm im a lady also like i said WAY easier to win with town Jedit posted:It's not the way I've seen it and it's not the way it's listed on Mafiascum. http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Arsonist I'm using this.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:12
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peramene posted:hi tm im a lady out of curiosity, how would you win not with town given your described role?
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Jul 15, 2017 01:13
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peramene posted:http://mafiawiki.notesmash.org/wiki/Arsonist Look Jedit, we were BOTH right! Friends forever
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Jul 15, 2017 01:20
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Vote's staying where it is. If the game has that many killers, it is sure as loving hell not "easier to win with town". You barely have to do a goddamn thing if three can die per night. Get loving lynched.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:25
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Flying Leatherman posted:out of curiosity, how would you win not with town given your described role? The same way Survivors do.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:26
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Jedit posted:The same way Survivors do. acceptable answer, but that's proceeding under the assumption there's an organized scum team, right? or would this be "the killers off themselves and everybody else"?
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Jul 15, 2017 01:28
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The only way pera can win with scum is if town literally lose the game and there are still 3rds left. This is dumb. People wishy washyness on whether she's lying or not is bad
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Jul 15, 2017 01:28
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Tired Moritz posted:The only way pera can win with scum is if town literally lose the game and there are still 3rds left. I'm of the position upon reading some more that we gain enough on killing her and her flipping as she claims that it's probably worth it.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:33
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Jedit posted:Her claim is also, if not counter to the idea of flipping two VT from two, certainly made very unlikely by it. There would have to be a minimum of six non-Town, I think - two 3P killers, Bounty Hunter and three scum. Plus, Town would also have to have some form of defence. I honestly don't see there being more than three or possibly four VT in that game.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:36
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Flying Leatherman posted:out of curiosity, how would you win not with town given your described role? I'd have to convince scum to keep me based on my cunning wit and natural charm. Which would probably involve keeping all of this a secret way longer. I made my bed.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:40
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Flying Leatherman posted:acceptable answer, but that's proceeding under the assumption there's an organized scum team, right? or would this be "the killers off themselves and everybody else"? peramene posted:I win by securing the deaths of third party killers and then there's a list of five total 3p killing roles. My win condition is the standard "eliminate all threats to Town". If the only threats are 3PKs, then Pera's wincon is identical to the Town wincon. Her claim therefore requires there to be a scum team. TM - you're slightly wrong. As claimed Pera could win with scum if the kill that triggers endgame is the last of her targets. If one of them was still alive at end game then presumably she'd lose. The important thing is that losing at endgame in this fashion would be the only way she could lose; Town have to kill all 3PKs as well as scum. She's lying. There's no way she's not lying.
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I'm going to bed, it's 1.20am here. My vote isn't moving. If Pera is lying, it's a good lynch. If she's telling the truth somehow, we'll have a lot of confirmed information on the setup and depending who flips we might be able to unravel it all.
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Jul 15, 2017 01:44
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Jedit posted:My win condition is the standard "eliminate all threats to Town". If the only threats are 3PKs, then Pera's wincon is identical to the Town wincon. Her claim therefore requires there to be a scum team. right yep in retrospect that should have been obvious and i shouldn't have needed to ask the question, really quote:The important thing is that losing at endgame in this fashion would be the only way she could lose; Town have to kill all 3PKs as well as scum. given the necessity for a scumteam in this scenario this kinda looks like an oversight in the claim yeah, cause both town and scum have some interest in removing 3p killing roles and since everyone would have a motivation to off the 3p's it'd be a fairly straightforward win in most cases as well as motivation to not claim and let dudes kill each other off rather than reveal one's self basically what i'm trying to say is this line of argument is not entirely unappealing to me when presented like this. fortunately, there's still a little while for me to chew on it
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Jul 15, 2017 01:49
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Jedit posted:
How the hell is she going to reach endgame with maf/3rd/town/her. Town's screwed anyway. I think she loses when she dies
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Jul 15, 2017 01:50
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Yorkshire Tea posted:You have an amazing hardon  Anyways I don't think we should kill pera just because she's 3P, but in lieu of catching scum I'd rather her than town
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Jul 15, 2017 01:51
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peramene, please come back and dig your grave further. I want to see how ridiculous of a claim you can come up with.
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Jul 15, 2017 02:02
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rudeneck lurkgul
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Jul 15, 2017 02:11
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Quick question, pera. Do you have to be alive at endgame for your victory to count, or can you win posthumously?
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Jul 15, 2017 02:14
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PMush Perfect posted:Quick question, pera. Do you have to be alive at endgame for your victory to count, or can you win posthumously? I explicitly cannot win posthumously.
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Jul 15, 2017 02:16
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peramene posted:I explicitly cannot win posthumously. Jedit posted:You've seriously never seen anyone say "I'm 3P, but I win with the Town" before? It's pretty much a neon sign saying "I'm scum, Survivor or SK". Tired Moritz posted:The only way pera can win with scum is if town literally lose the game and there are still 3rds left. Jedit posted:The important thing is that losing at endgame in this fashion would be the only way she could lose; Town have to kill all 3PKs as well as scum. ...yeah, sure, I've seen weirder. Doesn't mean I believe you, but the wincon at least passes a basic sanity check.
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Jul 15, 2017 02:19
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Jul 15, 2017 02:21
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how are you guys not voting somber? they are so obvious 3rd.
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PMush Perfect posted:So, in short, pera's a Town-aligned Survivor with powers. (really poo poo powers)
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Who do you want dead, if pera isn't an option tonight?
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