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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Walked into an eb games today and immediately walked out again. Game shops should not smell like pet stores.

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PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Arcsquad12 posted:

Walked into an eb games today and immediately walked out again. Game shops should not smell like pet stores.

Huh. I was going to sass you but apparently they still call it EB Games outside the US.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
My brother plays 40k still, and I went with him on Sunday to the closest Games Workshop to watch him play a couple games. Everyone was pretty normal and it was a damned good experience overall. The only negative was there was an eleven year old playing too who looked/acted like he was cosplaying Guy Fieri.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

that boy ain't right

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Aramek posted:

My brother plays 40k still, and I went with him on Sunday to the closest Games Workshop to watch him play a couple games. Everyone was pretty normal and it was a damned good experience overall. The only negative was there was an eleven year old playing too who looked/acted like he was cosplaying Guy Fieri.

Wanna adopt that kid.

Richard Bong
Dec 11, 2008
There is a gaming store like 2 blocks from my place that runs a lot of MTG events. I don't do tournaments anymore, but I do play with friends. So I was walking past with my wife on the way back from Jewel and figured I'd stop in and see if they had anymore relentless rats for a dumb gimmick deck I am making.

It was currently winter in Chicago, and the windows were covered in nerd sweat condensation so we didn't get a great look inside before entering. As we walk in there is a tournament going on with like 10 people all young nerdy males.

The room went silent and I swear to god I heard a gasp when we opened the door. My wife said she has never been happier her glasses immediately fogged over because she was really uncomfortable and didn't want to see anyone.

We aren't jock looking people either, I'm a beardy overweight ex military guy and she looks like an indie chick. So overall pretty nerdy and the type who are into game store stuff. Idk. It was weird.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Arcsquad12 posted:

Walked into an eb games today and immediately walked out again. Game shops should not smell like pet stores.

Funny, the EB Games in a mall I used to work at was right beside a pet store and did smell like one because of it. This just made me realize that pet store has been closed for probably 7 years now

HAmbONE
May 11, 2004

I know where the XBox is!!
Smellrose

Fried Watermelon posted:

Funny, the EB Games in a mall I used to work at was right beside a pet store and did smell like one because of it. This just made me realize that pet store has been closed for probably 7 years now

Market Mall?

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
The gently caress kind of indoor mall has a pet store in it? The stores all around it would have to be pissed the gently caress off

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I'm not american but they always have pet stores in the mall in the simpsons and stuff. I just googled it and googled returned loads of examples. We have very few in shopping centres here if any.

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Aesop Poprock posted:

The gently caress kind of indoor mall has a pet store in it? The stores all around it would have to be pissed the gently caress off

The... Normal kind?

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

PCOS Bill posted:

The... Normal kind?

I'm not a mall expert tourist or anything but I don't recall ever seeying one in any mall I've been to in my life. Sounds gross

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

I think they were mostly phased out by the end of the 90s. I remember a few in my local malls growing up. They were in-fact gross and really really sad-looking. Then again pet stores in general are loving sad. The only reason I can tolerate Petsmart is that they don't put puppies on display and the cats are theoretically rescues.

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My nerd store experience is a bit tangential, but I think worth telling. I went to some guy's house off of a Meetup.com post for some beginner D&D. I had some very basic experience but felt like it'd be a good way to get my feet wet. Anyway I get there and myself and some young husband/wife with next to no experience whatsoever. We're all chit-chatting about what RPGs entail and I tell them the Sir Bearrington copypasta where some player builds his character as a Bear-Rogue with all points into bluff and an NPC servant who can translate. Apparently this made the DM insecure so he claimed immediately that he presided over that game, and to my discredit I suppressed a scoff but then supported him in his own wacky D&D anecdotes. In return he encouraged us to dig under a tavern to unearth a level 8 chain demon on our level 1 party by the second session, and literally ended the party wipe looking at me and saying "and now we know there are people out there stronger than you." The sad part is that I've had enough good D&D/RPG experiences to know that it's very possible to have a great group and a great time, but experiences like that come so close to being the norm that I just stopped bothering trying to find games.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's probably already been mentioned, but the key to enjoying D&D is to get a group of people who are already fun and on the same page as you, rather than grabbing anyone who happens to know the rules. They're not that hard to learn. (and if they are, you're probably playing a bad game and/or with stupid people)

I've seen pet stores in malls, though they tend not to have many large animals and probably sell more accessories and food than animals.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

mind the walrus posted:

I think they were mostly phased out by the end of the 90s. I remember a few in my local malls growing up. They were in-fact gross and really really sad-looking. Then again pet stores in general are loving sad. The only reason I can tolerate Petsmart is that they don't put puppies on display and the cats are theoretically rescues.

The last time I was in a random pet store was probably almost a decade ago cause there was one near the movie theater and me and my buddy were waiting for our movie to start so we just went in and looked around. Within 5 mins some teenager comes out of the back holding a rat in his hand and yells "YO THIS BITCH IS PREGNANT" to the front desk and like angrily threw it into a bag he had in his other hand like he was pitching a baseball at the ground. We looked at each other like we'd just seen the end of old yeller for the first time and got the gently caress out

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ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX

PCOS Bill posted:

Shh, play along, these people don't really get out

hey man its not their fault it's anxiety

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Aesop Poprock posted:

The last time I was in a random pet store was probably almost a decade ago cause there was one near the movie theater and me and my buddy were waiting for our movie to start so we just went in and looked around. Within 5 mins some teenager comes out of the back holding a rat in his hand and yells "YO THIS BITCH IS PREGNANT" to the front desk and like angrily threw it into a bag he had in his other hand like he was pitching a baseball at the ground. We looked at each other like we'd just seen the end of old yeller for the first time and got the gently caress out

My worst nerd store experience was this except it was in a gamestop.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





when i was young i inherited a whole bunch of DC/marvel comics from my brother, later on i started collecting them myself from a retailer who worked at a flea market until i was like 15 and so i'd never actually experienced a true comic book store before, i think around 2011 they restarted the whole DC universe so i figured i'd pick up a few rebranded #1 & #2 issues for old times sake so i went to a bigger downtown comic book store on my lunch break; it was noonish and pretty dead inside except for the two clerks sitting behind the counter, two completely harmless, mild-mannered looking skinny dweebs who were mostly pleasant in a showers, shaves & basic hygiene but nothing else kind of way - they were having the loudest possible conversation about loving sexy as hell cat girls in dnd

because this happened a whiles after after the big reboot i had to go to the back issues area at the back wall of this huge store so i experienced their conversation about what makes for the sexiest cat girl, is it having a human pussy or a cat pussy, in full booming echo as i thumbed through stacks of old issues, this took some time and i was rapidly edging towards yelling a shut the gently caress up, nerds but i didn't - i think it was because i didn't want to get turned away at the register after going through the trouble of finding the ~14 issues i wanted ... but then their conversation got into the actual specifics of cat girl sex which included the line a mind that's between human and cat, sort of like a young child's so sex is half-instinct, half- gentle instruction

after they rang up my purchase one of them gave me an eerily cheerful but awkward 'see you next month, valued customer!' i didn't reply with anything clever, just a 'you're both sick fucks and i'm never coming in again'

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL
Feb 21, 2006

Holy Moly! DARKSEID IS!

Reading this thread I consider myself lucky after a decade of quasi-working in the industry, mostly volunteering as a game judge or explaining what books were good for kids on Free Comic Day. My friend was a store manager, very anti-creep, although a bit too lenient imo (he was more for reform except in the most egregious of cases). Being a big, jovial, tattooed guy who could also one-punch someone without trying helped cut down on weirdo behavior I think. One-punching never happened at the shop sadly, despite all the scummy dealers who deserved it.

The incident that stands out to me was pulling aside a 20-yo and explaining that nose-picking was an inappropriate behavior at the gaming table where people were picking up multiple pieces and dice and cards. He was legitimately autistic of the overly enthusiastic variety and thankfully it was just very awkward as opposed to him acting out, he honestly didn't make the connection it wasn't okay until we spoke to him. He did make some friends there and I like to think it helped in the long run :unsmith:

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:

The incident that stands out to me was pulling aside a 20-yo and explaining that nose-picking was an inappropriate behavior at the gaming table where people were picking up multiple pieces and dice and cards. He was legitimately autistic of the overly enthusiastic variety and thankfully it was just very awkward as opposed to him acting out, he honestly didn't make the connection it wasn't okay until we spoke to him. He did make some friends there and I like to think it helped in the long run :unsmith:
That is kind-of sweet. As an autistic I feel qualified to say that it is a theory of mind thing, and an emotionally mature autistic understands that and is grateful someone is willing to speak up for everyone's benefit. It's like when someone points out you've got food stuck in your teeth or that your hair looks crazy-- the very fact that someone gives enough of a poo poo to say something matters almost as much as the correction itself. I've never nose-picked at a table, but y'know, I can relate. Sometimes people aren't so kind and go straight to exclusion, or they get really passive-aggressive and when you finally connect the dots you just plain hate their guts.

magikid
Nov 4, 2006
Wielder of the Soup Spoon

mind the walrus posted:

I went to some guy's house off of a Meetup.com post for some beginner D&D.

I'm really trying to imagine this guy's version of the story.

quote:

This guy obviously doesn't know poo poo about D&D but he starts talking big like he's some old pro (the Sir Bearrington story - talk about OLD) to noobs who don't know any better. I'm getting sick of him so I used my intellect to subtly influence them all to start digging under a town. They do it (he actually FELL FOR IT) and little do they know there's a level 8 chain demon waiting that WIPES their whole party! And then I look at this bigshot loser and I say: "And now we know there are people out there stronger than you." He got so embarassed he never showed up again. OWNED FUCKER.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

hard counter posted:

their conversation about what makes for the sexiest cat girl, is it having a human pussy or a cat pussy

You know, I've always been unnerved by Catgirl Guys and their obsession with loving mewing baby-ladies, but I never assumed they were actual bestialists before. Now I know better, I guess?

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

magikid posted:

I'm really trying to imagine this guy's version of the story.
I could really believe this was his thought process. Dude was a bald soft boiled egg of a man living with his parents. You give someone the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes stereotypes pan out for good reason.

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Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

magikid posted:

I'm really trying to imagine this guy's version of the story.

Eh, digging up an overleveled enemy seems like you short-circuited his ultra-clever finely-tuned railroad and he just decided to, rather than wing it and put something else there, keep his enemy layout exactly as it was and kill you off.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
I had no idea what a chain devil was supposed to be but a cursory google search shows it to look exactly as I expected it to from the name.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

Somfin posted:

Eh, digging up an overleveled enemy seems like you short-circuited his ultra-clever finely-tuned railroad and he just decided to, rather than wing it and put something else there, keep his enemy layout exactly as it was and kill you off.

This was exactly how he played it off. "If I were you guys I'd have gone North to fight the bandits you heard about" and "I just lay out my world and let my players interact with it for good or ill."

Like, dude we discovered a basement of cultists and a secret passage in the bottom of the pub you started us in. You really expected us to turn and grind on some thieves?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

mind the walrus posted:

This was exactly how he played it off. "If I were you guys I'd have gone North to fight the bandits you heard about" and "I just lay out my world and let my players interact with it for good or ill."

Like, dude we discovered a basement of cultists and a secret passage in the bottom of the pub you started us in. You really expected us to turn and grind on some thieves?

What a totally poo poo DM. I can smell the World of Warcraft on him from here.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The worst DMs and players are the ones, usually brain damaged from too much 3.5, that don't understand the rules are meant to be for the benefit and convenience of the players and DM, not the physical laws of the setting.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Inescapable Duck posted:

The worst DMs and players are the ones, usually brain damaged from too much 3.5, that don't understand the rules are meant to be for the benefit and convenience of the players and DM, not the physical laws of the setting.

The big strength of tabletop gaming is that you can wing things. You can just say gently caress it, the usual rules are going to make this unfun dogshit so let's toss them out for now. That plenty of DMs refuse to deviate from their preplanned ideas is just plain sad.

KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


I went to a nerd store a few times to play MTG because my friends were into it. I never won once in like, 5 visits. That's my worst nerd store experience.

PCOS Bill
May 12, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Inescapable Duck posted:

The worst DMs and players are the ones, usually brain damaged from too much 3.5, that don't understand the rules are meant to be for the benefit and convenience of the players and DM, not the physical laws of the setting.

I believe you will find there is no such thing as too much 3.5

Coucho Marx
Mar 2, 2009

kick back and relax

Slime posted:

The big strength of tabletop gaming is that you can wing things. You can just say gently caress it, the usual rules are going to make this unfun dogshit so let's toss them out for now. That plenty of DMs refuse to deviate from their preplanned ideas is just plain sad.

I've wondered about this (never played D&D or anything like it), and I've always thought: if your players are going in a direction you didn't really expect, wouldn't you just 'cleverly railroad' them anyway? Like, if they have to go see the elf scholar in the North Forest Elf Village or whatever, but end up digging under the tavern instead? They find a bandit hideout, and they had captured the scholar who knows about an old, forbidden, expensive book! Go east to check out the Water Temple? Some elf kids got caught up in some merman scheme, rescue them and I'm sure the elves will reward you if you escort them back (and see the scholar while you're there)! Dick around in the city doing not much? The scholar turns up in the library, and accidentally unleashes some weird monster from that forbidden book! Can't be that hard, right?

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

Hold that pose.
I've gotta get something.

Coucho Marx posted:

I've wondered about this (never played D&D or anything like it), and I've always thought: if your players are going in a direction you didn't really expect, wouldn't you just 'cleverly railroad' them anyway? Like, if they have to go see the elf scholar in the North Forest Elf Village or whatever, but end up digging under the tavern instead? They find a bandit hideout, and they had captured the scholar who knows about an old, forbidden, expensive book! Go east to check out the Water Temple? Some elf kids got caught up in some merman scheme, rescue them and I'm sure the elves will reward you if you escort them back (and see the scholar while you're there)! Dick around in the city doing not much? The scholar turns up in the library, and accidentally unleashes some weird monster from that forbidden book! Can't be that hard, right?

That's the idea. If they do something that doesn't lead them to your intended destination, you give them some sort of random (manageable) encounter, and somehow make that encounter suggest that they head there.

I played D&D for the first time a couple of years ago, and it was with guys I had met from a board game group, and a guy who the DM knew. Our DM was a guy who hadn't run a campaign before, and was pretty much entirely inflexible on his story. Our first encounter ended up having a challenge rating of "deadly" only because he didn't understand how the rating system worked. 2 of our 4 characters escaped. He did not give us experience for the encounter, and did not let us retcon anything that happened in the fight. The 2 dead characters come back, and made them make new characters. One of them had put basically a whole day's worth of work into this character's backstory, so just remade basically the same person, pretty much just to piss the guy off. There was also a point at which we couldn't really figure out how to progress, so we decided to try to turn back and take a different path at a fork from earlier. The DM was having none of this, and said that a giant stood outside of the dungeon we were in, and would attack us if we tried to leave. Later that same session, we got our characters to a point where we'd pick our class specialization. I had a really distinct idea for what I wanted my character to be, and tried to make an animal-handling ranger. The DM tried to convince me to take the hunter path, since it deals more damage, but I didn't want that. That wasn't the character I had written. To force my hand, he basically said that, because we were in a dungeon, there were not animals there to take as my companion, and since the giant would kill us at the entrance, there was no way to go outside to find an animal. I took the hunter path just so he would let us move on.

The guy I didn't know from before was probably the worst player I will ever play with. His first character was a meme-spouting lech of a paladin who basically shouted all of the time. After that character died, he introduced his new character, a meme-spouting lech of a rogue. Only this time, he called himself The Highwayman, based very specifically on this scene from Over the Garden Wall:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8. Near as I can tell, he only did it so he'd have a new thing to shout. And he did it constantly, even when people weren't asking his name. It was functionally his battle cry. It got bad enough that people playing nearby and the staff of the store had to come to tell him to quiet down. When he didn't get the hint, the DM tricked him into putting on goggles that gave his character dark vision, but also made him blind if he shouted. It was the one good thing the DM did. The guy would basically creep on any female character that would show up, and actually pretty severely impeded our progress a few times in doing so. In a different campaign we tried with him under a different DM, the DM actively started to harm his character when he would do these things, and he still did not get the message.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Inescapable Duck posted:

The worst DMs and players are the ones, usually brain damaged from too much 3.5, that don't understand the rules are meant to be for the benefit and convenience of the players and DM, not the physical laws of the setting.

There's still a school of GM that thinks they're the opponent of the players and gets jollies out of slaughtering players. As if this was some sort of achievement and they couldn't just kill the entire party by fiat with no cleverness at all.

Not my worse nerd store experience but one of the strangest: a few years ago I went into Dark Sphere, which is buried under Waterloo station in London. Lots of people swear by them for mail order, this was my first and last physical trip.

Red flag 1: almost all of the stores front area is taken up by a single gaming table and one game of Warhammer. Fine, but it makes it physically impossible to get at most of the stores stock.

RF 2: the nerds gathered around the table hush and stare furtively at me as I enter and for the duration of my stay, muttering in suddenly lowered voices. Like, it's a game store and I'm in here with you too guys: no reason to be suddenly embarrassed you got caught playing with plastic orcs.

RF 3: The store clerk lumbers after me and asks "Can I help you?" I demur and continue browsing. Except he follows me around, standing several feet away, repeating his query.

Looking for anything in particular?
Can I help you with anything?
What do you want?

I was out within 5 minutes. Sorry for interrupting your game, foolishly thought I might buy something.

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Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

magikid posted:

I'm really trying to imagine this guy's version of the story.

You see poo poo like this posted unironically on reddit all the time - you always come away from it feeling like the opposite end of this story the reddit DM is clearly very proud of had to be some poor player's worst-ever D&D experience.

"How I shocked my players with the funniest TPK ever"

"I finally made a player cry!"

"Fooled my players with an unsolvable puzzle - they kept trying to solve it!"

Deified Data has a new favorite as of 17:40 on Jul 17, 2017

Nettles Coterie
Dec 24, 2008

Play in the Dark, lest the Heat catch you standing still
My ex got me into Magic when we were together, so I'd tag along with him to drafts and prereleases. Our usual store was actually pretty good and I had very few bad experiences there, but I'm sure it would've been worse if I was alone.

One time we decided to try out a new store, and it was a complete nightmare. We sat at a table to wait for the event to start, and nobody talked to us, but the second my ex got up to pee, a dude came over, sat right next to me and said "hello, FEMALE" in the most condescending tone possible. I didn't even answer. Once my ex came back, of course, the dude immediately introduced himself and started talking like a normal loving person. Later, another guy elbowed me really hard in the ribs as I was walking by and didn't even acknowledge that it had happened. When I lost the first round of the tournament, a weaselly kid who looked like he was 14 leaned over, sneered at me, and said "ohh, did that meany beat you? Are you gonna cry?"

We never went back to that store, and I haven't played Magic since that relationship ended, even though I really enjoyed it when dudes weren't being shitheads. Funnily enough, I guarantee these loving troglodytes love to complain about how there aren't enough nerdy women, and honestly believe that their nerdy interests are the reason they can't get a date.

hard counter
Jan 2, 2015





Antivehicular posted:

You know, I've always been unnerved by Catgirl Guys and their obsession with loving mewing baby-ladies, but I never assumed they were actual bestialists before. Now I know better, I guess?

i'm sure the venn-diagram of furries, catgirl lovers and animal fuckers is just a single circle in deep denial about it

Golden Bee
Dec 24, 2009

I came here to chew bubblegum and quote 'They Live', and I'm... at an impasse.

Deified Data posted:

You see poo poo like this posted unironically on reddit all the time - you always come away from it feeling like the opposite end of this story the reddit DM is clearly very proud of had to be some poor player's worst-ever D&D experience.

"How I shocked my players with the funniest TPK ever"

"I finally made a player cry!"

"Fooled my players with an unsolvable puzzle - they kept trying to solve it!"

r/rpg is SURPRISINGLY pro-PbTA now. The top posts are usually "Go with it" or "Talk to the player OOC you dumbass."

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Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe

Nettles Coterie posted:

We never went back to that store, and I haven't played Magic since that relationship ended, even though I really enjoyed it when dudes weren't being shitheads. Funnily enough, I guarantee these loving troglodytes love to complain about how there aren't enough nerdy women, and honestly believe that their nerdy interests are the reason they can't get a date.

Oh please, they've given up on getting a date, they've walled that area of their brain off permanently.

I honestly think that's why a lot of these game store types stink, it's because they've completely let go of the idea of a romantic relationship either now or in the future, and once you've done that hygiene is a lot less important. Doubly so if you have nowhere to go that's paying you to show up in a reasonably normal state.

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