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Crazycryodude posted:Missiles need an active sensor lock and can't coast ballistic, they're direct fire only. You can I think attach a waypoint to a body and have missiles home on that without active locks. They do need independent seeker warheads though for final attack.
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Crazycryodude posted:Those PDC's around Saturn aren't nearly as scary as they look, they're all roughly the size of a large destroyer or very light cruiser. 6 destroyers wouldn't be scaring us off, so why do 6 destroyer-sized PDC's suddenly have us quaking in our boots? Most are probably beam installations, and if there are any missile silos they're small/short ranged/have limited magazine space. There's just an unavoidable hard upper limit to capabilities when you've got only 5000 tons to work with. We could take them with just our line ships if we had to, and remember that we captured a shiny new siege cruiser that will tear them to bits without us risking so much as a scratch. I for one am hardly afraid of them, I'm just of the mind that dealing with them would be more trouble than it's worth when we have other targets that are far more valuable than static defenses on planets we aren't planning on invading yet. Basically: We could spend 20 missiles to kill one PDC or one cruiser, and I for one would rather kill the cruiser. Dr. Snark fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 17:40
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Yo Saros, whether or not we want to do this, would doing this get us a court martial for "being smart-asses"?GunnerJ posted:Here's a oddball idea, though. Our orders for a target are: "Destroy fuel harvesting operations around Saturn or Uranus" and "Destroy orbital infrastructure of Titan or Titania." Can we destroy the harvesting operations around Saturn (with fast-attack fleet elements) and destroy the orbital infrastructure of Titania (with heavier siege craft) and fulfill these orders?
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GunnerJ posted:Yo Saros, whether or not we want to do this, would doing this get us a court martial for "being smart-asses"? If you managed both they'd probably get cracking on 100m statues of you stomping a man in a suit asap. The orders are in priority order and you aren't expected to achieve them all. Bear in mind though that some of those PDC are probably missile PDC so you aren't going to be able to sneak around them without taking fire. Saros fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 17:54
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Its also good to remember that since PDCs don't need stuff like engines they shoot at stronger levels than their tonnage would suggest for a ship.
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Jul 18, 2017 17:58
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Even if PDC's punch at double their weight (and I'd say the ration is more like 1.5x), we'd still only be dealing with cruiser-equivalents. The PDC's are enough to discourage medium-sized raiders, but will melt away in the face of a full fleet with a siege cruiser.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:05
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Dr. Snark posted:I for one am hardly afraid of them, I'm just of the mind that dealing with them would be more trouble than it's worth when we have other targets that are far more valuable than static defenses on planets we aren't planning on invading yet. As pointed out by Saros in the IRC the standard IC missile sensors will pick up or small ships form 10m km away, meaning we will be spotted even with our fast stuff well before we get into system. Our fast stuff cant really take much of a beating so those missile PDCs can probably take them on. Its kinda go big or go to Uranus when it comes to Saturn.
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Jul 18, 2017 18:12
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I say go for the safe bet. Take Uranus completely. 9th and our Neptune fleet will both strike at once and the swift Tuttle brigades will take whatever they can. Is it possible to board construction / repair yards and tow them off? If so we loving take their poo poo back to Neptune.
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Affi posted:I say go for the safe bet. Take Uranus completely. No idea. I don't think we have the troops to actually take Titania without nuking it into oblivion first, but we could certainly take the system in general. Might even be able to capture the harvesters intact and divert that fuel income. Saturn is probably more a just blow it up operation. That said I'm in the Uranus crowd. Pash fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 18:22
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Affi posted:Is it possible to board construction / repair yards and tow them off? If so we loving take their poo poo back to Neptune. Yes you can capture shipyards. You even have a special tow ship arriving at Neptune shortly. You guys should remember the Exxon class beam PDC from Tempel 1 as well.  Saros fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 18:27
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They destroyed our shipyards. Why wait until the war is over to seek redress?
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Jul 18, 2017 18:32
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Saros posted:Yes you can capture shipyards. You even have a special tow ship arriving at Neptune shortly. Listen people: we're probably never going to have another chance to steal an entire shipyard. Let's make the most of this operation and get some preemptive reparations from the IC shall we? 
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Dr. Snark posted:Listen people: we're probably never going to have another chance to steal an entire shipyard. Let's make the most of this operation and get some preemptive reparations from the IC shall we? Edit, was looking at the wrong shipyard complex. Stealing the giant one at Saturn would probably draw a lot of ships out system... There is also a tiny shipyard complex near Uranus.
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Oh the Exxon's are also beam PDC's, that makes Saturn an even better choice. We know the Mobils are beam PDC's we outrange, now we know the Exxons are also beam PDC's we outrange, only leaves two mystery Statoil's to deal with on Titan, and a third on Rhea. They're probably missile PDC's with some hangar bays for the fighters/FACs. The fact that they're only 3,050 tons implies they really don't have much in the way of both tubes and magazine space. Please reconsider your Uranus votes, Saturn is more than twice as valuable, and extremely poorly defended.
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Pash posted:Edit, was looking at the wrong shipyard complex. Stealing the giant one at Saturn would probably draw a lot of ships out system... I'm erring towards the Uranus one for obvious reasons, but if we end up pulling off a successful assault on Saturn...
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Jul 18, 2017 18:49
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Stealing the giant one at Saturn might actually be impossible. But shooting the poo poo out of Uranus and stealing everything not nailed down would be cool
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Jul 18, 2017 18:50
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Jul 18, 2017 19:01
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 People were asking for this stuff in discord:  Basically how the territories shake out at the moment. Terran space (white) has been declared off limits to military ships, if you are detected there they will probably be quite grumpy. Distances: Neptune - Uranus is 1.63 billion km Neptune - Saturn is 3.33 billion km Uranus - Saturn is 1.74 billion km Jupiter - Saturn is 1.44 billion km Jupiter - Uranus is 2.41 bllion km
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Jul 18, 2017 19:24
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Operation Bottom Line
We might be able to take Uranus, but doing so only stretches our supply lines without inflicting fatal losses on the IC. We have a brief window now to strike at the heart of the IC relatively unopposed. We should take it.
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LLSix posted:Operation Bottom Line I like this
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LLSix posted:Operation Bottom Line I'm starting to come around to this, but I suggest: Bringing half the raiders with us to provide some more close action brawling Start the tugboats on their roundabout way with some escorts now, assuming that they are actually a lot slower then the fleet (I could be wrong here). Diversionary attack on Uranus. Something like using the captured Meyers and a couple cruisers (left mainly to defend Neptune) to try to lure out some enemy ships. If successful Meyers unload and then everyone retreats to the Neptune. Alternatively bring the Meyers on the Saturn attack but hold them back to launch their volleys at any reinforcements or large unexpected things.
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Jul 18, 2017 19:52
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There's no point in the 1/3 of the way to uranus bit, as the two planets are almost perfectly aligned to Neptune.
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Sounds good to me. I think the Meyers ought to stay back and guard Triton, they'd slow down the main fleet and are kinda lovely as line combatants, if we're being honest. We also might want to send someone to check on Pluto, just to make sure nobody's been eaten by eldritch horrors.
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Morrow posted:There's no point in the 1/3 of the way to uranus bit, as the two planets are almost perfectly aligned to Neptune. Almost isn't perfectly. We've gotten remarkably good information on the other side's movement. Heading towards Uranus initially might confuse any spy ships or out of game engine spies they've got lurking around to provide them equivalent information to what we've been provided with. The longer the other side thinks we're heading towards Uranus, they less likely they are to attack Neptune and the more likely they are to move reinforcements to Uranus and out of Saturn.
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Posting these for reference later. 
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I support attacking Saturn after discord chat. It is the second system of power in the IC and isn't any more defended than Uranus is at the moment, and losing Saturn will cripple the IC. Even if we can't hold the system against a counterattack, we can destroy the systems shipyards and Sorium collectors or at least threaten too to bring them to the table. If the IC does not come to the table, we blow the system and make for Uranus and do the same. If we cripple both systems all they have left is Jupiter and in a terrible state having lost ~50% of their holdings between Saturn and Uranus. However there is another possibility, Saturn seems to be second fiddle to the Jovians in the IC, which probably isn't too united at the moment. We don't have the forces to take the Saturn colonies by ourselves in say landing troops on Titan (unless we want to genocide people via bombardment) however if there are groups that would be happy to see the pendulum of Outer Solsys power swing to Mars aligned Saturn... So essentially does Special Branch have contacts we could reach out too or information on what the Saturnine systems politics look like? Even if we don't ultimately go for Mars, maybe we could launch some type of "Warsaw Uprising" to distract the IC while we take Uranus. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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The IC is a barely united band of dissidents held together by a distaste for inner system authority and obscene amounts of money. Saying the right things (and slipping the right bribes) to the right people could get a PDC or two turned off, or a colony to surrender, or whatever. poo poo, we can probably get amazing results just by finding out if the local governor likes Apple or Android and offering to nuke the corporate HQ of the other guys.
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Is there any reason we can't just siege Uranus? It doesn't matter how much Sorium they mine there if they can't get it out of system. We could then focus the majority of our military on Saturn, where the major shipyards are. edit: I'm voting for Saturn, the time to strike is now!
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There's the possibility that the IC comes to evict us from Saturn with overwhelming force and we can't maintain a full blockade of Uranus long-term, but yeah I think it's way better to capture/destroy all the stuff around Saturn and keep commerce raiding the routes from Uranus, because it cuts down the sorium supply way more than just taking Uranus does. Plus, even if they do, every ship chasing us rimwards is one that's not threatening Mars. Might as well attact as many as we can by going for the highest value target.
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As IC seems to love the box launcher concept (cannot remember a single IC design with reloads) i have got to ask the question: Is it possible to design a PDC as a box launcher and if yes, what kind of alpha strike would be possible out of the tonnage of the one class of unidentified PDCs?
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I'm on the Saturn Side now. Use half the marine corvettes to continue raiding. Have the rest meet up with our other forces. Once the 9th Crud makes it out here and our ships are repaired we should send the majority of the fleet to attack Saturn, with the must focusing on taking out the enemy PDCs that we have not seen before. Leave the Meyers and a couple other ships back to protect Neptune and install that PDC we stole there as well. I also really like the potential idea of sending our tug boat with the fleet to try to steal a ship yard, but I guess that depends on the ships speed without tugging things, as we would want it to be able to run away if possible.
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Bring the hammer down on the fuckers. Saturn With the corollary that we make no attempts to capture anything. We just blow anything and everything that registers on our sensors to hell and get out. We have been very lucky with capturing things so far and I feel we are getting complacent and cocky. If we wipe out Saturn without taking losses the war is all but over, if we take casualties not shooting at 100% of our possible strength then get jumped trying to tow shipyards or harvesters or whatever back then it would be a disaster. Capturing stuff at Uranus might have been on the cards but it's just totaly impractical and dangerously reckless to attempt that at Saturn, however tempting. Kill them.
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Pharnakes posted:Bring the hammer down on the fuckers. Saturn Changing my vote to this. Glass all non-civilian infrastructure and get out before reinforcements show up.
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Just read up this whole let's play, and so far it's shockingly well done. Would love to join. (Please space-dorf Crazyeyes, requesting command of some sort of gunship for maximum irony) As to striking Saturn or Uranus, I vote Saturn. Go big or go home. Triton Fleet made it's name making the impossible, possible. Another idea, as a throwback to our minelayer: can we load up the captured missile boats (maybe just one) with a crapload of mines to leave behind after we've wrecked the place to prevent their return? Or would that just turn the next civvie ship passing nearby into a ball of gas? Is salting the earth gonna lose us street cred with Terra?
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Count me in as another vote for "Burn all non-civilian infrastructure at Saturn and then get the hell out." We need to do as much damage as possible to their ability to support any sort of prolonged conflict.
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Long, heated discussions on Discord have produced the following: Edit: Updated late 7/19 Operation Sherman Preparations -Sweep Triton with the anti-fighter frigates while repairs are underway. -Martian ships get priority for repairs, then the Gates, then the Mayer. -The Windhund will continue passive surveillance of Uranus. Light off the active sensor now and then to keep the enemy on their toes. -Triton base will continue building fighters and deploying minefields for its own defense. Deploy the captured Exxon PDC on Triton. Please look into how fast we could build a barebones hangar PDC on Triton. We also want to design a Size 6 mine to use with the Musk. -Send ground forces at S-T to rendezvous with 9th Crudiv at WP2. From WP2, they will head south towards Saturn. Five of the marine corvettes are to join as well and maintain a screen; we don't want 9th Crudiv to stumble onto some random freighter and get spotted. Initiation -The captured Elon Musk (now The Eclipse) is to immediately begin the path to Saturn shown below. We need it to take a head start since it's slower. One of the captured Mayers will escort. -The attack force will follow as soon as the CL Naomi is repaired. -The path to Saturn will initially go directly towards Uranus as LLSix mentioned, then dogleg around.  -The attack force will include all Martian warships (corvettes and up) except Victory and Tarnished Fist, which will continue repairs. We will also take two of the fleet scouts, the marines, and three FSVs. Load them up with as much fuel and missiles and we can. On Arrival at Saturn -9th Crudiv and the main fleet will rendezvous 200 Mkm NE of Saturn. Try to have them arrive about the same time, even if it means slowing one down. -Tactical plans will wait until we're approaching Saturn. The immediate objective is to destroy all military resistance in the Saturn system. -We will attempt to execute Senator Harris' plan while minimizing civilian casualties. We will first attempt to secure the surrender of the colony. Failing that, mobile infantry and marines will land on Rhea and Titan to destroy the specified infrastructure objectives. -Enemy ground forces are expected to be strong, if not superior. Therefore the fleet may freely perform bombardments to assist the ground assault, but against military targets such as PDCs or troop formations. -We will accept collateral damage due to bombarding military targets, but the fleet is not to intentionally target civilian facilities. After Saturn -After Saturn is secure, we will leave a Gale and the corvettes as a picket force. If IC tries to retake the system, we destroy the shipyards and harvesters and run for Neptune. We will inform IC of this fact. -Secure the sorium harvesters with the marines and use them to refuel the fleet. -The main force will depart Saturn for Uranus to destroy the forces there. The defense fleet at Triton and the mobile infantry will join for this. We will see about actually capturing Uranus to make our own fleet base. Fray fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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 E: Hold on, let me see if Col. Cryo can scrounge up some aides and storm back into Chief Missile Technician Ranjani's bay to cook up some size 6 mines for you. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 23:33
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Throwing my support behind operation tommy cooker.
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My moldering, vacuum-frozen corpse votes for Saturn and Operation Sherman
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I think I can live with Operation Sherman, especially since I"ll be leading the charge 
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