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SourKraut posted:Is there a complete write up on this somewhere? I was always interested in finding out the full story and what became of the owner.
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http://www.3dcenter.org has new info that lists Coffee Lake i5s as six core without HT and a smaller cache. Thanks Ryzen!
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eames posted:http://www.3dcenter.org has new info that lists Coffee Lake i5s as six core without HT and a smaller cache. Thanks Ryzen! But are they going to be price competitive?
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eames posted:http://www.3dcenter.org has new info that lists Coffee Lake i5s as six core without HT and a smaller cache. Thanks Ryzen! If CL ain't as finicky on DDR4 support as AMD I'm gonna stick with Intel again.
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eames posted:Don't worry, nobody would buy those over a G4560 anyway. I was just going to say, there is no reason for i3s to exist as slightly higher clocked pentiums and the only good pick from that list (other than "just buy i5/Ryzen") from that list is the G4560.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Palladium posted:If CL ain't as finicky on DDR4 support as AMD I'm gonna stick with Intel again. Skylake-X does 4400MHz quad channel and 4800MHz dual channel and I'd be surprised if Coffee-Lake isn't at least the same. I'd be betting on 1DPC kits hitting 5000MHz rated, which could lead to a satisfying parallel with expected CPU OC speeds.
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Coffee Lake to be compatible with some 100 and 200 series motherboards https://mobile.twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/886940741599145984 and a poster on anandtech who appears to have insider info claims turbo clocks will be higher than 7700K and i5s will match the 7700K in multithreaded performance. If that's all true CL-S may indeed be able to reach 5 GHz with sufficient cooling, so it'll be the best gaming CPU for a long time unless AMD knocks it out of the park. It seems like desktop Cannon Lake was cancelled and will focus on power consumption, EMIB and a more modular architecture. as always those are rumors 
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eames posted:It seems like desktop Cannon Lake was cancelled and will focus on ...EMIB and a more modular architecture.
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Combat Pretzel posted:You mean gluing things together? I thought that was a no-no? No, no, no. When Intel does it it's a holistic multi-component solution.
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GENTLEMEN IT IS A METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR STACKING A PLURALITY OF CORES https://seekingalpha.com/article/4051541-suerte-de-capote-intels-cannonlake-leaked-patent I don't want to read the g-word ever again. eames fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Traces on a PCB or traces on a underlying die, is there supposed to be a huge difference? The die would probably allow for a denser setup, but latency wise, there's probably going to be similar fun? --edit: Oh, the memory and bus stuff is on that die. Stacked dies and overclocking probably won't go that well together. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Yeah from what I understand EMIB is going to be a more flexible variant of Infinity Fabric. AMD beat them to market but Intel's version is going to be more flexible and will allow their big customers to configure their own dies like AMD does for the consoles. I'm sure Apple would be happy to have their proprietary ARM chip design for the Secure Enclave, TouchID and Touch bar integrated into the CPU (or SOC really) package. Combat Pretzel posted:Stacked dies and overclocking probably won't go that well together. Yeah, that's why I think that a 5 GHz CFL-S would dominate pure desktop gaming performance for a long time unless Intel achieves huge IPC gains out of nowhere (won't happen) or they put a huge cache on their future chips (not cost effective). eames fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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So if there's a CL-S, will there be a CL-T variant? Just wondering if it's real or just a myth...
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I dont think T is a specific variant in Intel's lineup, it's just a subset of S series chips binned down. As far as we know, Coffee Lake will serve as a "stop gap" for everything that had Cannon Lake delayed. So that will be all of the S (desktop) and H (performance laptop) series. U and Y (thin/light and tablet) will go straight to Cannon Lake "as planned", although still with 1 extra refresh in there than Intel anticipated, late this year or early next year. The lower TDP Coffee Lake stuff isn't going to show up until Feb '18, though. Only the high performance stuff is launching in August of this year.
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S is "standard" leak destop runts now (it used to be the "slightly more efficient" runt sku until Haswell where it ended up being better than the regular "non-K"s in both efficiency and performance) Ts are mobile chips with idle voltages too high to be used for laptops eames posted:http://www.3dcenter.org has new info that lists Coffee Lake i5s as six core without HT and a smaller cache. Thanks Ryzen! OTOH, three chipsets on one socket being highly unusual for Intel. Core Duo era chipset clusterfuck, boys 
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Jul 18, 2017 20:44
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At this rate I can stick with my devils canyon chip until 2k20. I would have liked to upgrade to DDR4 since I didn't upgrade my ram while DDR3 was cheap...
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:OTOH, three chipsets on one socket being highly unusual for Intel. Core Duo era chipset clusterfuck, boys I didn't believe the 100/200 series rumor when I first read it but yeah, it'd make sense to try and keep potential upgraders on the Intel platform rather than making them switch to Ryzen/AM4 because they'd need a new 1151v3 board anyway. OTOH the number of people buying CPUs and Motherboards is probably tiny compared to OEM sales so this is more about mindshare than anything else.
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eames posted:I didn't believe the 100/200 series rumor when I first read it but yeah, it'd make sense to try and keep potential upgraders on the Intel platform rather than making them switch to Ryzen/AM4 because they'd need a new 1151v3 board anyway. I wonder if its gonna be something like quad core Coffee Lake works on Z170+, but you will need Z370 for the six core models. Would make sense from a routing perspective.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:What additional routing would the 6 core need? It's the same 14nm+ process as Kaby, so I imagine power delivery will be different for a bigger, 6 core design and associated caches than the previous 4 core ones. Maybe they designed the socket with that extra power in mind from the start, but it sorta seems unlikely given that 1155 was already on the way when they realized 10nm was a disaster and they needed 2 generations of filler before Cannon Lake would be ready.
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I would not replace my z170 board to get a hexcore but if I could put one in it I probably would.
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EMIB is a packaging technique to avoid interposers but get the speed and electrical benefits Intel's equivalent of infinity fabric is omnipath or QPI
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eames posted:http://www.3dcenter.org has new info that lists Coffee Lake i5s as six core without HT and a smaller cache. Thanks Ryzen! Hmm...Do I build (or buy) a 6C/6T 8600K rig this fall or do I wait until my 2500K system shits the bed before finally upgrading? It would mostly be for gaming not for audio/video production or insane levels of multitasking.
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spasticColon posted:Hmm...Do I build (or buy) a 6C/6T 8600K rig this fall or do I wait until my 2500K system shits the bed before finally upgrading? It would mostly be for gaming not for audio/video production or insane levels of multitasking. If you are the guys who keep their CPUs for 5 years it makes little sense not to just spend $100 more for the top-binned HT and 4GHz+ stock clocked part plus the resale value. There are already games where even a stock 2600K beats a heavily OCed 2500K thanks to '~.more threads.~' Besides, these ain't the days where OCing a Celeron 300A to 450MHz will save ~$500 just on the CPU and get 95% of the performance versus a P3-500 while both would be completely obsoleted just 2 years later either way. Palladium fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Can someone please interpret the insane Intel system for me and recommend a high-clock/low-core (>= 3 GHz, 6-10C) and a low-clock (<3 GHz, 8-16 core) choice of E5 Xeons (2011-3) that gives me the best value for my money in a very shallow low-end build, let's say $200-400 budget? I could probably run up to 90W or so under non-AVX load. Real TDP, not paper TDP. Retail only, no ES/QS, but used is fine (even encouraged to get the cost down, I'm A-OK with server farm pulls). (I realize those numbers are probably hilariously optimistic but I'm totally willing to take whatever works and is cheap as long as it's a retail chip. I'm pricing out the Plans B to Threadripper for a luxury home NAS with a big-gun Xeon build.) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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eames posted:Yeah from what I understand EMIB is going to be a more flexible variant of Infinity Fabric. eames posted:I'm sure Apple would be happy to have their proprietary ARM chip design for the Secure Enclave, TouchID and Touch bar integrated into the CPU (or SOC really) package.
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I think 2011-3 is too new to get really good used deals yet. 2011 has some interesting options flooding the market from recent datacenter upgrades, the 2650 and 2670 are 8 core options with different clock speeds and wattages, The 2651 is a 12 core option still in the sub 150 range. They're all 2011 processors though, the 2650 and 2670 are Sandybridges and the 2651 is an Ivybridge.
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Palladium posted:If you are the guys who keep their CPUs for 5 years it makes little sense not to just spend $100 more for the top-binned HT and 4GHz+ stock clocked part plus the resale value. There are already games where even a stock 2600K beats a heavily OCed 2500K thanks to '~.more threads.~'
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Otakufag posted:Can you honestly say that games in the next 5 years will generally start utilizing more than 4 threads? I know they will eventually, but 5 years seems like a very short lapse in a slow evolving market that is usually dictated by the console segment. They already use 8 threads.
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A handful use lots of threads (GTA/Civ), the rest use like two most of the time. I don't think there's gonna be a sudden explosion in CPU parallelism. People predicted that 8 years ago (hence Bulldozer), and it never happened. But if intel slots the new 6's in where the Kaby 4's are pricewise, I would probably spring for the 6+HT cuz why not. Worth the extra $100 to add some extra future proofing.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Can someone please interpret the insane Intel system for me and recommend a high-clock/low-core (>= 3 GHz, 6-10C) and a low-clock (<3 GHz, 8-16 core) choice of E5 Xeons (2011-3) that gives me the best value for my money in a very shallow low-end build, let's say $200-400 budget? I could probably run up to 90W or so under non-AVX load. Real TDP, not paper TDP. Retail only, no ES/QS, but used is fine (even encouraged to get the cost down, I'm A-OK with server farm pulls). A bit optimistic, yes. Within just Broadwell, your best options at that range are E5-2620 v4 (8C/16T, 2.1 base/3.0 max turbo) and E5-1630v4 (4C/8T, 3.7/4.0). To get 6+ cores at 3+ GHz you need to go up to at least the E5-1650 v4 (6C/12T, 3.6/4.0) for $617. Here's a list of Socket 2011 Xeons - if you zoom out enough you'll get a sortable price column to go with the cores/speeds. e: Oh, and you're not going to get over 3GHz and under 90W for cheap - the 1630 above is 140W TDP. E5-2618L v4 is 10C/20T 2.2/3.2 in 75W but it's $779. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:I'm pricing out the Plans B to Threadripper for a luxury home NAS with a big-gun Xeon build. Just use Threadripper.
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Cygni posted:A handful use lots of threads (GTA/Civ), the rest use like two most of the time. It seems a little crazy that devs don't commit resources to it. My i5-760 is old as hell (8y?), and I remember all the times I waited for something amazing to come along. Ryzen is the only one to really make things look different, but it's gonna take a Zen+ before I find it polished enough to try. https://twitter.com/digitalfoundry/status/883985273683681280
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Otakufag posted:Can you honestly say that games in the next 5 years will generally start utilizing more than 4 threads? I know they will eventually, but 5 years seems like a very short lapse in a slow evolving market that is usually dictated by the console segment. quite a few games run substantially better on equivalently clocked i7s than i5s; it's really up to you whether you think that's worth it at the point of purchase to eke out that last bit of perf. note that it's pretty much impossible to 'future proof' when building a pc so just go with what suits you best. ryzen could end up magically curbstomping its contemporaries in the magical multithreaded benchmarks of the future but there's no way to actually know for sure. ufarn posted:Might happen with the next generation of AMD-based consoles considering how bottlenecked the current generation has been with pre-Ryzen CPUs, but who knows what happens before that. ehhh i think the bottlenecks with the current gen really lie with gpu power and memory bandwidth more than anything else. the jaguar cores aren't too bad, at least compared to their amd desktop contemporaries. while there seem to be pretty hard limits on how much you can multithread games, a lot of cpu bottleneck issues can probably be laid at the feet of devs. not that it's necessarily their fault; it's just that the hectic pace of game development is pretty much the personification of the 'the moment it works, ship it' philosophy Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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CPU performance in gaming may not matter much at 30 (console) or 60 FPS (PC) but it does matter at higher refresh rates. Destiny 2 performance will be interesting to watch. The dev comments make it sound like a heavily multithreaded game that'll run fine at 30 FPS on a PS4 Pro or Xbox One but requires serious CPU horsepower to drive anywhere near 144 FPS on the PC. If these types of game engines become more common in the near future then 4C/4T potatoes of any clockspeed will run trouble. Then again you could argue that most people with i5 PCs don't own high refresh rate panels and you'd probably be right. 
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I have an i7 and an xb271; checks out.
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Anyone have experience delidding a 6700k? I have one core that gets 13C hotter than the others when playing some games, up to 86C spikes at times. Fairly certain the cryorig h7 is mounted properly with max-4 paste and I have no desire to go water. My idles temps are between 25-30C.
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Otakufag posted:Can you honestly say that games in the next 5 years will generally start utilizing more than 4 threads? I know they will eventually, but 5 years seems like a very short lapse in a slow evolving market that is usually dictated by the console segment.
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So it's an a+ Dwarf Fortress upgrade. Cool.
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Generic Monk posted:
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