Absurd Alhazred posted:

https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/887170954476040192

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

to be fair gently caress the Hasidic community

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

huh, so *that's* the guy who dressed up like elmo and shouted anti-semitic stuff in the park

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

to be fair gently caress the Hasidic community

GalacticAcid posted:

A woman named Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is running against Crowley in the primary. It seems like she's still getting her poo poo together and I don't really know anything about her personally.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Which one? As far as I know, there are quite a few, distinguished by the great Rabbi they follow. Plus, the Lithuanian/Misnagdim communities look very similar on the surface but are actually distinct.

Matt Zerella posted:

the ones I lived near in Williamsburg 5 years ago were loving terrible. sexist signs posted up that women should step aside for men and my wife got sexually harassed by a few of them, including the guy who showed us our apartment who wouldn't shake her hand but was very thirsty with her on email.

she read into them and the way they treat the women in their community is godawful.

get that OUT of my face posted:

a few years ago (((they))) allowed women to study at secular colleges and

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Which one? As far as I know, there are quite a few, distinguished by the great Rabbi they follow. Plus, the Lithuanian/Misnagdim communities look very similar on the surface but are actually distinct.

get that OUT of my face posted:

speaking of orthodox judaism, nobody's mentioned that David Greenfield isn't running for another term

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

He is, of course, going right into grifting

get that OUT of my face posted:

har har

for real though, the satmars are theocrats. somebody threw bleach in a rabbi's face because he was talking about child abuse that goes on there and the assaulter got no jail time

speaking of orthodox judaism, nobody's mentioned that David Greenfield isn't running for another term

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

The problem is, there is no way to criticize the overwhelmingly jewish landlords without being accused of antisemitism. Ultimately it's classism and no one is interesting in even addressing it. De Blasio campaigned on it, and promptly forgot it after his "tale of two cities" reference and his successful campaign.

Taintrunner posted:

abolish landlords, problem solved

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Oh I 100% agree with you, and I have read a lot about abusive NYC landlords over the years. The problem is, there is no way to criticize the overwhelmingly jewish landlords without being accused of antisemitism. Ultimately it's classism and no one is interesting in even addressing it. De Blasio campaigned on it, and promptly forgot it after his "tale of two cities" reference and his successful campaign.

Taintrunner posted:

its more profitable to own empty buildings

Mechafunkzilla posted:

The ultraorthodox are kind of their own thing and they're pretty much all awful. But if you want to discuss them don't just say "Jewish". It's like if you were talking about the Amish, but only referred to them as "Christians".

get that OUT of my face posted:

don't empty buildings, by the very nature of them having no tenants, bring in no money whatsoever? i guess slumlords and real estate developers have a lot of gently caress you money that they can afford to lose some of it while waiting for a bank or whatever to move in when the price is right and the neighborhood is ready

Matt Zerella posted:

https://twitter.com/NassauDSA/status/887744044943716354

Schumer and Gillibrand are cosponsors of said bill.

Matt Zerella posted:

https://twitter.com/NassauDSA/status/887744044943716354

Schumer and Gillibrand are cosponsors of said bill.

Ol Standard Retard posted:

uhhhh how is this constitutional? I've been asking that question a lot these days so maybe I shouldn't be surprised but what the gently caress? Authoritarian is right, holy poo poo.

Hulk Krogan posted:

Didn't Cuomo back a similar bill at the state level a while back?

MizPiz posted:

Could be wrong, but I think it's one of those Producers loopholes where having something that, at least on the books, loses money enables you to make even more of a profit.

get that OUT of my face posted:

her site says "Join me if you believe healthcare and education are rights, not privileges." she's backed by Justice Democrats and was an organizer for the Bernie campaign. sounds like she's worth backing even if it'll be an uphill battle

Matt Zerella posted:

https://twitter.com/NassauDSA/status/887744044943716354

Schumer and Gillibrand are cosponsors of said bill.

MizPiz posted:

You sometimes have to wonder if zionists are intentionally trying to spread anti-Semitism.

quote:

Israel Anti-Boycott Act

This bill declares that Congress: (1) opposes the United Nations Human Rights Council resolution of March 24, 2016, which urges countries to pressure companies to divest from, or break contracts with, Israel; and (2) encourages full implementation of the United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act of 2014 through enhanced, governmentwide, coordinated U.S.-Israel scientific and technological cooperation in civilian areas.

The bill amends the Export Administration Act of 1979 to declare that it shall be U.S. policy to oppose:

requests by foreign countries to impose restrictive practices or boycotts against other countries friendly to the United States or against U.S. persons; and
restrictive trade practices or boycotts fostered or imposed by an international governmental organization, or requests to impose such practices or boycotts, against Israel.
The bill prohibits U.S. persons engaged in interstate or foreign commerce from:

requesting the imposition of any boycott by a foreign country against a country which is friendly to the United States; or
supporting any boycott fostered or imposed by an international organization, or requesting imposition of any such boycott, against Israel.
The bill amends the Export-Import Bank Act of 1945 to include as a reason for the Export-Import Bank to deny credit applications for the export of goods and services between the United States and foreign countries, opposition to policies and actions that are politically motivated and are intended to penalize or otherwise limit commercial relations specifically with citizens or residents of Israel, entities organized under the laws of Israel, or the Government of Israel.

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Whether it would ban roger waters or not, it's a lovely bill.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

So I'm reading the bill summary, and I can't find where it would ban Roger Waters:


If you look at the original law, it's all about reporting foreign government requests for boycott and not complying with them. I guess they're adding international organizations to this list, so an American company would have to report and not comply with requests from international pro-BDS organizations; except some American organizations call for BDS as well (and they're not "engaged in interstate and foreign commerce"), and Roger Waters is not a US person.

Badger of Basra posted:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/888053175155949572

who knew these things could get done so quick

Mechafunkzilla posted:

The ultraorthodox are kind of their own thing and they're pretty much all awful. But if you want to discuss them don't just say "Jewish". It's like if you were talking about the Amish, but only referred to them as "Christians".

get that OUT of my face posted:

i met a non-hasidic guy who lives in Borough Park and he says that all the different hasidic communities there don't like each other. they're definitely not a unified front,

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

the satmar are by far the worst but the belz and even Chabad-Lubavitch sects have their own awful practices, especially wrt children

CaptainPsyko posted:

Here's a thought:

Criticize landlords.

Criticize abusive Jewish theocrats.

Don't try to connect the two because they are unrelated things and trying to do so just makes you sound like a racist rear end in a top hat.

99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

He is, of course, going right into grifting

get that OUT of my face posted:

for real though, the satmars are theocrats. somebody threw bleach in a rabbi's face because he was talking about child abuse that goes on there and the assaulter got no jail time

get that OUT of my face posted:

but i can't hang with gender segregation and the general second-class citizen status of women (although Rachel "Ruchie" Freier is a great success story)

get that OUT of my face posted:

those are the satmars and they're the worst of the hasidic groups. a few years ago they allowed women to study at secular colleges and universities only to say "loljk" a couple years later. a group of them moved up to Rockland County because of a dispute over which brother is the legitimate leader, and they're even more theocratic than the ones in Williamsburg and Borough Park. they're hardcore enough that they oppose the existence of Israel based on religious grounds- they held an anti-Israel rally at Barclays Center a month ago

hotchanie69 posted:

ugh


yeah, their being "pretty much all awful" is why some of The Good Ones get faced with physical violence from enlightened citizens that are lashing out at backwards evil people, since they all look the same...

try not to assume every hasidic man is a pervert, rapist or racist until he does something to you plz and plz don't try to make hasidic women uncomfortable to laugh at what prudes they must be for not wanting you to sit too close to them like creeps do. some ppl like to whisper creepy things to frum women thinking that none of them speak english and understand what sucking dick or loving might be



to say nothing of the loving chabad treatment of women, wow... but okay

a totally inaccurate and biased Hasidic Bullshit 101:
hasidim a mostly unified front for issues that impact the levels that they share, insofar as need for land/space and socioeconomic concerns as with with tax codes, social service funding (especially for special education).

that said:
skver and vizhnitz are the most 'extreme'/fundamentalist sects present in decent numbers in brooklyn (since Neturei Karta doesn't have a lot of numbers, still has a presence at anti-Zionist actions). satmar has the largest population between KJ, willi, BP.

upstate skverers set a man's house on fire for starting a prayer group at a nursing home, still within ideological lines of skver but not under the rebbe's direct control, and when he was getting his family out he got set on fire.

hasidim. loving. love. fire.
holiday with fire?! gently caress yeasss, burn everything!!!
holiday without fire? some rebbe at one point surely set something on fire for celebration so let's do that too! !! !


but, the kicker is:
sectarian affiliation means very little for individual behaviors unless you've got a hardcore ideologue on your hands.
our example Everyman Hasid will daven (pray) at a shul (synagogue) of one affiliation while their sons go to a secondary school of another affiliation and their daughters go to an unaffiliated secondary school and their wife sits on a parenting board affiliated with yet another sect but the Everyman still wears a hat that is associated with the rabbinical dynasty that he grew up being educated with/his (grand)father's sect so if anything the gang colors of sectarian affiliation are a better indicator of ethnic identity until further details are found out from the individuals.

but, bloc voting affiliation is determined, generally, by hat.

neturei karta wear the same hats as some Satmar, but Upstate and Downstate Satmar wear different hats and have similar voting patterns due to the socioeconomic concerns of their communities, which drives taking land from surrounding communities in Bed-Stuy or in Orange/Rockland counties and rezoning land to enable building huge, ugly houses and educational complexes if they cannot take over buildings left by the former residents of the area.

belz and bobov (very, very large sects in boro park, with some representation in williamsburg) wear the same hats and can be told apart by whether the man is wearing a certain type of belt on weekdays.
there are a lot of lil podunk backwater chassidic sects that people simply assume are parts of larger ones because of the hats that the men wear.

chabad-lubavitch wear hats nothing like other hasidic sects because Chabad are essentially no longer hasidic, so much as a hasidic-derived religious community with a variety of internal sectarian divides with deepening differences, ripe for a schism or two. their Russian/Litvak origin always had them ethnically outside the bounds of normal/general hasidic communities.
also, their food simply sucks and they drink too much.

chabad are worse than other hasidim when it comes to education for their children, following the death of their Rebbe a few decades ago, with zero English education whereas yiddish-speaking hasidim will have English education prior to bar mitzvah age for the boys and longer for girls, but because there are Chabad Houses as a presence on college campuses Chabad-Lubavitch is seen as more modern and assumed to be better about education, child abuse, sexual abuse, tax fraud, social service fraud, racism (unless you know about those Crown Heights riots), and everything that outsiders generally only associate with hasidim that have long, curled sidelocks/payos.

another shity thing: Chabad also do not hold by religious law that allows people to push strollers on the sabbath and holidays, using what's called an eruv (that wire or string thing sometimes gets writen about outside of jewish communities when people complain about real estate costs). not holding by an eruv leaves their women housebound for all significant religious and social gatherings but they're women so what does chabad care when it should just be a bunch of sloppy dressed men getting drunk to celebrate The Rebbe.
lubavitchers actively vandalize the structures of other Jewish sects or communities when they are in conflict with Chabad ideology, all while presenting a happy-go-lucky "chassidus means bringing joy and light to the world !!!" public image. sometimes they hire goyim to do the vandalizing for them

satmar and lubavitch used to get into huge streetfights with each other, with dozens of men just marching to each other's hoods to start poo poo. we can only hope that such good days can come again to brooklyn!!

chabad are seen as modern because they use Instagram and are those fuckers standing around asking, "excuse me, sir, are you Jewish?", as part of their evangelical outreach programs that aim to get every Jew on board with their specific, niche ideology in order to bring about the Messianic Age (which is what those yellow flags represent). if you are a woman that responds to that kind of thing they'll offer you shabbos candles and recipes to bake bread for your husband, like a good lil wifey!! if your gender is ambiguous and they think you are a man they will let you wrap tefillin but if they find our you "should be" a woman they will be very upset because you should be making bread and babies

in politics Chabad-Lubavitch throws money and marketing efforts into political things with the same semi lowkey sneakiness as the Mormon Church (with whom they share many commonalities, as stated with that evangelical outreach and smiley sunshine misogyny routine).

while Satmar may be much more boorish and look more alien (especially when they sexually harassing you), they want to be left the gently caress alone to LARP their fantasy version of 17th century Eastern Europe complete with wife beating and hiring exorcists through advertisements in yiddish language newspapers, where as Chabad-Lubavitch's Mendy, Menachem and Mendy want to lead you to believe that their LARP of 17th century fantasy values is somehow compatible with modern life while taking your money until they exclude you for not stepping up to their level of observance or deviating from it once you've been suckered into it. they believe, moreso that other hasidim, that the rebbe's predecessors and The Rebbe, represent the One True Judaism and that their culture is the one true way to be jewish

tl;dr = it's chabad are the truly worst but they have better marketing and act like they don't hate you, while other hasidim don't bother with pretense

satmar have done worse for the image and relationship people have w jews in NY because of things like B&H camera's racism and satmar real estate deals and satmar men beating up gay black men and leaving them blind in one eye, while on a national and global level chabad-lubavitch is far worse poo poo

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are kinda affiliated with Chabad, while there are conspiracy theories (okay... stories) about how Hillary Clinton was loving some rebbe upstate because she was friendly with upstate hasidim while campaigning on state levels and then again while trying to be president.

so, may that hopefully illustrate who the real problem is


yeah, basically this, plz


yeah, this is going to get lovely. was hoping he'd have more class than this.


Agudath Israel of America has been allying with the Boyscouts of America and the Roman Catholic church to block the Child Victims Act.

sunday there is going to be a protest outside of the Novominsker Yeshiva in boro park, organized by an advovacy group called ZAAKAH. it is on FB

there are hasidic, yeshivish, and just-plain-orthodox jews that are protesting the sex abuse coverups within haredi communities (aka ultra-orthodox, the umbrella term that covers hasidic and yeshivish communities).

at the last protest a man came out to yell at the protestors and told women that they were behaving immodestly by protesting and would die within a couple of years because of such behavior...

yes, a female puppet is a great stride forward for frum women! !!


the recent rally was aimed to protest military drafts in israel that impact haredi communities (not solely Satmar), but yes, they are religious antizionists. before the rally there were trucks circling in boro bark (and i assume Williamsburg/Bed-Stuy and maybe Flatbush/midwood) announcing the rally to community members that do not follow either Satmar Twitter accounts or any of the mass-mailers, shul postings, or word of mouth about such big rallies.

hasidic groups also sometimes rent out Barclay's and CITI Field for anti-internet/anti-smartphone rallies

fyi, the location for KJ was chosen by the OG satmar rebbe, yoel teitelbaum, before his death. ahron and zalman just drew party lines that included different areas. boro park satmar are seen as less frum than williamsburg and satmar in kiryas joel/yoel are another issue, despite who they affiliate with or in spite of maybe

satmar also had the issue with women driving a few years back. williamsburg, of course. so boro park may be a little like jewish Turkey under Erdogan and the more modern young communtiies are the kurds (if the kurds could mvoe to staten island or NJ to get away from bullshit...), williamsburg wants to be saudi arabia but they;re more like UAE with their realty obsession and exploitation of foreign labor to build tacky things with no building safety standards

soon one boro park rabbi is moving, with a lot of his followers, to a small town in NJ where there is an orthodox but not hasidic community already. the jews already there are pretty upset that hasidim are moving in becuse people already there moved to NJ to get away from hasidic politics, drama and problems. the already there jews are too upset to realize that a lot of the hasidim are moving because they are sick of the same poo poo, but they all look the same so...

hth