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neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007

Kromlech posted:

Upward mobility.


Are we trusting CIG's promotional art as representative of actual gameplay now?

It punches above its weight

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Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?

ManofManyAliases posted:

OOoh, I want to be the stealth trickster slash legal-team accountant special agent. Can I? CAN I?

You can be the disposable grunt that somehow refuses to go away.....no wait that can be derek.

aleksendr
May 14, 2014

xXAdmiralBekHarXx posted:

The kiosks in 3.0 sell things for UEC.

But does it sell ships ?

We all know the day they allow to buy ships in game is the death kneel of funding.

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

ManofManyAliases posted:

OOoh, I want to be the stealth trickster slash legal-team accountant special agent. Can I? CAN I?

You're definitely going to be a robot man once I get around to making those. You'll unceremoniously crash through the wall directly into the middle of enemy groups.

runsamok
Jan 12, 2011

SelenicMartian posted:

The driver and the passenger hold crates in their hands and stack them on the hood.


zcrow
May 6, 2014

Ah.. yeah... um... tup tup tup tup tup.. this is something we'll add down the line

Meridian posted:

Alright fam, pending game installation and mod updates here's our current squad:

TheAgent - Sharpshooter (Sniper)
Polish Avenger - Ranger
Big Nipples Big Life - Grenadier, always extra grenades.
Beet Wagon - Ranger
Jobbo Fett - Grenadier
Beer - Grenadier
Trucutru - Ranger
Hav - Specialist
happyhippy - Specalist (Monty Python)
Eldragon - Sharpshooter (Gunslinger)
Ash1138 - Specialist
Quavers - Ranger

If anyone else wants in, let me know and I'll make it happen. Those of you that didn't specify class I stuck as specialists, the good news is that pretty much guarantees I'll be using you at some point. Taking votes for future LP style update posts, or possible youtube series.

Can I be the combat medic that punches above my weight, but is still stealthy?

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014


You'll be happy to know Big Nips was carrying the team last night.

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

zcrow posted:

Can I be the combat medic that punches above my weight, but is still stealthy?

I can make you a combat medic that runs away from the battle. Yes. I might have to throw everyone's names into a list generator since our roster is getting big. I'm very proud of you all willing to sacrifice yourselves for our entertainment.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

aleksendr posted:

Then what is the buggy shooting at in the promotional image ?

Incoming effort;

I'd like to introduce people to the MRLS.


This puppy was the last word in mobile artillery up until around the start of the 21st Century. Built on the Bradley chassis, it's main function was to gently caress up something up to 300km away, then displace to avoid counter-battery fire. In terms of freedom delivery;

quote:

A typical MLRS cluster salvo consisted of three M270 vehicles each firing all 12 rockets. With each rocket containing 644 M77 grenades, the entire salvo would drop 23,184 grenades in the target area. However, with a two percent dud rate, that would leave approximately 400 undetonated bombs scattered over the area, which could endanger friendly troops and civilians.

They nicknamed it the 'Grid Square Removal System'

It can carry a guided munition, but can only carry 2 versus the 12 rockets. The actual payload bay is split into two, and can be swapped out with a winch system.


(6 rocket mag pictured)



Here it is cloaking with a rocket. Note nominal exhaust.



After the fourth rocket in the salvo.

That provides a bit of background to taking another look at the crew compartment;



Note the small, armored windows - during firing these are protected with armored louvres - and quite serious door. The crew compartment is over-pressured (means that it leaks air, but bad stuff doesn't come in) and they stay inside while firing. One, for the exhaust, two, because the exhaust is toxic.

Now, there is an argument to be made that the buggy is firing a SAM in much the same way as a Technical. Later.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Meridian posted:

You'll be happy to know Big Nips was carrying the team last night.

:smuggo:

Sir Simon Milligan
Mar 27, 2003

Yes, I have walked along the path of evil many times, it's a twisting curving path, that actually leads to a charming block garden, but beyond that evil!


Haha, perfect.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

:yikes:

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

ManofManyAliases posted:

OOoh, I want to be the stealth trickster slash legal-team accountant special agent. Can I? CAN I?

You don't understand XCOM2 development.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

MilesK posted:

I thought it was Triple AAA.

Triple AAA. Quadruple A. Whatever it takes!

quote:

Also whatever happened to Karl?

I'm not sure though I've not paid too close attention to the human timebombs out there. When it comes to the defense force, I prefer snarky but reasonable MOMA-types over the M.O.B.A.-types like Karl. Tick tock, indeed!

Meridian posted:

Good morning, space friends.

Hey Meredian if you're still taking names for Xcom squaddies, I'd love to be up in dat. I'm biased towards robots but whatever class you're short on is cool.

G0RF fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jul 21, 2017

xXAdmiralBekHarXx
Jul 11, 2017

by zen death robot

aleksendr posted:

But does it sell ships ?

We all know the day they allow to buy ships in game is the death kneel of funding.

I dunno but if they go through with it at the very least it means they are declaring beta.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





ManofManyAliases posted:

OOoh, I want to be the stealth trickster slash legal-team accountant special agent. Can I? CAN I?

I got you covered, man

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Hav posted:


Bradley


Isn't the Bradley the tank that went through CIG style refactoring?

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Meridian posted:

You're definitely going to be a robot man once I get around to making those. You'll unceremoniously crash through the wall directly into the middle of enemy groups.

:perfect:

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Beet Wagon posted:

I got you covered, man



I don't get it - where am I?

Enchanted Hat
Aug 18, 2013

Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

Hav posted:

I'd like to introduce people to the MRLS.



This thing looks like it means business. Also, you could probably do a cargo variant if you wanted to by replacing the rocket section with a big box. Basically, this is better in every way than the Tumbril.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
And here I was thinking MOMA didn't lack vision :(

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





ManofManyAliases posted:

I don't get it - where am I?



:smuggo:

(I'm just screwing around figuring out how to mod the pilots in this thing, I'll put you in proper later)

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Beet Wagon posted:



:smuggo:

(I'm just screwing around figuring out how to mod the pilots in this thing, I'll put you in proper later)

But I'm not Toast . . .

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice
As far back as late 2014, having completely missing the original Nov 2014 ship date, increased the project scope and funding to the tune of $65M, they were still doing bullshots being passed off as in-game, while touting this massive world they claim they were building.

quote:

"The cities are done to such a level of detail that it would be totally impractical to build each one from scratch," Zurovec said. "As a result, we've adopted a multi-step process whereupon once the art assets have been created and properly set up, we can quickly create a lot of areas that look dramatically different."
- Tony Zurovek, Polygon Interview 2014

Really, nothing's changed. At least they've been consistent.

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

Beet Wagon posted:



:smuggo:

(I'm just screwing around figuring out how to mod the pilots in this thing, I'll put you in proper later)

beltman lmao

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

G0RF posted:

Hey Meredian if you're still taking names for Xcom squaddies, I'd love to be up in dat. I'm biased towards robots but whatever class you're short on is cool.

I got you buddy.

tastychicken
Jul 17, 2007
Title text goes here
I can be another bullet sponge if you need those!

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Enchanted Hat posted:

This thing looks like it means business. Also, you could probably do a cargo variant if you wanted to by replacing the rocket section with a big box. Basically, this is better in every way than the Tumbril.

Nah we have other vehicles for cargo and utility that do that poo poo way better

Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler
You know, now that I think about it. The Tumbril is not only a poorly designed concept, it also is weird when compared to things they have sold before.

Like, this setting has hoverbikes. Why did they return to wheeled buggys?

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

Why is the future space buggy shooting rockets anyways. Shouldn't they have a rail gun or space laser

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Sappo569 posted:

Why is the future space buggy shooting rockets anyways. Shouldn't they have a rail gun or space laser

You can't charge $70 for photons. Never mind, CIG probably could.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

aleksendr posted:

Aside the stupid name, what is the gameplay point of this thing ? i understand CIG would sell anything for more money, but i cant answer the "Why ?" question.

I mean if i get a flying, athmosphere capable basic free ship (Starter Aurora) that can go faster, over water without the risk of flipping and can land anywhere, why do i need a buggy ?

What scenario do i need the buggy for ?

Wreck salvage ? Land near the wreck.
Cargo retrival ? Land where the cargo is.
Mission ? Land near the mission giver, fly to the mission site, fly back. In a straight line. gently caress mountains and rivers.

Last consideration : If point of interest are so far away i need a buggy to get from one to the other, its better to take my ship. If they are too close, its simpler to walk.

Where does this fricking buggy fit in ?

This will be the only vehicle you will be able to afford. AFTER you have worked a few months on my ship.

Enchanted Hat posted:

You know, the wheel thing and the lack of windows are stupid from a realism perspective, but in a video game you'd just code it so they wouldn't be a problem.

The sale page says that it's meant for cargo transport. How many of those standardised cargo crates that CIG were showing off for 3.0 do you think you could fit in the back of this thing? I'm thinking maybe two. If they want to make a land-based cargo vehicle, why not make it a truck or something? Something that could actually carry a bit of cargo.



Clearly it is for small, high value cargo. This stealthy vehicle is perfect for slipping past blockades.

tax edit:

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Xaerael posted:

Isn't the Bradley the tank that went through CIG style refactoring?

Yeah, it's the subject of 'Pentagon Wars'. The original procurement request was for something that could fight alongside the Abrams M-1 and take out an MBT. The contractor avoided any actual testing until the Pentagon insisted, and then they found that it wouldn't stand up to nominal fire because they had to remove all the armor. Oh, and it would tend to explode.

It led to a massive shakeup of military procurement that led to decent procurement of the A-10 and another platform I forget; something that has again been eroded until we got the F-35.

So Technicals. This is the term for pretty much any platform that has been modified from it's original purpose, and _generally_ relates to the assymetric warfare practice of welding a 20mm cannon or other mounted weapon on the back of (traditionally) a Toyota hilux. Daesh had a lot of these because they couldn't work the tanks they stole. Weirdly, they're also in use in regular forces;



That's a Mexican army SA-18 mounted on the back of a Mercedes-Benz Unimog. Note that it's a manned turret, because you have to acquire the target.

The SA-18 is from a family called MANPADS, or the easy to say man-portable air defense system which covers all light SAMs; the common thread amongst all of them being that they have extremely limited engagement ranges, and can be spoofed fairly easily, or out-turned. The SA-18 has an engagement range of 6km.

What does any of this mean? Well, the buggy is firing from a mounted rack. This does not allow for target following, and even if you sci-fi it, you'd still need a bore-sight. Even then, a platform that size isn't going to be able to engage something transonic, which I would presume the spacecraft are.

If you don't know your military history, you probably won't know about the U2 program. Very long to short story, this was a super-classified extremely high-altitude platform that we used to fly over Russia on the basis that missiles couldn't reach it. So the Soviets strapped a booster to a SAM.



This is the SA-2. The V-750VN missile has a 29-34km range and can reach the stratosphere; it still took nineteen launched to get three hits on the U-2. This is more normal for static air defenses, but it's still a fifty year old platform. *This* is what you'd need to hit a transonic spacecraft, but I question the loving wisdom. Why? Next....

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Eldragon posted:

While its fun to mock the lack of realism in CIG's latest concept art, Its kind of moot. Very few sci-fi spaceships are even close to realistic at all. Unrealistic bullshit is part of the fun.


Exactly. A buggy that you can deploy is certainly cool and fun. But unless the gameplay you do with the buggy cannot be done with your ship, it's pointless.

Elite has a buggy, and they forced an annoying collection mechanic into it, but its otherwise lovely gameplay.

This is 100% collecting money from idiots, and a cues to the fact the CIG spends more time making a game that takes place on planets instead of spaceships. Its hard to believe there was a time when SC wasn't even going to have land-able planets at all, it was a loving space game.

You goon there were always planets

FUD! FUD!

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
I was just in a star citizen thread on reddit and holy poo poo derek smart is like satan to them

quote:

He considers himself overshadowed by Chris Roberts early on and he blames Chris Roberts and the Publishers from back then for his career completely tanking. Once the greats of space gaming: Chris Roberts, left to make movies, David Braben, was busy with other things. It was finally derek's moment to shine.

The field was all open for derek smart to cement himself as the space genre game development great. There was literally no competition. But derek had burned all his bridges. He had burned bridges with other developers because he considered himself better than everyone else. He had burned bridges with publishers because he could never deliver a product on time and always blamed his failures on them. He also never brought someone their tuna melt sandwich.

So even if derek was capable of making a great game, he was left out in the cold. Blacklisted from all the publishers for failure after failure and locked out from studios because he had cemented himself as someone incapable of working on teams. Alganon being the most recent team effort game that tanked under derek's watch. So for the past 20 years he has been making same tech demo over and over and over and over.

Always bug fixing but never properly released. You can go see a game he released 5-10 years ago and you will see that they share the same design formats, same language, same game mechanics. He's been producing the same drat piece of tech demo for the last 20 years.

Then comes this small team of 10 devs out of Texas that ran a wildly successful kickstarter campaign. derek initially tweeted at that time that the dinosaurs, Roberts and Braben were going to make a space game. derek smart thought here he was, a successful game developer with multiple games unable to hack it how were these dinosaurs going to do any better? Well Elite did quite well for itself but Star Citizen was the run away success. Most triple AAA titles don't have the time of funding Star Citizen does. All this time there was so much capital waiting to be harnessed and used. derek smart was sitting right on top of OVER 100 MILLION DOLLARS but he never realized it. The was literally no competition in the field. All derek had to do was develop a game that could get people excited enough to give him the money.

Instead it was Chris Roberts, derek smart's old nemesis the developer of the great Wing Commander series that came out of nowhere and took the entire game industry by storm. Chris Roberts tapped into the market that derek had no idea existed and successfully pitched a game to the masses for over 100 million dollars.
Sandi Gardiner the VP of marketing played a key role in tapping into that market. Because she is such a key person at CIG, she has had more influence on the gaming industry in the few years that she has been involved in the project than derek smart has had all of his career.

So yeah it really burns.

This reads like the statement put out by a communist country on why great leader's former comrades "betrayed" the revolution and thus needs to be purged

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Hav posted:

Yeah, it's the subject of 'Pentagon Wars'. The original procurement request was for something that could fight alongside the Abrams M-1 and take out an MBT. The contractor avoided any actual testing until the Pentagon insisted, and then they found that it wouldn't stand up to nominal fire because they had to remove all the armor. Oh, and it would tend to explode.

It led to a massive shakeup of military procurement that led to decent procurement of the A-10 and another platform I forget; something that has again been eroded until we got the F-35.

So Technicals. This is the term for pretty much any platform that has been modified from it's original purpose, and _generally_ relates to the assymetric warfare practice of welding a 20mm cannon or other mounted weapon on the back of (traditionally) a Toyota hilux. Daesh had a lot of these because they couldn't work the tanks they stole. Weirdly, they're also in use in regular forces;



That's a Mexican army SA-18 mounted on the back of a Mercedes-Benz Unimog. Note that it's a manned turret, because you have to acquire the target.

The SA-18 is from a family called MANPADS, or the easy to say man-portable air defense system which covers all light SAMs; the common thread amongst all of them being that they have extremely limited engagement ranges, and can be spoofed fairly easily, or out-turned. The SA-18 has an engagement range of 6km.

What does any of this mean? Well, the buggy is firing from a mounted rack. This does not allow for target following, and even if you sci-fi it, you'd still need a bore-sight. Even then, a platform that size isn't going to be able to engage something transonic, which I would presume the spacecraft are.

If you don't know your military history, you probably won't know about the U2 program. Very long to short story, this was a super-classified extremely high-altitude platform that we used to fly over Russia on the basis that missiles couldn't reach it. So the Soviets strapped a booster to a SAM.



This is the SA-2. The V-750VN missile has a 29-34km range and can reach the stratosphere; it still took nineteen launched to get three hits on the U-2. This is more normal for static air defenses, but it's still a fifty year old platform. *This* is what you'd need to hit a transonic spacecraft, but I question the loving wisdom. Why? Next....

https://youtu.be/aXQ2lO3ieBA

Bradley clip from p wars

Virtual Captain
Feb 20, 2017

Archive Priest of the Stimperial Order

Star Citizen Good, in all things forevermore. Amen.
:pray:

MinorInconvenience posted:

The thing that kills me is that they could have made the low axel a functional thing. Think of it. Low axel for stability and stealth. Then switch to high axel mode for clearance and off road capability. CIG is completely without real creativity. loving worthless plagiarists and hacks. Copying is all they know what to do.

I'm gonna lol if they find out CryEngine/Lumberyard doesn't support this kind of axle - wheel offset from center, but who am I kidding this thing is never gonna make it out of the greybox phase.

Virtual Captain fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jul 21, 2017

AbstractNapper
Jun 5, 2011

I can help
random thought of the day.

They announce a Star Citizen card game at GamesCom.

Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Virtual Captain posted:

I'm gonna lol if they find out CryEngine/Lumberyard doesn't support this kind of axel - wheel offset from center, but who am I kidding this thing is never gonna make it out of the greybox phase.

Lol if you think they aren't just making art assets

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The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Enchanted Hat posted:

You know, the wheel thing and the lack of windows are stupid from a realism perspective, but in a video game you'd just code it so they wouldn't be a problem.

The sale page says that it's meant for cargo transport. How many of those standardised cargo crates that CIG were showing off for 3.0 do you think you could fit in the back of this thing? I'm thinking maybe two. If they want to make a land-based cargo vehicle, why not make it a truck or something? Something that could actually carry a bit of cargo.



When somebody tells me they're getting cargo shipped in, I ask them what model of gocart they're going to use to ship with and how many runs it will take.

Also, though I hate to nitpick artistic stuff since it's a game and if they want they can make this thing fly into space regardless:

1: It's obviously not a cargo transport. Nobody thinks "dune buggy" when they think "cargo transportation".

2: Stealth... not with those wheels. It's going to be very loud and the only stealthy thing you may have is when you turn it off and hide behind it. Then it just becomes your waist high cover system.

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