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hooah posted:Have you considered that it might be the fault of this DeskView program? I see, so having it work perfectly before the Creators update is entirely the programs fault?
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Robzilla posted:I see, so having it work perfectly before the Creators update is entirely the programs fault? If Microsoft changed something unrelated and they didn't adjust, yes?
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Jul 23, 2017 18:52
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Robzilla posted:I see, so having it work perfectly before the Creators update is entirely the programs fault? yes. hacks that mess with the windows UI have a notoriously short shelf life. they're not using any type of officially supported methods to do the things they do, so they tend to break whenever anything changes. then either the original programmer is still around and updates it, or they're not and it's gone. the really surprising thing here is that a program from the windows XP days worked for as long as it did.
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Why? Why the gently caress is Windows always doing some performance impairing poo poo in background? Today I noticed my system being pegged at 100% for no goddamn reason, and it turns out Windows is get logging some presumably useless poo poo I didn't opt into. This went on for almost ten minutes. The goddamn file in question is only 2MB large, so I'm not sure what ten minutes at 20MB/s did actually do!  Oh dear God, please get Shantanu Narayen to see the light and port the loving Creative Cloud to Linux, so I can leave this annoying as gently caress operating system! --edit: Oh for fucks sake, it's doing this whenever I play GTA5. So this goddamn operating system ate away at my write endurance whenever I played this game, and it was a lot. I'm so tired of this poo poo! --edit: Oh wow, I "fixed" it by setting it to read-only. Now Windows Defender is going at it, tracing some bullshit judging the filename, with constant 2MB/s while the game's running. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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isndl posted:Today I got a new one: hit the keyboard to wake the PC and get the lock screen, lock screen background appears and... that's it. No text or icons, no password entry field, hitting some more keys and clicking does nothing, wave the mouse and I can see the cursor move so it's not hard-locked. Try Ctrl-Alt-Del and the password field shows up and everything's back to normal. I can see the average home user being completely stumped and being forced to hit the power button by this though. That's weird -- it almost sounds like secure login spuriously enabled itself? What you describe is exactly what it looks like, except it does display text explaining to "Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to unlock".
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Jul 24, 2017 01:48
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Jan posted:That's weird -- it almost sounds like secure login spuriously enabled itself? What you describe is exactly what it looks like, except it does display text explaining to "Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to unlock". No clue, I haven't used secure login with Win10. My best guess is the script that pulls new backgrounds and cutesy labels from the cloud hiccuped and died and it was also supposed to set up the hooks for showing the password field.
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Jul 24, 2017 02:48
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Combat Pretzel posted:Why? Weirdly every mention I see on the internet of this same issue is complaining about it happening while playing GTA5. This is a feature that's been around since windows 8.1 and it doesn't seem to be a common issue until now. Why a system service designed to collect info on battery use during standby is being triggered by GTA is a good question.
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I have no idea. Someone however showed me where that stuff is actually configured. It's under Data Collector Sets -> Event Trace Sessions in Perfmon. I've actually deleted the relevant entry, because I'm not even sure why I'd need it or why it is enabled, because it's a high end desktop, not a laptop. GTA also seems to trigger some Windows Defender trace at 2MB/s, which was found in the same place in Perfmon. It had however a weird name with some UUID, so it probably gets created dynamically. Still have to try. What irks me mostly about it is that it yet again created a lot of writes on my SSD for an unknown time. Just a couple of months ago I had the SoftwareDistribution stuff generate like 2.4TB of writes because of some idiotic bug. Given that SSDs have quasi finite life, that sort of stuff is not appreciated. If that bug happened for a while, if the write rate of 20MB/s was consistent, that'd be 72GB per hour of gameplay. Not cool.
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Jul 24, 2017 03:47
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I like how you blame windows and not GTA5.
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Jul 24, 2017 04:40
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ratbert90 posted:I like how you blame windows and not GTA5. It's a windows service writing ridiculous amounts of performance data to a file in system32. It is absolutely windows' fault.
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Jul 24, 2017 04:56
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It's a service designed to only run while the computer is unattended, and if the incidence of it crapping out is significantly correlated to one specific program it's probably more likely some special thing that program is doing that's triggering Windows to believe it needs to run unattended diagnostics than a general Windows bug.
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Jul 24, 2017 06:18
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Windows 10: Your third party software is a piece of poo poo
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Your ssd with that happening probably still has more life than any platter hdd. They last a stupid long time now
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Jul 24, 2017 07:08
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It wouldn't surprise me if some overworked game dev flagged his executable for Windows logging for performance metrics then neglected to turn it off for release. Neither would it surprise me if the Defender trace is the result of some half baked copy protection that sets off flags. Given that it's consistent with one executable and absent of others, I'm inclined to blame the executable.
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Jul 24, 2017 07:23
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ratbert90 posted:I like how you blame windows and not GTA5. underage at the vape shop posted:Your ssd with that happening probably still has more life than any platter hdd. They last a stupid long time now Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 12:42
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Combat Pretzel posted:Why? Yeah, I have similar problems with the Compatibility Telemetry check thing. Slams the CPU at weird times and doesn't schedule as background priority. Thanks, Microsoft.
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Jul 24, 2017 15:19
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Jeoh posted:Windows 10: Your third party software is a piece of poo poo Have you read The Old New Thing? Raymond regularly posts about horrible poo poo being done by widely used software which Microsoft has implemented workarounds for to maintain compatibility when updating to a new OS or even just fixing bugs, because people are dumb and if two wrongs accidentally made a right they'd rather just leave it as-is. It's a semi-regular thing at Microsoft's scale to have a fix for a real problem end up breaking some major piece of software that somehow relied on that bug. I say the correct answer is to fix the problem and call out the broken software, but business politics seem to make the second part challenging for a lot of companies.
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Oh cool, his blog is still active. Something to read. Also, the OS reinstalled the trace after a reboot. 
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Jul 24, 2017 16:10
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All this background garbage is why I am considering going to Windows Enterprise LTSB. Pretty sure none of that trash is in that product.. It would be nice to know for sure.
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underage at the vape shop posted:Your ssd with that happening probably still has more life than any platter hdd. They last a stupid long time now Additionally a lot of these things that are supposedly writing 20 megabytes a minute to disk are actually resulting in much fewer writes to the SSD, because of how caching in the drive ends up working. Like that happened last year when people were freaking out about Chrome or Firefox apparently writing gigabytes of data a day as you browsed, but it was actually putting only a few megabytes a day onto disk.
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https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-that-are-removed-or-deprecated-in-windows-10-fall-creators-up They're trying to kill off screensavers! What the gently caress?
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I don't think I've used a screeensaver since Windows XP. Also, they have not been good since the Maze3D screensaver.
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Who cares about screensavers? Paint is getting deprecated! --edit: TCP Offload Engine is being removed? I thought the Chimney stack was such a big thing back in the day? Gotta read up on that. --edit: Oh hey, it was disabled by default since Win8/2012. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Yeeeeah, Microsoft doesn't trust your NIC as much as they used to.Double Punctuation posted:https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-that-are-removed-or-deprecated-in-windows-10-fall-creators-up  Not that I've used one in a decade but it's the principle of the thing.
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redeyes posted:All this background garbage is why I am considering going to Windows Enterprise LTSB. Pretty sure none of that trash is in that product.. It would be nice to know for sure.
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Double Punctuation posted:https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-that-are-removed-or-deprecated-in-windows-10-fall-creators-up The most Microsoft part of this update is that the Reader App is marked as Removed with a note that its functionality is "to be" integrated with Edge.
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Screensaver files are just normal Win32 applications anyway, so it's one of those things that should be easily doable with third party software once the Microsoft controls are removed.
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fishmech posted:Screensaver files are just normal Win32 applications anyway, so it's one of those things that should be easily doable with third party software once the Microsoft controls are removed. To fully replicate the NT screensaver model you also have to run it on an isolated Desktop object. And to activate automatically you'd have to monitor for input activity in a non-intrusive way, and of course implement the broadcast to running programs to allow them to block the screensaver. Edit: Actually, reading it: quote:Screen saver functionality in Themes nielsm fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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The number of comments I've seen screaming blue murder over Paint being deprecated are just precious, and a timely reminder of why I stopped reading comments.
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Oh good because what we needed is more feature disparity between Settings and Control Panel.
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peak debt posted:Oh good because what we needed is more feature disparity between Settings and Control Panel. Currently the settings app has a link to the old screen saver control panel UI. Not like you're missing much. The real problem is that like everything else on the 'modern'side the Setting app is worse than the old Control Panel
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dissss posted:Currently the settings app has a link to the old screen saver control panel UI. Not like you're missing much. Worst part about the new Settings app for me is how they seem to be avoiding changing the top level categories and everything is jumbled as a result. System has become a catch-all for anything they weren't sure what to do with. Even if I know exactly what I want to change I have to use the search box to find it most of the time and sometimes the search function is broken for ??? reason.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The number of comments I've seen screaming blue murder over Paint being deprecated are just precious, and a timely reminder of why I stopped reading comments. Paint 3D just doesn't work right. While it adapts the canvas to the size of the clipboard contents, it does weird things to the image quality during a paste. Things get a tiny bit blurry.
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Jul 25, 2017 13:46
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otoh if Paint.Net isnt installed on your PC on the first day you're not doing anything correctly either.
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Na, everyone gets Adobe Creative Cloud.
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Combat Pretzel posted:Eh, if I want to quickly toss a screenshot to disk without requiring third party tools, it was nice. Why not use Snipping Tool?
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Jul 25, 2017 14:50
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Also Print Screen saves direct to your screenshot folder now.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Also Print Screen saves direct to your screenshot folder now. What?
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Also Print Screen saves direct to your screenshot folder now. Windows+PrintScreen does. Thanks for that, I had no idea.
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Ghostlight posted:SleepStudy is present in Windows Enterprise LTSB. Thats supposed to be something to monitor battery drain? Is it telemetry somehow?
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