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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's gonna be cool if/when Dinklage gets to actually do something this season. For such a fan favourite the last exciting Tyrion moment was like two seasons ago. I hope the Rock looks cool, it's got my favourite description of all the famous castles.
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bawfuls posted:Yeah but she's the only one who grew up a Targ and with that idea maybe normalized. Jon isn't going to find out he's a Targ and then all of a sudden be like "ok cool that means incest is chill sign me up!" He may not have a choice. My opinion is Jon and Dany getting married is where this narrative has been heading all along and it's gonna happen.
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Jul 24, 2017 20:36
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It's a Song of Ice and Fire of course it's going to happen.
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Jul 24, 2017 20:38
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I don't think it's completely absurd to read the scene as Arya realizing that the person going back to her family isn't who she is anymore. Though it'll probably confuse a lot of people if she changes her mind again and goes back south without a really silly "My wolf convinced me that I'm an instrument of vengeance now, not a Stark" scene. I saw the scene as Arya seeing her dire wolf, and realizing that Nymeria is her once pet wolf, with a pack of her own, so she couldn't go back to being the same sweet puppy that was learning to grab gloves for Arya. It was a hearkening back to the season 1 scene with her and Ned, where Ned is talking to her about being a lady, and Arya says "That's for Sansa, not for me." I also felt that Arya realizes she is like her wolf....grown up in many ways but she still needs a pack....a family. She can't BE a lone wolf... she needs a pack to be what she is...a wolf of the North. I see this as her continuing on to meet up with her "pack", her family, in Winterfell. She's been a lone wolf too long, and needs her family again, like Nymeria did with the other wolves. yes she has grown up and learned the ways of the FM, and isn't the tomboyish little sister that left Winterfell with Ned and family. But, she still needs her family. A wolf needs a pack. Arya will still be an assassin, but she will have the strength of her pack behind her. She made the choice at the Crossroads to go home, and seeing Nymeria I think made that so much more imperative to her..
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Jul 24, 2017 20:39
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Ice is Bronne's wit and fire is the herpes he gets from Dorne girl.
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Ice is a sword and will marry Thoros' sword
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Jul 24, 2017 20:47
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You know, I have to join the camp in that Theon actually made the right call. If he had rushed forward there's no way he'd not just slit her throat. It was unwinnable. I don't know if his fearful glances were misdirection or serious but simply jumping off the edge was really her best chance. gently caress even if he pulled off a miracle and saved her, where the hell were they going to go?
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Jul 24, 2017 20:51
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zoux posted:He may not have a choice.
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bawfuls posted:I agree it seems inevitable, I'm just wondering how it goes down and how Jon will come to terms with it. Or maybe the show just doesn't care. Yes, how would Jon come to terms with a powerful and hot wife and a ton of new armies and probably his very own dragon? The humanity
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bawfuls posted:I agree it seems inevitable, I'm just wondering how it goes down and how Jon will come to terms with it. Or maybe the show just doesn't care. Royals marrying close-blooded other royals isn't just in the book, it's real life and caused hemophilia and the Hapsburg Jaw and don't loving post that picture of Charles II we've all seen it. I don't know that aunt ever married nephew irl but it's been close. No one cared.
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Jul 24, 2017 20:55
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Blazing Ownager posted:Yes, how would Jon come to terms with a powerful and hot wife and a ton of new armies and probably his very own dragon?
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Jul 24, 2017 20:56
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So is Euron gonna suddenly puke blood and die at the beginning of next episode? Isn't it a pretty fast-acting poison that the Dornish always make an explicitly on-camera point to douse their weapons in? Surely they don't "only" do that right before formal duels, just to be assholes and defeat the purpose of the duel system?
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"Here put on this wig and tell me how little I know" "What?" "JUST DO IT"
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Dumb Lowtax posted:So is Euron gonna suddenly puke blood and die at the beginning of next episode? Isn't it a pretty fast-acting poison that the Dornish always make an explicitly on-camera point to douse their weapons in? Surely they don't "only" do that right before formal duels, just to be assholes and defeat the purpose of the duel system? They do it before formal battles; they don't just leave their weapons sitting in buckets of poison all the time on the off chance somebody needs stabbing.
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zoux posted:Royals marrying close-blooded other royals isn't just in the book, it's real life and caused hemophilia and the Hapsburg Jaw and don't loving post that picture of Charles II we've all seen it. Aunts may not have married nephews, but uncles married nieces for sure. Charles II had several such pairings in his family tree/web. Edit: apparently his mother was his father's niece. Yuck! PT6A fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Jul 24, 2017 21:31
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Sydin posted:So we're more or less confirmed now that Euron is basically just Ramsey 2.0, up to and including the bullshit plot armor. I can't believe there are people out there rooting for the child killer and her bad pussies, and also the goddamned greyjoys. They should've killed all of them this episode.
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Jul 24, 2017 21:33
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Theon's arc is btw don't sell out your friends to your rear end in a top hat dad. You're welcome.
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Jul 24, 2017 21:35
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Theon was right.
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NorgLyle posted:The way armies work in GoT has never made a whole lot of sense to me. In Dorne, the Sand Snakes assassinated Prince Dr Bashir and took over, I guess, and this gave them command of the Dornish houses... somehow. Off-camera, possibly, we're supposed to assume that the Dornish weren't happy with his rule and would have liked Oberyn in charge and so they jumped on board when his lover killed the prince and took over? I'm not sure. Are you saying you'd like a season of Dornish politics showing those ladies consolidating their power? It kind of seems like maybe there was a plan for more Dorne last season but they backed off after seeing how Season 5 turned out/was received.
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oldskool posted:They do it before formal battles; they don't just leave their weapons sitting in buckets of poison all the time on the off chance somebody needs stabbing. They are in a state of war, though.
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business hammocks posted:Are you saying you'd like a season of Dornish politics showing those ladies consolidating their power? It kind of seems like maybe there was a plan for more Dorne last season but they backed off after seeing how Season 5 turned out/was received. The accountants said you fucks are not spending all Summer drunk in Spain again, snow scenes bitches.
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Neon Belly posted:They are in a state of war, though. Nah, they were on a booze cruise.
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oldskool posted:They do it before formal battles; they don't just leave their weapons sitting in buckets of poison all the time on the off chance somebody needs stabbing. If Euron was poisoned, people would complain about the Sand Snakes keeping their weapons poisoned at all times for some reason.
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Neon Belly posted:They are in a state of war, though. WarState
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I can believe they didn't have time to poison up their weapons before the ambush, that stuff probably dries out so you'd need to keep it in a bottle most of the time and apply it right before a fight.Blazing Ownager posted:You know, I have to join the camp in that Theon actually made the right call. Whoever said a couple pages back they should've had him with a bow to recreate the time he saved Bran by shooting a wildling is right, even if they had to make some awkward mess of it due to his missing fingers. It would've at least felt like something he could've been able to do, Euron baiting him to take the shot and then Theon backing down. As-is it's not clear what Euron even wanted him to do. Drop his sword and surrender?
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NorgLyle posted:Similarly, I've never quite understood how Roose Bolton ended up consolidating the armies of the North after the Red Wedding. Even if people didn't know he had a hand in it, the other houses were all fired up to fight the Lannisters and support the King in the North but now that Rob is dead well we'll just go ahead and bend the knee to the same King we were in open revolt against a week ago and fight his enemies for this guy who was mysteriously not murdered along with all the other people (including our own family members) at the Twins. So any loyal houses were left divided and leaderless, and the Boltons were already more powerful than any of them individually. Also unlike Dorne we did get to see them consolidating their power, Ramsay was flaying alive any fucker who wouldn't bend the knee.
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Roose never consolidated the armies of the North. He had plans to, then Ramsay killed him.
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Did Greatjon die at the Red Wedding? His dumb kid gets punked by Tormund but what happened to dad? He seems like a casualty of the great season 3 disappearing.
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He wasn't in Season 2 either. Died in one of Robb's off-screen battles between seasons?
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How dumb do you have to be to go "oh Theon's arc was a waste" did you miss that he's totally gonna sneak onto that boat and murder the gently caress out of EVVVERRRRYYYYOOONNNNNEEEEE? All that twitching he did before he bolted was his PTSD kicking him into Manchurian Candidate Murder God mode. Jeez, even I can see this coming a mile away.
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zoux posted:Pretty sure they were going to pick them up, but Dorne's at least is going to be off the table if their sovereign is being held in King's Landing. lmao what loving soverign There's no way Illyria just took over complete wholesale control of Dorne. It should be in civil war right now. NorgLyle posted:The way armies work in GoT has never made a whole lot of sense to me. In Dorne, the Sand Snakes assassinated Prince Dr Bashir and took over, I guess, and this gave them command of the Dornish houses... somehow. Off-camera, possibly, we're supposed to assume that the Dornish weren't happy with his rule and would have liked Oberyn in charge and so they jumped on board when his lover killed the prince and took over? I'm not sure. It makes tons of sense in A Song of Ice and Fire (I know this isn't the spoil thread, sorry, but we're past the books) But the show cocked it up COMPLETELY. Dorne literally makes no sense as the show has presented it. It shouldn't happen. Roose makes more sense, he didn't really consolidate them. The Umbers and the Karstarks and stuff weren't totally loyal to him yet, remember, they later swear to Ramsay. So it was more Roose was working on that and nobody else was putting up major competition yet. Nobody bent the knee to Roose, except some tiny houses that knew he could slaughter them. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Jul 24, 2017 |
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Phi230 posted:And Maggy The Frog House of the undying didn't really have magic. Nor did Quaithe. Or Maggy. Some vague vision isn't magic. That's just being a prophet or a seer (and probably bullshit). Bran, the wargs, and bloodraven are all the same thing. That is 1 major source of magic in GOT but its basically THE only one. Magic died out on purpose when the dragons went away. Now that dragons are back its starting to come back but its not really back back. This is a major theme you guys.
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Zaphod42 posted:Bran, the wargs, and bloodraven are all the same thing. That is 1 major source of magic in GOT but its basically THE only one. Shadow demon babies and people coming back from the dead isn't magic?
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precision posted:Shadow demon babies and people coming back from the dead isn't magic? Yeah lord of light stuff counts too (although maybe arguably miracles instead, but nah I ain't about to say that) but he didn't include those in the post so I kinda overlooked them. The shadow baby was the most magic thing we've ever seen in the show period, for sure.
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Zaphod42 posted:House of the undying didn't really have magic. Nor did Quaithe. Or Maggy. Some vague vision isn't magic. That's just being a prophet or a seer (and probably bullshit). you can stop right now because the thread is convinced we're dealing with lotr levels of magic and you're not going to change their mind in a soothing voice: it's ok thread, martin's books are basically a dnd campaign with even more tits, there's plenty of magic for everyone
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Kawabata posted:you can stop right now because the thread is convinced we're dealing with lotr level of magic and you're not going to change their mind Even LOTR didn't really have that much magic when you think about it. The most magical poo poo Gandalf ever did was light some pinecones on fire and I've seen arguments that he really just used sleight of hand and technology that the hobbits didn't understand, like chemistry. The Jackson films kinda played up the wizard angle more than the books did. That said the Silmarillion makes clear he is Maiar/Istari and basically an angel-god so  Its stuff like Warcraft where magic is constantly doing everything because they were too busy with magic to invent steam or whatever that stuff gets really crazy. Or stuff like Harry Potter where there's basically zero limits on magic whatsoever. So you have people casting fireball spells every day. By comparison both GOT and LOTR are very low on magic.
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Can't wait for Davos to meet the new red priestess at Dragonstone. I'm sure it'll go well.
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Hey, they can't kill her. She kept to the terms of her exile. I really thought she was gonna take off her glamour and go back to Winterfell as Old Lady Mel.
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Zaphod42 posted:lmao what loving soverign One thing about GRRM is that I've always felt that things happened believably. I'd sacrifice some of that for more than one book a decade but oh well. And while Book!Dorne was better than Show!Dorne, that should in no way be taken as praise for Book!Dorne.
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