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Bicyclops posted:Wow, I had convinced myself that Let's Kill Hitler was a mostly okay episode with a few groanworthy moments, but it is actually terrible almost all the way through, except for when Rory punches Hitler, or that other Nazi, in the mouth. It's New Earth levels of bad. I remember River's little speech about gay Jewish weddings or whatever being moderately funny. And Rory socking Hitler then shoving him in a cupboard papers over a lot of ills, especially now.
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The concept of River Song is kind of cool. They meet each other backwards in time or whatever. But then it is handled really badly. The impossible astronaut couple of episodes are really cool but ruined by the river song plot.
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Jul 25, 2017 05:15
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Vinylshadow posted:Why do I imagine Eleven's ideal wife would be the TARDIS wearing a fez? Eleven: Meet Idris, she's the TARDIS! Amy: Did you make a wish. No seriously... did you wish REALLY HARD?
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Jul 25, 2017 05:17
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howe_sam posted:I remember River's little speech about gay Jewish weddings or whatever being moderately funny. And Rory socking Hitler then shoving him in a cupboard papers over a lot of ills, especially now. Yeah, he also punches another Nazi later, but hoo boy, the rest of it. The pacing, the way the whole thing feels like unrepentant fan fiction, the cheesiest of "I have nothing to wear!" lines... Alex Kingston just can't work with the material she's given, and she's usually pretty good. Even Matt Smith seems to get tired of the half an hour he's supposed to be dying. It's all the forced whimsy and the maudlin tuxedo posturing. It makes Bernice Summerfield and Iris Wildthyme look understated. I think the review thread had convinced me it wasn't that bad, but it is, in fact, just awful. Jerusalem posted:Eleven: Meet Idris, she's the TARDIS! Like this is the same kind of joke, in a lot of ways, as the ones they keep trying to make in Let's Kill Hitler, but it's just a great laugh line. Let's Kill Hitler is like the perfect example of how a season can sort of play all of the notes from its good episodes but play all of them sour. Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 05:23 on Jul 25, 2017 |
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Jul 25, 2017 05:21
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howe_sam posted:I remember River's little speech about gay Jewish weddings or whatever being moderately funny. And Rory socking Hitler then shoving him in a cupboard papers over a lot of ills, especially now. River has her moments, but the bad usually overshadow the good The closer she is to dying, the better off she feels as a character, meaning The Husbands of River Song and the library two-parter are arguably her best outings 
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Jul 25, 2017 05:24
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Jerusalem posted:Eleven: Meet Idris, she's the TARDIS! Amy and Rory were just the best.
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Jul 25, 2017 06:07
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howe_sam posted:Amy and Rory were just the best.
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Jul 25, 2017 06:14
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howe_sam posted:Amy and Rory were just the best. Let's Kill Hitler is rightly hated, but I do have a soft spot for: Amy: Can you ride a motorbike? Rory: I expect so... it's just that kind of day 
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Jul 25, 2017 06:20
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Is Amy and Rory the only two to be a married couple during their companionship with the Doctor? Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly end up married but that's after they left the Doctor. I guess River counted too.
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Jul 25, 2017 06:33
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toanoradian posted:Is Amy and Rory the only two to be a married couple during their companionship with the Doctor? Ian and Barbara, Ben and Polly end up married but that's after they left the Doctor. I guess River counted too. Yates and Benton
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Jul 25, 2017 08:16
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You know, if we hadn't already had the Jodie Whittaker announcement, I would have loved to see Suranne Jones as Thirteen.
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Jul 25, 2017 09:53
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She could come back, have your good old mind-switcheroo and make her the Doctor for one episode while Jodie behaves as if she's the TARDIS
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Jul 25, 2017 10:17
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The_Doctor posted:Pre-production concepts from Millennium Effects for the new Mondasian Cybermen: Oh, they're beautiful. Fantastic. Really, I've got to watch The Doctor's Wife again at some point. Everyone seems to love it but it never clicked with me at the time. Not sure why, honestly. Although it click did with my sister, who happened to see it incidentally, which I found interesting as she's not interested in Doctor Who at all.
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Jul 25, 2017 10:53
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Bits of The Doctor's Wife (pretty much all the Doctor/TARDIS conversations) just make me cry happy tears because they're so wonderfully done.
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Jul 25, 2017 11:00
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I enjoyed "The Doctor's Wife", but it is a shame Gaiman's second episode turned out like it did (i.e. not very good).
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howe_sam posted:Amy and Rory were just the best. Amy, Rory and the Dream Lord were amazing. God I loved that episode.
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Jul 25, 2017 11:24
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While I like that pre-pro Mondasian design in theory, I think it's better that they didn't stick to it. The fact we got the 'real deal' and that they worked up to that both let them do some more interesting things with the pre-conversion Patient designs (that creepy white mask especially) to try to make a very dated costume design impactful, while also giving it sort of a pedigree and a clear respect for the original series. It's also a lot better for low-key fear, the Mondasian Cybermen are less overtly terrifying and more just unnerving and wrong, that pre-production look kinda leaves too little to the imagination face-wise. Plus, like... it sort of reminds me of the hilariously bad pre-production designs for the Daleks in the Paul McGann reboot that never got off the ground. The ones that look like Quake enemies or something. It feels like it's trying too hard. EDIT: I would like to kindly request we stop talking about the Eleven/Amy seasons, because now my colossal crush on Karen Gillan is kicking in again and I want to watch every single episode with her in it.
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Jul 25, 2017 11:25
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Stabbatical posted:Really, I've got to watch The Doctor's Wife again at some point. Everyone seems to love it but it never clicked with me at the time. Not sure why, honestly. Although it click did with my sister, who happened to see it incidentally, which I found interesting as she's not interested in Doctor Who at all. Ya know, like when it died crossing universes in Series 2 or the time Davros tried to destroy it in Series 3  
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Jul 25, 2017 11:40
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I was watching some clips from "World Enough and Time" and on repeat viewing, the bit where Bill has a whacking great hole blown through her chest is a wee bit Looney Tunes, isn't it? Didn't really think about that when I saw it the first time because I was very surprised by it then, but when I knew it was coming, it was sort of distracting.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I was watching some clips from "World Enough and Time" and on repeat viewing, the bit where Bill has a whacking great hole blown through her chest is a wee bit Looney Tunes, isn't it? Didn't really think about that when I saw it the first time because I was very surprised by it then, but when I knew it was coming, it was sort of distracting. 
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Jul 25, 2017 11:56
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The Doctor's Wife is so stonkingly wonderful that it does make me weep happy tears. Suranne plays it so wonderfully and it adds so much to prior interactions. Sarah Jane: Does he still stroke bits of the TARDIS? Rose: Yeah! Yeah! He does! I’m like, “do you two wanna be alone?” Kinda confusing when supposedly Clara tells him to take the Type 40 cos he'll have more fun, when we get this: Idris: Did you ever wonder why I chose you all those years ago? The Doctor: I chose you. You were unlocked. Idris: Of course I was. I wanted to see the universe, so I stole a Time Lord and I ran away. And you were the only one mad enough. But who gives a drat really; The Doctor's Wife is a wonderful piece with great performances - Suranne, Michael Sheen, Elizabeth Berrington...
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Plavski posted:Kinda confusing when supposedly Clara tells him to take the Type 40 cos he'll have more fun, when we get this: Well I mean the idea is that the Claras are "fixing" things after the Great Intelligence has screwed around in the Doctor's timeline so basically that stuff is true and how it really happened in the Doctor's life, but then the GI did something to change it and Time Lord Clara had to just kind of nudge him back in the right direction.
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Jul 25, 2017 12:07
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Yeah that's how I always saw it too. The Doctor lived his life then died. The GI entered his personal time-stream and went back and hosed up literally every single moment of the Doctor's life running backwards (the GI was such a sperg, it's kinda great) and then Clara jumped in and set everything back to the way it originally was. Then John Hurt showed up and we got Day of the Doctor and that was best of all 
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My first viewing if Let's Kill Hitler left me only remembering the origin of River bits, which are great. None of the garbage bits properly integrated into my memory, which is probably an effect of binge watching. Honestly, the "she's named after herself" bit is a good time. Someone should create an 8 minute cut version of the episode.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah that's how I always saw it too. The Doctor lived his life then died. The GI entered his personal time-stream and went back and hosed up literally every single moment of the Doctor's life running backwards (the GI was such a sperg, it's kinda great) and then Clara jumped in and set everything back to the way it originally was. There was a pretty great novel I forget the name of now where the Doctor went to an auction during the time war for his own corpse because it could be used to reverse engineer lost time lord technologies because of his unique biodata/timestream. In the end he incinerated his own dead body so nobody could get access. Need to bring back Faction Paradox and their biodata virus. Also it was strongly hinted that the auctioneer was Drax from the final Key to Time serial 
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Box of Bunnies posted:Well I mean the idea is that the Claras are "fixing" things after the Great Intelligence has screwed around in the Doctor's timeline so basically that stuff is true and how it really happened in the Doctor's life, but then the GI did something to change it and Time Lord Clara had to just kind of nudge him back in the right direction. and somehow it's even more awful on screen than written down like that
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DancingShade posted:There was a pretty great novel I forget the name of now where the Doctor went to an auction during the time war for his own corpse because it could be used to reverse engineer lost time lord technologies because of his unique biodata/timestream. I think it's Alien Bodies. Good old Lawrence Miles.
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Jul 25, 2017 13:20
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Because of that Clara is the only companion who've seen every Doctor and is also the most important companion.
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Really every Moffat story that deals with the main storyline is dogshit, except for the ones in series 5 and 9. But Let's Kill Hitler manages to stand out from the crowd with how terrible it is.
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Jerusalem posted:Yeah that's how I always saw it too. The Doctor lived his life then died. The GI entered his personal time-stream and went back and hosed up literally every single moment of the Doctor's life running backwards (the GI was such a sperg, it's kinda great) and then Clara jumped in and set everything back to the way it originally was. The whole 'attacking The Doctor in every moment of his life at once' thing sounds like a fun idea on paper but it's just way too big of a thing to pop in the last five minutes or so of the episode. Ruining and saving the entire series backwards is a story in itself and it gets represented as a pair of montages, special effects which don't quite sell that highly abstract concept, and a twist-cliffhanger ending in a deadly location, which is half ignored anyway because Day of the Doctor (wisely) never bogged itself down with how they left the time stream (considering half of the peril was that going in was that it was irreversible and lethal and, after checking the clip, they show the entrance closing behind 11). The I guess it didn't happen anyway because Trenzalore didn't end up being The Doctor's death so eh whatever. Use it as an excuse to bring back Richard E. Grant as The Great Intelligence at some point, he does a great performance. marktheando posted:Really every Moffat story that deals with the main storyline is dogshit, except for the ones in series 5 and 9. But Let's Kill Hitler manages to stand out from the crowd with how terrible it is. Even in series 9, The Hybrid stuff was badly handled too. Clara's increasingly suicidal stunts (which I viewed as some kind of reckless grief/self-destruction in reaction to Danny having died and re-died horribly) was a really subtly done arc though.
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Fil5000 posted:I think it's Alien Bodies. Good old Lawrence Miles. Sounds about right. Great book by a good author.
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toanoradian posted:Because of that Clara is the only companion who've seen every Doctor and is also the most important companion. No, it's because of this that she's the most important 
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Jul 25, 2017 14:23
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Jerusalem posted:Then John Hurt showed up and we got Day of the Doctor and that was best of all I just watched that again the other night for the first time in ... gosh, probably two years, maybe longer, and I was stunned at how well it holds up. I mean, it still makes no loving sense to me, but it's just so much fun, even if much of Tennant's dialogue is a bit messy.
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Jul 25, 2017 14:33
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Night of the Doctor is still the best thing tho
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Jul 25, 2017 14:38
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Yeah, yeah, in 8 minutes Paul McGann outshines Tennant, Smith and Hurt's entire 77 minutes.
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Stabbatical posted:which is half ignored anyway because Day of the Doctor (wisely) never bogged itself down with how they left the time stream (considering half of the peril was that going in was that it was irreversible and lethal and, after checking the clip, they show the entrance closing behind 11). Oh poo poo, I just realized why this happened. It was really up in the air how much they were going to be able to do for the 50th anniversary special, so they set up for what was essentially the 'last resort' option where they could only get Jenna and Matt, where they'd essentially use the conceit of fixing the Doctor's timestream for a high-concept clip show. Clearly, what happened is that the plan for Day of the Doctor only fell into place fairly late, to the point where they couldn't write their way out of their contingency plan.
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Bbc America put up comicon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F48kmAYG3Gw
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Jul 25, 2017 14:58
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I think I'll have to watch the doctors wife again. It didn't jive with me the first time.
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toanoradian posted:Yeah, yeah, in 8 minutes Paul McGann outshines Tennant, Smith and Hurt's entire 77 minutes. To be fair, even FOUR minutes is ages.
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