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Whooa boy, if it'll just give us jump Crazyeyes24 fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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@SpaceWhales How much excavation is required to help restore the facility? If we assisted in excavating a large cavern around the facility, would that be enough? I'm afraid we don't have the tools and expertise readily available to strip away all the material between the facility and space, but a smaller volume just to get the ice off your exterior is likely within our capabilities. [I'm worried about fully exposing the facility to space so anyone with a telescope can see it. I'd rather just hollow out a cave around it while still keeping the surface intact.] E: I'm pretty sure it's talking about giving us grav survey sensors, not jump tech. Not yet, at least. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 22:39
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Saros: Do we have any construction battalions in the outer system that we could send for excavation work?
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Jul 26, 2017 22:45
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It's a ways down in Pluto. Considering the size of the facility, we shouldn't be saying we can help it get excavated or even make a cave around it. There's structural integrity and things to consider here.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:48
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I'm less worried about structural integrity than keeping this place secret. Not until we have better defenses anyway.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:52
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Crazyeyes24 posted:Whooa boy, if it'll just give us jump tech, now THAT would tip the balance of power something fierce. We definitely gotta keep Pluto on lockdown. Not really. This is a knife fight. Jump drives would let us run away, but not expand fast enough to be helpful until we've settled with the IC. Actually, giving away jump tech to the other factions so that they divert resources to it could only help us. If we or Earth had gotten jump drives even 5 years ago and been able to draw on the resources of a second solar system... Well, this honking huge war would probably have turned into a curb stomp.
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Jul 26, 2017 22:53
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Fray posted:Saros: Do we have any construction battalions in the outer system that we could send for excavation work? There are combat engineers at Triton and further heavy equipment taken from a IC military construction units captured off Swift-Tuttle. Saros fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 22:57
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We're in a controlling position for Pluto as long as we keep neptune. Hopefully we can also grab Uranus aswell and have joint custody of Saturn and Jupiter with earth. Question: Martian fanaticism is like the Martians from the expanse right? They REALLY want Mars to bloom. How likely is that going to go tits up the way it did in the expanse and how can we stop it?
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Jul 26, 2017 23:07
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Uh, I guess just pray that there aren't literally a thousand pre-terraformed worlds waiting unguarded on the other side of the JPs. Which is a pretty easy thing to pray for, garden worlds in Aurora are super rare in my experience. Most places need at least as much terraforming as Mars, if not more. There's just completely unliveable hellholes, and salvageable with a decade of work hellholes.
Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 23:12
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 xthetenth posted:@SpaceWhales: Without deep insight into TNE collection, mining and transport operations no assistance can be envisioned. Previous archival data on system indicates almst zero natural TNE presence and no deep survey was ever completed so detailed information is not available. Pash posted:@SpaceWhales This information can be provided to appropriate Polity representatives. Crazycryodude posted:@SpaceWhales Complete exposure to the surface would be most helpful but any excavation around the exterior would be of assistance.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:15
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Alright we need a contact team to officially get the blueprints for grav sensors and should probably start digging. So kind of the IC to provide us with heavy construction equipment beforehand. @SpaceWhales What constitutes an "appropriate Polity representative"? Wouldn't want to send them the wrong kind of ambassador Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 26, 2017 |
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Jul 26, 2017 23:21
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@spacewhales Are you an Artificial Intelligence? What kind, if so?
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Jul 26, 2017 23:22
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@spacewhale Who or what would you define as an appropriate polity representative? A politician? A military commander? A head of state? A renowned physicist?
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Jul 26, 2017 23:22
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unwantedplatypus posted:@spacewhales Back when we were first introduced, it identified itself as a logistic management AI (or whatever the exact phrase was). Definitely an AI, and specifically one built to run this facility.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:27
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LLSix posted:Not really. This is a knife fight. Jump drives would let us run away, but not expand fast enough to be helpful until we've settled with the IC. Not that it would be terribly useful right now, but it's a potent bargaining chip either to the over-crowded Terrans or the tech-hungry ICs. Possibly. Either way, we could control it's dissemination, no matter what tech they gave us.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:40
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Keep in mind that the Terrans are probably a decade ahead of us in anything related to FTL, that's kind of their obsession. They obviously don't have jump drives yet, but I bet they're getting close and even if the Space Whales granted us all the related tech from sensors to JP theory to a pre-built jump drive we'd only beat Earth by a year or two.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:42
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It would at least let us keep up with Terran tech, and allow us to focus on beefing up our own tech tree or reverse engineer what the IC have developed.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:48
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Oh, yeah, let's not turn down the free tech or anything, but it's not a magic bullet that will catapult us ahead of the other factions either.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:52
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@spacewhales: What are your views on intraspecies conflicts? By what method(s) are your leaders chosen? What rights do individuals within the collaboration have? What rights do sentient non members of the collaboration have? Since I'm currently ship less I volunteer to be the polity representative, assuming I am acceptable to the AI's criteria for a representative.
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Jul 26, 2017 23:56
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Pharnakes posted:@spacewhales: This facility holds no diplomatic views and sociological data is largely outside it's remit. Collaboration policy is set by representatives of the member species and is generally non-intervention in all matters except those pertaining to security and membership. Appropriate representatives are those empowered to represent and negotiate for a polity. Each polity is free to determine its own representatives and internal selection process.
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Jul 27, 2017 00:18
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Call CENTCOM and ask them who to send as our official representative(s).
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Jul 27, 2017 00:25
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In case Saros is/will be looking for player input on Pluto policy, here are some frameworks people can vote on or build proposals from: Lowest Rung Nothing gained from Pluto will help us in the short term to win the IC/Mars conflict, so lock it down & wait until the war is over. Put the IC POW's & scientists on ice, issue a gag order on all things Pluto, and post a scout to alert us to any further IC interest. We can play with our new toys after we crush the IC. Holyoke Send a Martian team of scientists & diplomats to Pluto, a small detachment of ships for defense, and construct a PDC or two ASAP. Tell nobody what we found, claim any IC scientific interest was a pretext for establishing an unauthorized hidden military outpost that we have now commandeered. Don't dig up the alien, since it will probably start shouting "Hello!" at anyone within range once it's not buried under miles of ice & rock. Catfish Smile Tell Earth leadership about the discovery, offer to setup a joint Earth/Mars research mission, defended by a joint Earth/Mars fleet. Claim IC knew about the alien facility and was keeping it a secret from everyone. Cross our fingers & hope they are dumb enough to shoot at Earth ships while trying to retake the site.
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Jul 27, 2017 00:29
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Wouldn t the fact that there is definitely something out there or at least was 5 million years ago create a strong impetus for all of humanity to unite to present a united front against whatever is out there? Getting all the techs and information that facility provides and then reburying it until Mars leads the solar system should be an option. That facility waited 5 million years, a few decades more shouldn t make a difference.
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Jul 27, 2017 01:28
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Hessi posted:Wouldn t the fact that there is definitely something out there or at least was 5 million years ago create a strong impetus for all of humanity to unite to present a united front against whatever is out there? Getting all the techs and information that facility provides and then reburying it until Mars leads the solar system should be an option. I misread this as us removing and transplanting the alien ruins to Mars so that we could "discover" it and lead a political unification of the system. Which is a great book idea.
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Jul 27, 2017 01:31
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Hessi posted:Wouldn t the fact that there is definitely something out there or at least was 5 million years ago create a strong impetus for all of humanity to unite to present a united front against whatever is out there? Probably not. There's some very strong tensions between all factions right now and there's no impending alien invasion or going on.
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Jul 27, 2017 01:40
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Telsa Cola posted:I misread this as us removing and transplanting the alien ruins to Mars so that we could "discover" it and lead a political unification of the system. Which is a great FTFY If there are no objections, I think I should represent the Martian fleet as my predilection for defecting to nearly any alien species proves that I'm not xenophobic.
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Jul 27, 2017 02:27
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@Spacewhales Since we're currently experiencing a inter-species conflict. Would we still be eligeble for collaboration membership? If you help us figure out gateways we can expand our mining operations in whole new systems! Then we can help you rebuild this station and seek to contact the collaboration. Question is; How patient are you? This might take years. Would you allow us to decommision this stations defense systems? It's a small solar system we're in and we're feeling uncomfortable with a unknown possibly damaged AI having dangerous weapons.
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Jul 27, 2017 02:40
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Cathode Raymond posted:FTFY @Facility You mentioned you had defensive systems and combat units in storage, there are two other factions in this system that are hostile to us, would you be willing to use those defensive systems to keep our representatives at this facility from harm should it come under assault by their forces.
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Jul 27, 2017 05:25
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Nevets posted:In case Saros is/will be looking for player input on Pluto policy, here are some frameworks people can vote on or build proposals from: Pluto started as a United Terran planet. They already know there's an alien something out here. I'm just glad Earth hasn't declared war on us over kidnapping the people they had investigating it.
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Jul 27, 2017 05:45
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LLSix posted:Pluto started as a United Terran planet. They already know there's an alien something out here. I'm just glad Earth hasn't declared war on us over kidnapping the people they had investigating it. They haven't really been given a chance to respond yet and quite possibly may not know even about it being essentially occupied by us yet. If the Terrans have even an inkling of an idea of the value of what's here, and chances are good that they have at least some suspicions, there's no way we're keeping it all to ourselves peacefully. For that matter even if they don't know anything and still consider it a fairly worthless lump of rock and ice in space, it's not like they will be happy to just hand it over, no questions asked. Hopefully they will be too distracted with their Mercury project to inquire deeply about a relatively worthless rock on the out edges of the system or can't spare resources towards until we can properly consolidate. Shanakin fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Jul 27, 2017 08:33
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Saros posted:Interstellar travel is considered impossible at this point, the fastest ships can push up to 1.5-2% of c but with absurd fuel expenditures and terrible engine reliability. Even at these speeds hundreds of years of travel would be required to even reach Alpha Centauri. It is somewhat of a Global obsession for Earth however, powered by the Director-General's daughter being one of its most vocal proponents pie-in-the-sky interstellar schemes have had access to extremely generous funding for most of the last decade. Stirring the pot further there are rumors of secret yards within shafts dug deep into the Luna bedrock and recently scientists have been scratching their heads over extremely odd Neutrino pulses from facilities in Mercury orbit. Saros posted:Inner Solar System: Saros posted:
@spacewhales, would the gateway emit odd neutrino pulses of this nature? Perhaps if it is damaged, or fails to activate? If not do you know of what could be causing such a phenomonom, I'm of particular concern of it potentially relating to a breach. I'm hypothesising here that Earth may have taken the gateway long ago, after-all, if it was just sitting in the Lagrange point it should be fairly easy for them to find, as the AI has mentioned, whether or not it could be transported is another issue.
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No the scientists were of IC origin, they were on Pluto with earth's permission since nobody thought there was anything interesting here. I doubt earth has taken the gate, if they did then I'm sure they'd have taken more of an interest in Pluto. Also where has this idea that Earth is champing at the bit to join the war on the ICs side come from? Last Saros told us I thought they were neutral, if anything a bit on our side thanks to the IC technically being the aggressors and possibly getting framed for blowing up Tempel 1. Also get in line Cathode and Cimbri, I totally called it. Pharnakes fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Pharnakes posted:No the scientists were of IC origin, they were on Pluto with earth's permission since nobody thought there was anything interesting here. I doubt earth has taken the gate, if they did then I'm sure they'd have taken more of an interest in Pluto. I think some people view Earth's reliance on IC's Sorium as the reason Earth might want to jump in. This, however, could also be viewed as a reason for them to jump in on our side as if they massed up and attacked and took Jupiter or Saturn they could fix their Sorium issue and not have to be subject to the whims of the IC.
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I don;t see that being an issue at this point. Worst case scenario we have to sell them some of ours to get them off our backs, but with how the war is going it should be relatively doable to ship sorium from Neptune to Earth. Ideally offer Earth the sorium but they have to provide the ships and any escorts, that way if the IC get frisky it will only make them piss Earth off even more.
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 Affi posted:@Spacewhales Collaboration policy is generally one of non-interference. There may some difficulty with selection of appropriate representatives due to internal conflict and in nearly all cases Species unifield into a single Polity before application for membership. Gateway construction is technologically involved beyond the level of technological sophistication you have demonstrated so far but is a non-embargoed technology so can be demonstrated and used in front of non-collaboration members. This facility had the capability to maintain and construct gateways but the majority of the relevant capabilities are degraded beyond functionality at this point. This facility is very patient. Non-Authorised access to Collaboration weaponry and technology is forbidden and will be resisted. You can be assured all AI core routines are testing stable and functional. Cimbri posted:@Facility The facility will defend itself from incursions intended to cause it harm, if your representatives are present this protection extends to them as well. Shanakin posted:@spacewhales, would the gateway emit odd neutrino pulses of this nature? Perhaps if it is damaged, or fails to activate? If not do you know of what could be causing such a phenomonom, I'm of particular concern of it potentially relating to a breach. "The primary sources of Neutrino emissions are Stars, fusion power plants and certain high-energy technological processes such as exotic matter production. Substrate breach does not normally reveal such obvious signs in all but the most extreme of cases." -------------------------------- Autoshades retires from the conversation to compose a report on the encounter so far and his impressions. The Doctor contines to discuss with the entity and over an hour has elapsed at this point. After a while he pulls her aside and asks her impressions. She is wide eyed and clearly excited. "To get down to basics I think this facility is part of a military arm of a multispecies, association, of some sort. The specifics are unclear but the roots of this alliance seem to be in a sort of extreme existential dread of... something. I do not know exactly what, the facility braches off into extradimensional incursions and entrophy breaking talk at this point I can't really follow. However it seems to really want to re-establish contact with its 'Collaboration' and strangely doesnt seem to consider or perhaps understand that the elapsed time could pose an issue for this. My understanding is that this multipecies association was around forty thousand years old at the point of lost contact but how and why appears to be lost or it does not wish to reveal the circumstances." She fixes Autoshades with a calculating look. "The Entity seems to want two things at present. Provision of raw TN resources and for us to loft a scanning system into Plutonian orbit. It seems extremely disturbed by the absence of it's 'Gateway' more than perhaps anything else about the current circumstances. I cannot emphasise this enough, it keeps looping back to this point and seems unable to believe that we did not observe its Gateway positioned at the Lagrange point. From what I have been able to discover such Gateways once established should last far longer than the facility has been here and are somehow immune from external interference and their dissolution represents a theoretical imposibility as well as never having been observed in practice." "I also would like to call in more members of my team from the surface, we are prepared for this and can investigate everything the entity says as well as making proper scientific observations. I understand the Martian government appears to have siezed control of Plutonian space and we will co-operate with whatever restrictions you wish to put into place, none of my team are patriots and over half of us are from Terra or Mars so have no particular love for the Corporate structure, they are merely a major source of funding." The Entity interrupts at this point. "Colonel, I have begun fabrication of a system to track any active gateways in the local space region but I have no ability to lift it above the encasing planetary substrate so it can perform its tasks. Any assistance you can provide in this matter would be appreciated." Autoshades considers then asks to view the 'scanning' system first. The entity responds with directions and an offer of guidance to the fabrication facility which as it turns out is about a kilometer away from their current location. Autoshades directs a Marine squad to enter, follow directions and report back.  A short time later they report back. From the transmitted images from their suits it certainly looks like a scanning device of some sort as various tentacles build a strange circular lattice about four meters across.  Vote time: Do we;
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Jul 27, 2017 19:49
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Guys. IC stealth tech. Gravatic survey sensors. What do we think the likely interaction is?
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Jul 27, 2017 19:55
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I vote for help the Entity and allow the scientists to assemble on the conditions that any and all of their reports or transmissions must go through Martian oversight before leaving even the installation.
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Jul 27, 2017 20:03
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Saros posted:Allow the Doctor to assemble her team and investigate the entity/facility or hold off until scientists can be brought from Mars. Saros posted:[*]Cooperate with the Entity by lofting its 'scanner' into Pluto orbit.[/list]
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Jul 27, 2017 20:07
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I vote we let the scientists do their science thing but we trade with the AI in return for helping it. Let's not be stupid about it, or rude. All we want is access to review whatever it is we're putting into space, blueprints so that we can make sure it isn't harmful. And access to the station so we can be sure to keep humanity safe. Also ask it to not show itself to the rest of the solar system because it might trigger a violent response from others. (These simple requests will give us insight into new technologies and a degree of control of the station)
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Did that SB jamming tech make it out to Pluto with the rest of the group? If so I'm fine with letting the Doctor assemble her team and lifting the thing out, after the Saturn Raid. Just search the scientists and their facility for any communications stuff and jam anything they try to send out without permission.
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