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Pollyanna posted:Is this the kind of thing that a web developer isn't really useful for, and if so, what would I need to do to gain these skills and start qualifying for these positions? I see a lot of positions opening up for machine learning/data science around my area, and I want to get in on the field. Pollyanna posted:Just had a phone screen for a UI/front-end engineer position where the first question that was asked was "how much linear algebra do you know?". Are you applying and/or stating an interest for machine learning jobs?
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b0lt posted:Are you applying and/or stating an interest for machine learning jobs? Stating an interest in it, but the position was for UI/front-end work. I didn't expect this one to be of that nature, but the company I was going to interview for is why I asked - I got curious.
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Jul 28, 2017 22:41
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Pollyanna posted:Stating an interest in it, but the position was for UI/front-end work. I didn't expect this one to be of that nature, but the company I was going to interview for is why I asked - I got curious. If you put this interest on your resume, yeah, don't be surprised to be asked. I would ask that too. Why? Because I too like Mathematics (though not linear algebra in particular), and would be curious/interested to have an intelligent conversation on the topic with someone. And maybe they have machine learning ideas for later on, when (even for UI work) knowledge of the subject helps.
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Volguus posted:If you put this interest on your resume, yeah, don't be surprised to be asked. I would ask that too. Why? Because I too like Mathematics (though not linear algebra in particular), and would be curious/interested to have an intelligent conversation on the topic with someone. And maybe they have machine learning ideas for later on, when (even for UI work) knowledge of the subject helps. I suppose I should eat crow over this. I don't claim it as a skill, but an interest, but I should probably have the words to back it up. Maybe I should finally crack open that book on ML...
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Jul 28, 2017 23:04
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If ML is something you're interested in enough that you're actively learning about it and can speak intelligently about the concepts then it's fine on your resume. If ML is something you're interested in because it sounds cool and maybe you'd like to learn it some day don't put it on your resume. Edit: actually, unless you've actually built something that uses ML I would've put it on your resume Jose Valasquez fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Jul 28, 2017 23:19
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Yeah, the "interests" section of your resume is where you put stuff that you dabble in. If there's something you want to learn, put that in your precis/opening statement, or else leave it off the resume entirely.
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Jul 28, 2017 23:29
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There's nothing about it on my resume - from what I can tell, it was an offhanded comment about it to a recruiter, and apparently it factored into a company's decision re: hiring a front-end developer. 
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Jul 28, 2017 23:30
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I have an interview in NYC next week. I'm on the hunt for figgies and the job title I've officially applied to has Senior in front of it, but I've only been in the industry a couple years. What should I say when they ask how much money I'm looking for?
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Jul 29, 2017 00:10
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Pollyanna posted:There's nothing about it on my resume - from what I can tell, it was an offhanded comment about it to a recruiter, and apparently it factored into a company's decision re: hiring a front-end developer. I've heard stories about recruiters "updating" resumes without anyone's consent. He/she heard you like rockets? You better be sure you have "rocket scientist" written in the resume that the recruiter provides to companies.
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Ploft-shell crab posted:I have an interview in NYC next week. I'm on the hunt for figgies and the job title I've officially applied to has Senior in front of it, but I've only been in the industry a couple years. What should I say when they ask how much money I'm looking for? Don't answer, let them make an offer. What industry?
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Jul 29, 2017 00:23
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lifg posted:Don't answer, let them make an offer. Financial. So I'd say something along the lines of "I'm looking for competitive pay for this area & industry" when they ask?
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For what it's worth, I took the Andrew Ng machine learning intro course years ago, got the certificate, got a 99.9% (as if anyone cares for a MMOC right?) and nobody has ever asked about that in any of my interviews. Almost everyone that went to school for an engineering degree took linear algebra and anyone that hasn't should know some basics like wtf matrices, vectors and operations on these things can be like dot products, cross products, addition, multiplication, and determinants. I don't think they should be asking for things like Eigenvectors, Eigenspaces, and how to compute Markov Chains unless you're actually going to be doing machine learning work (and specifically for problems where that's relevant like HMMs or SVMs).
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necrobobsledder posted:Almost everyone that went to school for an engineering degree took linear algebra and anyone that hasn't should know some basics like wtf matrices, vectors and operations on these things can be like dot products, cross products, addition, multiplication, and determinants. I don't think they should be asking for things like Eigenvectors, Eigenspaces, and how to compute Markov Chains unless you're actually going to be doing machine learning work (and specifically for problems where that's relevant like HMMs or SVMs). They...didn't do that for my major (biomedical engineering). It was a very lovely degree for many reasons, so I'm not surprised I didn't get to learn something I should have learned.
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Jul 29, 2017 01:24
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Ploft-shell crab posted:Financial. Do some research for your title and company, and the local competition, on Glassdoor. It's not perfect but it'll give you the ballpark numbers to think about. Don't talk about salary until after the interview, when they've decided they want you. Then, when they offer you the job, you say you're looking for a competitive salary. If you lose your nerve, give a number in the upper end of the ballpark, and stop talking. They will scoff, and you will give three reasons why your skill set is amazingly well suited to the problems they have, repeat that you are worth xx dollars, and again stop talking. It's okay to negotiate from here. (But Jesus, for fintech in NYC I'd be surprised if you don't get mid-six figures.)
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Jul 29, 2017 01:28
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Ploft-shell crab posted:Financial. How many years of experience do you have? I have 3 and I'm in ad-tech and I'm around 130k total comp. You should expect $150k at the minimum.
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How much experience are you expected to have once you hit ~3 years of professional work? I'm gonna be coming up on 3 years soon and I still feel as useless as I did when I got my first real job. Doesn't help that I've gotten very complacent in my current job, which doesn't offer much growth potential. How do you stay sharp and keep your skills up to date? Simply continuing to work isn't good enough, especially when you're at a job that boils down to menial/trivial work or is heavily scoped to a particular technology.
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Jul 29, 2017 18:02
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Your dilemma is one shared by many that are working day-to-day on non-cutting edge stuff - you will have to work on projects outside work or try to get yourself off of projects that do not give you much return on your career. The most sure-fire way about this is to make sure you stick to a bare minimum amount of work while still keeping yourself employed and to consider your primary job your side projects that do offer more lucrative work. A lot of companies won't care about your side projects though and will have wanted you to have used something in production (this is more important if you're on the operations side of the house than development, but this attitude may spread more to developers, who knows?). In that case, you will have to find yourself a job where a company's more forward-thinking and matches the tech stack that will move your career forward.
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Jul 29, 2017 18:47
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necrobobsledder posted:Your dilemma is one shared by many that are working day-to-day on non-cutting edge stuff - you will have to work on projects outside work or try to get yourself off of projects that do not give you much return on your career. The most sure-fire way about this is to make sure you stick to a bare minimum amount of work while still keeping yourself employed and to consider your primary job your side projects that do offer more lucrative work. A lot of companies won't care about your side projects though and will have wanted you to have used something in production (this is more important if you're on the operations side of the house than development, but this attitude may spread more to developers, who knows?). In that case, you will have to find yourself a job where a company's more forward-thinking and matches the tech stack that will move your career forward. The latter approach is what I'm trying to do. I want to get involved in more interesting fields and tech stacks, which is where my interest in back-end. Unfortunately, since I've been doing React monkey work for the past six months, that's all that I get matched up with by recruiters - front-end work that I only really do for the money. I care about doing it well, sure, but for many reasons it's not where I want my career to go. This means that I only get matched up with companies looking for UI engineers, not companies who want to hire people for back-end or applications or the interesting poo poo. It's partly my fault, cause that's what I'm doing right now, but it also means that companies and recruiters don't take me seriously when I say I want to work in a particular field or with a particular tech stack. It's looking like there's no way around self-learning for this - my day job is going to have to take a back seat.
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IMO: If you're trying to find a forward thinking company that bets on you instead of wrecking your nights and weekends for an extended period of time developing yourself, be ready to relocate across the country. Good pay, desperation, and big bets with investment are probably gonna be more common in California. Mayyyyyyyybe NYC.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:IMO: If you're trying to find a forward thinking company that bets on you instead of wrecking your nights and weekends for an extended period of time developing yourself, be ready to relocate across the country. Good pay, desperation, and big bets with investment are probably gonna be more common in California. Mayyyyyyyybe NYC. I'm in Boston, which is close enough. That said, maybe it is time to think about moving around.
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Pollyanna posted:I'm in Boston, which is close enough. That said, maybe it is time to think about moving around. I've jumped between coasts a few times and definitely don't regret it.
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On the other hand, cross-country moves are terrible, and there's something to be said for not doing them too often. Pick a coast and try to stay there. If you really have no preferences, then San Francisco/Seattle/LA probably wins out over the east coast, but you likely have reasons to stay on the east coast too.
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I can't imagine what moving multiple peoples' poo poo across country feels like. Moving two across town kills me. I'll probably find out in a few years unless I can land a sweet remote gig though because the wells pretty dry for interesting dev work around here that pays worth a drat.
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The key to moving across the country is to not bring your stuff along.
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Or to have a corporation pay for the whole move.
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Having made the coast/coast drive in each direction, pay someone to move all your poo poo and fly there.
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Good Will Hrunting posted:How many years of experience do you have? I have 3 and I'm in ad-tech and I'm around 130k total comp. You should expect $150k at the minimum. I have a little less than a year and a half of experience(  ) & Glassdoor says this position tops out at 125k base. I feel absolutely insane asking for that kind of money at this point in my career, but I do have good experience with their stack so I don't know. There's at least a 12k/year COL increase for rent alone though, which hopefully I can use for leverage. I think my plan is going to be to not say a number and see what they say.
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Ploft-shell crab posted:I have a little less than a year and a half of experience( I say for that area and field, 125k is perfectly reasonable to ask for. Get dat money. I on the other hand still have trouble asking for 110k 
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metztli posted:With any online rating system I find it's only worth reading the bottom half of ratings/reviews This is based on the idea that happy reviews are either fake or will all be the same if genuine, while unhappy will mostly be unhappy about different things. If they don't have any bad reviews at all, I pass. Ah, the Glassdoor Karenina principle. "Happy reviews are all alike; every unhappy review is unhappy in its own way."
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fantastic in plastic posted:Or to have a corporation pay for the whole move. You haven't lived until you had the packers pack up your pantry so at the other end you find a few expired cans that were hiding in the back and you toss after it's 3300mi move.
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Hughlander posted:You haven't lived until you had the packers pack up your pantry so at the other end you find a few expired cans that were hiding in the back and you toss after it's 3300mi move. I realised that my emergency marmite had expired several moves ago, which is quite difficult to do.
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Jaded Burnout posted:I realised that my emergency marmite had expired several moves ago, which is quite difficult to do. What kind of emergency demands marmite?
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fantastic in plastic posted:What kind of emergency demands marmite? "I need to make a sandwich and goddamnit I've got nothing in the house to put on it"
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I'm applying for a job at a company in NYC but I live in St Louis, they say you can workremote or in the NYC office and that half the team works remote. In this type of situation, are they going to try to offer me a St Louis salary, or a NYC salary? I have 3 years experience.
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Doghouse posted:I'm applying for a job at a company in NYC but I live in St Louis, they say you can workremote or in the NYC office and that half the team works remote. In this type of situation, are they going to try to offer me a St Louis salary, or a NYC salary? I have 3 years experience. This makes me curious, too. Aside from the general trend against remote work that companies are following, I'm not sure that compensation is a solved problem, either. What happens when someone in Georgia works remotely for a company in Silicon Valley, or vice versa? What happens when someone in Boston works for a European company?
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Pollyanna posted:How much experience are you expected to have once you hit ~3 years of professional work? I'm gonna be coming up on 3 years soon and I still feel as useless as I did when I got my first real job. Doesn't help that I've gotten very complacent in my current job, which doesn't offer much growth potential. How do you stay sharp and keep your skills up to date? Simply continuing to work isn't good enough, especially when you're at a job that boils down to menial/trivial work or is heavily scoped to a particular technology. I broadened up a lot working for small companies where you can't specialize too much because they need their handful of devs to do everything. Downsides, if you see it that way, are that you're also ops and maybe also sysadmin. Oh and on-call support, probably, unless their business isn't 24/7 service oriented, which is probably rare.
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Munkeymon posted:I broadened up a lot working for small companies where you can't specialize too much because they need their handful of devs to do everything. Downsides, if you see it that way, are that you're also ops and maybe also sysadmin. Oh and on-call support, probably, unless their business isn't 24/7 service oriented, which is probably rare. From what I've seen, these small companies typically need developers with more experience and clout behind them, as a way of ensuring whoever they hire can handle the workload at their size. At least, that's the impression I get from feedback like "we're looking for somebody who has more experience because we're small and move fast and can't take on junior devs", so maybe I'm missing something/they're throwing shade.
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Pollyanna posted:From what I've seen, these small companies typically need developers with more experience and clout behind them, as a way of ensuring whoever they hire can handle the workload at their size. At least, that's the impression I get from feedback like "we're looking for somebody who has more experience because we're small and move fast and can't take on junior devs", so maybe I'm missing something/they're throwing shade. Yeah, I forgot who I was replying to, heh. I lucked out, in a way, on my second job and landed at a small company that was OK with me learning on the job and I did learn a lot, but on my own/as I had to. I also learned a lot about how not to do... just about everything, at that place, but you can check my post history in the horrors thread for that stuff.
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Munkeymon posted:Yeah, I forgot who I was replying to, heh. I lucked out, in a way, on my second job and landed at a small company that was OK with me learning on the job and I did learn a lot, but on my own/as I had to. I also learned a lot about how not to do... just about everything, at that place, but you can check my post history in the horrors thread for that stuff. I'm gonna guess that most people aren't in my position by 3 years in.  I don't dislike smaller places, but they need to be compelling. Smaller companies and startups need to first prove to me that their product or service is worthwhile and a good idea in the first place before I'll work there. I see a lot of startups out there with just plain pointless crap. Maybe I'm just picky. Luck got me here in the first place, I guess it's getting me everywhere else too.
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