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Avenging_Mikon posted:Don't defend outlet fucker, his analogy is poo poo. "All Taxation is theft!" --Bongwizzard, probably
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Iron Crowned posted:"All Taxation is theft!" I'm betting it's more like "Don't tax the job creators, tax the worthless shits sucking up all the resources from companies."
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You'd be surprised what a difference just being able to get, like, a free fountain soda or coffee while on the clock can make. It's not much, and you can't feed a family on free fountain sodas while at work, but just being able to grab a drink at a place that supplies drinks and not have to worry about getting another employee to ring you up and getting a receipt and poo poo can go a way in making a shift more tolerable. When you start charging employees for hot water, even if they brought a mug and tea from home, that's a real morale tanker.
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Jul 31, 2017 20:03
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At Twitch they offer free catered meals all day. Work for Twitch I guess.
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Jul 31, 2017 20:09
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Iron Crowned posted:"hyperbole presented as fact is dumb and makes your argument less convincing!" I do think sales taxes on food and other staples are dumb and I suspect a reliance on tobacco taxes are gonna hurt a bunch of states pretty soon, but otherwise I guess they are ok? I do get a little cranky about people selling lovely unaged whisky and calling it moonshine, if you pay tax on it, it isn't moonshine ! These are most of my thoughts about taxes.
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SpacePig posted:You'd be surprised what a difference just being able to get, like, a free fountain soda or coffee while on the clock can make. It's not much, and you can't feed a family on free fountain sodas while at work, but just being able to grab a drink at a place that supplies drinks and not have to worry about getting another employee to ring you up and getting a receipt and poo poo can go a way in making a shift more tolerable. When you start charging employees for hot water, even if they brought a mug and tea from home, that's a real morale tanker. Over the years I've noticed this is where companies begin to rot, they start taking the "fun" parts out because they're not easily quantifiable in profit. It's like no longer oiling a machine, sure it'll continue to run, but you're going to have it break down more often.
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Jul 31, 2017 20:11
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I'm pretty sure half of the R&D and process development teams would just straight up die if we stopped getting free coffee from the coffee machine at my work place
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Jul 31, 2017 20:13
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Andrast posted:I'm pretty sure half of the R&D and process development teams would just straight up die if we stopped getting free coffee from the coffee machine at my work place I've probably mentioned this in this very thread, but when I worked at AT&T they took away our free coffee and put in a vending machine. On a floor with coders and programmers. They wouldn't even allow personal coffee makers in the break room because they guaranteed the company with the vending machines a monopoly.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I've probably mentioned this in this very thread, but when I worked at AT&T they took away our free coffee and put in a vending machine. On a floor with coders and programmers. I'm pretty sure we would no joke go on strike if that happened
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Jul 31, 2017 20:21
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Krispy Kareem posted:I've probably mentioned this in this very thread, but when I worked at AT&T they took away our free coffee and put in a vending machine. On a floor with coders and programmers.  yeah, if your company runs on unchecked capitalism, this is what happens, but drat that's a petty one.
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Iron Crowned posted:
It lasted about a month because everyone stole the paper cups that came with the vending machine and created fire hazards hiding coffee makers in their cubes. They never did bring back the free coffee, but they at least let people put personal machines in the break room. AT&T is a terrible company.
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Jul 31, 2017 20:34
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Mu Zeta posted:At Twitch they offer free catered meals all day. Work for Twitch I guess. This is so you will work longer hours and have no life outside of work. 
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Platystemon posted:This is so you will work longer hours and have no life outside of work. Yep same reason so many silicon valley companies have gyms and poo poo, so you never leave the campus
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SpacePig posted:You'd be surprised what a difference just being able to get, like, a free fountain soda or coffee while on the clock can make. It's not much, and you can't feed a family on free fountain sodas while at work, but just being able to grab a drink at a place that supplies drinks and not have to worry about getting another employee to ring you up and getting a receipt and poo poo can go a way in making a shift more tolerable. When you start charging employees for hot water, even if they brought a mug and tea from home, that's a real morale tanker. I can also attest to this, though I work for the government. Our manager brought in kuerigs, snack foods, we have had like 10 potlucks and parties so far this year, and sometimes he just surprises us with food he cooked or bought himself (like just going "i'll get you guys some chickens" and bringing back two whole roast chickens). The team has a storage trunk that's just food and drink supplies. We joke around constantly, and the whole team loves working under him, even if our work itself is pretty monotonous. Treating employees like people, and even like family in our case, works wonders.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I've probably mentioned this in this very thread, but when I worked at AT&T they took away our free coffee and put in a vending machine. On a floor with coders and programmers. I know the thinking behind this is "We'll get money from XYZ Coffee Distributors if the only option employees have is to pay for XYZ Coffee at work", but in what universe did this seem to anybody like a good idea? Putting in a vending machine is one things, but banning coffee makers altogether is a whole other level of  .
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But you don't understand, those personal coffee pots eat into our profit margins. Those employees are basically stealing our coffee racket money 
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Krispy Kareem posted:It lasted about a month because everyone stole the paper cups that came with the vending machine and created fire hazards hiding coffee makers in their cubes. They never did bring back the free coffee, but they at least let people put personal machines in the break room. We had a coffee maker in the hallway right smack in the center of the office, but the four people who use it the most snuck it (along with all the coffee and sugar/creamer) back into their own room during a rearranging of furniture.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:24
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HerStuddMuffin posted:But you don't understand, those personal coffee pots eat into our profit margins. Those employees are basically stealing our coffee racket money Yeah that is some "company store" level bullshit.
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HerStuddMuffin posted:But you don't understand, those personal coffee pots eat into our profit margins. Those employees are basically stealing our coffee racket money We're barely making ends meet as it is because those strongarming communist employees expect money for their labors, the least they can do is let us monetize their basic needs! btw we're going to start charging you ticket prices to get into the building in the morning
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davidspackage posted:We're barely making ends meet as it is because those strongarming communist employees expect money for their labors, the least they can do is let us monetize their basic needs! Well, we were charged for parking also.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:44
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I can't believe most companies still operate free bathrooms. It must be some sort of socialist government regulation.
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HerStuddMuffin posted:I can't believe most companies still operate free bathrooms. It must be some sort of socialist government regulation. If there weren't worker's rights laws on the book, you can be drat sure that any and every company would charge its employees to use the bathrooms as well as dock them for the time spent in there.
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SpacePig posted:I know the thinking behind this is "We'll get money from XYZ Coffee Distributors if the only option employees have is to pay for XYZ Coffee at work", but in what universe did this seem to anybody like a good idea? Putting in a vending machine is one things, but banning coffee makers altogether is a whole other level of Why would you take away the only legal, performance-enhancing stimulant that is guaranteed to improve your staff's output at zero cost to yourself? Unless you've got meth in the staff canteen, you're hurting your own efficiency.
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Relevant to all these lovely employer stories, check out this thread, especially from about page 3 onwards, for a goon losing their poo poo trying to defend their right not to pay people for doing work.
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Olive Garden tonight! posted:Relevant to all these lovely employer stories, check out this thread, especially from about page 3 onwards, for a goon losing their poo poo trying to defend their right not to pay people for doing work. The closest we came to that was with a pair of contractors who were caught on camera slacking off and just wandering around the office eating the snacks from the kitchen instead of working. Their paychecks were temporarily held while the amount of actual work they performed were looked into. We normally try to pay contractors weekly so they get steady income (we legally don't need to pay them on such a fast schedule and are just trying to be nice), but the owner saw them not actually working and flipped out that they would get paid for nothing. Well, it turns out one of them had told her parents that she had a guaranteed weekly paycheck and they decided to spend a fuckton of money thinking she would cover it. We probably would have released the pay if she told us that they were hurting for money for bills and we've done stuff like that a number of times, but she instead decided that the sensible reaction was to try and blackmail us. She quit before I could fire her, and then she brought her mom to yell at me in the parking lot while I gave her the last check.
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At my part-time job the weekend security guards are contracted out from a company so the normal security guard can have his weekends off. The managers have had to send a few of them home and call the company in complaint because they weren't doing their jobs properly. My favourite was the guy who kept getting caught on his phone but then claimed "I've been ringing my manager to find out where the toilets are in this supermarket"
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The problem's been accelerated over the last few decades by corporate types increasingly favoring shareholder-centered theory- i.e., the idea that your chief and really only significant obligation is to lawfully provide a return on investment to people who own company stock- over stakeholder theory, where you're supposed to at least slightly consider other people who have an interest in the company's survival, i.e. the people you employ, the consumers who benefit from whatever it is you produce, etc. Hence companies started downsizing during times of record profits, because those profits could be even higher and we're stealing from our shareholders if we don't maximize their investment! Shareholder theory does allow for "enlightened self interest" and long term thinking and all that, but the increased pressure to look at the stock price and only the stock price has, realistically, resulted in a lot of destructive behavior.
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I worked in a restaurant that let you take $.50 out of your weekly paycheck so you could drink as many fountain drinks as you'd like while working. Or you could opt it. It just comes off so petty.
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Krispy Kareem posted:It lasted about a month because everyone stole the paper cups that came with the vending machine and created fire hazards hiding coffee makers in their cubes. I interpreted this as people stole the paper cups and used them to create the fire-hazard-coffee-maker-hiding-spots. Please confirm.
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spog posted:Why would you take away the only legal, performance-enhancing stimulant that is guaranteed to improve your staff's output at zero cost to yourself? Because you know these people probably need coffee, and are probably stuck in the office. So why provide it for free or let them make their own when you can profit from their misery? Unctuous Cretin posted:I worked in a restaurant that let you take $.50 out of your weekly paycheck so you could drink as many fountain drinks as you'd like while working. Or you could opt it. Again, I know it's a question of profits, but the cost of a single fountain drink or cup of coffee, or even a week's worth of them for each employee on shift, would be such a loving minuscule drop in the bucket that it still baffles me that an place that provides either of those won't let working employees drink it. Just give them this small pleasure it what is almost certainly a miserable minimum wage job. I keep forgetting this isn't either of the retail threads. Whoops.
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EmmyOk posted:At my part-time job the weekend security guards are contracted out from a company so the normal security guard can have his weekends off. The managers have had to send a few of them home and call the company in complaint because they weren't doing their jobs properly. My favourite was the guy who kept getting caught on his phone but then claimed "I've been ringing my manager to find out where the toilets are in this supermarket" When we had security on weekends, the boss came in one day and found the guard having sex with his girlfriend on top of a bed he'd made out of scrap cardboard and a sleeping bag.
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Well I've been pretty thoroughly trounced with that anecdote. Anyways an old classic  His identity was stolen about 13 times and then the FTC fined the company 12 million dollars for deceptive advertising.
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My last job was in a nursing home, and management said that they didn't want us caregivers drinking any juice from the fountain machine in the kitchen because it was "stealing from the residents". None of the kitchen staff cared at all, they threw out gallons of the stuff everyday, so I never got in trouble for ducking back there for a glass of cranberry juice. For a while, they did refuse to serve us leftovers. That changed when they fired the kitchen manager who had been there for over 40 years. After that all the cooks started handing out plates of food to the rest of the staff instead of just tossing it.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I've probably mentioned this in this very thread, but when I worked at AT&T they took away our free coffee and put in a vending machine. On a floor with coders and programmers. I'm not a programmer or whatever, but it seems like they have enough bargaining power that they could just tell them to take this job and shove it. Isn't an actually good programmer highly valued on the labor market? Even from the point of long-term profits it's not a good idea to treat your employees like poo poo as the good ones will just leave.
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I worked in an office for one of the biggest companies in the world. We mainly worked night and late shift because we were doing a lot of international stuff in other time zones. Every cup of coffee cost 30 cent... So you had the choice to try to stay awake working overtime till 9:00am without coffee or give back a couple of bucks every week to your glorious company overlords for providing you with stimulants. At least it was this way till I discovered that they never disabled the maintenance menu or change the default PIN on the machine. 0000 gets you a lot of free coffee! I now work at a much smaller company that provides free carbonated water and coffee to every employee. Because they realized that having tired dehydrated workers is not a great thing for productivity. Who could have known!
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In these offices/workplaces that make you pay for hot water, don't allow coffee machines etc.: What is their policy on bathroom breaks? Coz there is no greater joy than taking a piss and getting paid for it, (especially if it's on a Sunday or an overtime shift so you are getting penalty rates). Surely, even in America it is illegal to not let your employees relieve themselves.
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Lifehack: you don't have to pay for hot water if you produce it with your own body!
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BrigadierSensible posted:In these offices/workplaces that make you pay for hot water, don't allow coffee machines etc.: What is their policy on bathroom breaks? Only adhered to because there's literal laws requiring it, and even then companies probably break those every chance they get. American companies treat their employees with zero loyalty and try to extract every possible cent from them with no regard for their well-being beyond the bare minimum, and then are shocked and offended when said employees don't display a feudal knight's loyalty to them.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Only adhered to because there's literal laws requiring it, and even then companies probably break those every chance they get. I often wonder that if someone came to the US from, say somewhere in the Nordics, and set up a large business but with the philosophy of treating their staff well, whether they would be a huge commercial success. Like how Google got a reputation as a great place to work because they didn't charge for candy or soda and had foosball tables in the breakrooms.
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